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Actually there is. Jewish women are not “girls off the street”. We are an Am Hanivchar, an especial unique nation with higher standards. Es passt nisht. We behave as prices and princesses.
some people are not shomer nekamah
I’m just about over doing. Iv’e been doing all day.
Quitter?!?
I’d say you’re a brave, courageous, intelligent person. Someone strong enough to stand up for principles and priorities. There aren’t too many of that model these days….
????? ???? ?? ???!!
Mazel Tov to you Syag!! (Welcome to the club)
Email her a link to this thread!!
Oooohhhh
Such good times we had years ago…. Where’s everyone today?!?
YourNsmeIsSecretNoMore
There are things she should be wary of that can ruin more than Shidduchim. At times people’s priorities become warped (supposing this thread is not a troll, which I surely hope it is).
Again, to the OP, I don’t know you, nor do I care to. If you’re a Bas Yisroel, a coreligionist, I call out to you to take much caution… it’s a wild ride out there… There’s a lot, a lot you don’t understand, comprehend, cannot fathom.. DON’T BE SORRY LATER.
If your own juvenile, innocent intuition has not alerted you yet, or maybe too overwhelmed by transient, temporal glitter), take it from those more experienced…
Barry:
Some may be waiting for Moshiach to make the move. For some it’s not practical, or things may not work out. Rabbi Miller zatzal was against the move unless one was assured of a financial support system/stability. Of course things have changed since… but still there are a lot of considerations before one can actually make the move.
To those that were zoche and actually live there now.. Ashreichem! They’re privileged to be living in the King’s vicinity, palace! It comes, of course with a certain responsibility, a more sublime standard of living… but at the end of the day, it’s all worth it.
I was zoche just recently to spend three weeks in E.Y., while marrying off our son ?”?. I come there quite often, but never yet spend such a long span of time, nor took my whole family along.
Don’t take it from some of these people. ???? ???? ???? ????!!! Fascinating!! Both in Ruchnius and Gashmius!! Such beautiful places to visit.. so different. And all so (relatively) close!
I wrote about it in another thread. What I noticed about the people is they’re totally BUSY. From the morning (early morning) till night. There’s no lazying out there. Those who spend their time learning are (mostly) doing it with a zest, putting in full hours.. producing.. productive. See how many new seforim and pamphlets come out there.. Avodas HaShem like no where else. Then at the other end, those who are not engaged in this holy task, are at least being busy, productive, fulfilling, industrious. Everything there is fast paced.. the language (if one can follow..) ten miles opps I mean kilometers a minute).
A most unique land, for a most unique nation!!
To the OP:
Tell me you’re just trolling (from the wording of the question), you’re not actually gonna be there…
GET REAL.. use Bina Yeseira HaShem gave to womenfolk – for this purpose – to see things through. Use your unbiased intuition and DON’T feel sorry c”v later. If one shouldn’t trust one’s OWN Yetzer, how much more someone else’s!!! What does the Mishna say about the level of Yiras Shamaim of doctors in general???
Regardless of the Psak of your Rabbi or Rov, I say take extreme care, and again, don’t be sorry c”v later..
continue.. If you don’t have seichel… then what??? (it’s nogea)
yeah.. that’s how we were packed into those 4.5 square inches our family was allotted to in economy section.
Oh.. you have feet? No. You must pay for a seat in business class..
I carpool about a minyan of women every day, Frogette gets on the first and leaves last. On the rare occasion she as a need to get off earlier, I have no problem continuing on with them, it’s broad daylight. They are of the more edele kind and more often opt to get off earlier.
Personally, I would stop, in daytime hours, for any woman at need enough to request a ride of me. It does not happen that often at all, but has happened, especially older ones at a need to get somewhere quick.
-my two aguros
My son got married here in EY last week. It was B”H a gorgeous chasuna. So many people I knew & didn’t. IY”H by all of you – simchos bkorov and lots of nachas from your children.
RY, you repeated yourself quite a few times in that post.. Could have narrowed it down to one sentence.
I wanted to write earlier, before my eyes drooped…
Sometimes teens forget the Mitzvah in the Torah ??? ?? ???? ??? ???. They’ll run around doing “mitzvohs”, segulos, farfrumte etc. while neglecting this one special mitzvah. In seforim it’s brought down that it’s part of / rooted in hakaras hatov and that is for just the very single act of bringing him / her into the world of opportunity. ?????, for that alone it’s worth all the thanks and reciprocation.
Then add to that what most parents do for their children (as outlined in the ?????? on Shavuos) and this Mitzvah will take on another meaning.
But even without all this – it’s an explicit Mitzvah in the Torah, we do because HaShem told us to do. ????? ????? ?????. An eved HaShem will do all His commandments with a fervor and geshmack!!
It’s a hard Mitzvah, especially for teens, because it involves parents whom teens may not always see eye to eye (putting it mildly) and even for others, because it involves another, a close relative who is at times on a different page… ??? ???”? ?? ??????? ?? ???????, HaShem takes all this into account… it’s call the hardest of the hardest mitzvah… there’s also the greatest reward for it, in this world and in the next ????? ????? ????? ???.
Mrs. D;
Totally agree with you.
From the wording (and s/n) of the OP, it’s quite obvious she’s the teenage child. Possibly letting off some seam here. Venting her frustration, anger or etc..
How interesting…
We just made a Chasuna B”H, here, in Eretz Yisroel. Still can’t believe we pulled this thing through… Chasadim Tovim constantly from Hakadish Boruch Hu, at every turn…
Our mechutanim requested the Kesuba reading and chose to give most of the Brachos to our side.. including the last one.
Sorry CA, got a bit busy these days… my son is IY”H and b’ezras HaShem (you better bet so) getting married in Eretz Yisroel…
I heard that from my Rosh Yeshiva some time ago. (that’s giving away I was once actually in a Yeshiva – what I did there? – no comment)
IY”H Besuros Tovos by all!! Lots and lots of Simchos, Yeshuos Brachos for all…
And the answer I heard about that was that a father has the ENTIRE picture in mind, he will do what is beneficial for his son. As in the shmooze I heard – a mother will give her son poison if he begs too much. So a father will have the real, total rachmanus of his child in mind and only do what’s really good, through and through. That’s called ????? ?????. Good on all sides.
??? ??? ????
Oh yeah… that was reishis tzmichas galuseinu..
Nobody posts Lashon Hara. If you indicate otherwise, you’re posting lashon hara
OK, so I guess we’ll have to use DY’s line (to dissect.. for those who obviously didn’t chap) “the Rabbi said I can shake your hand. You’re unattractive”
Let me just relate a story I read in Rav Moshe’s Haggadah:
A man was to have an interview regarding a position for employment. It was during sefira, he asked Rav Moshe ztz”l if he could be lenient and shave because it was apparently unkempt, unbecoming etc. Reb Moshe could not permit it, he gave a bracha that regardless, even without shaving, he should have hatzlacha. (Yeah, I know others here will complain he’s overstepping… Dass Torah…!!! but that’s the story)
At the last moment this individual caved in and shaved to make his appearance becoming. He had his interview and all seemed well. Then this non-Jew asked him why he shaved when he’d interviewed other Jews and noticed they didn’t shave. He had a hard time explaining. At the end the boss told him if he’s so ready to do away with his standards, convictions, ideals, who’s to say he’d be trustworthy enough working for him. Rejected. <End of Story>
Moral of the story. Everyone can tell, even non-Jews, when one is ‘bending’ it a bit. And it doesn’t do too much kavod. When one stand up to one’s convictions, moral standards, he/she is admired and held in esteem.
Yeah… and look at the other Rishonim and mefarshim who say it’s because ???? ?? ??? ?????? and they’ll grab at anything to legalize, permit…
I have written ????? ?? ???, something worth taking note.. You don’t need this extra load on your shoulders.. “look, here’s this guy on Yeshiva World, obviously a yodea sefer, who claims it’s OK to touch women (and professes he actually did it)… so I can go ahead and…
To be serious for a change..
If the Mishnah says ??? ?????? ?????? ??? because of what the Gemarah explains, shouldn’t it apply here, all the more so?!? Do the ones here off the hand making light of the seriousness of these issurim take FULL RESPONSIBILITY of the chance someone out there might choose to act… Someone earlier wisely choose to keep his psak private… I would think others should do the same..
DY, the olam here missed your comment…
I like that one: “And actions speak louder than words.”
Pray tell, whoever, what actions go on here OTHER than words??
half a bump
I, too, side with Joseph (not that he needs my backing).
For someone to come out of the blue, malign, vilify,cast doubt, skepticism at a minhag, for some sloppy “research”, is beyond arrogance. Chutzpa is a better word.
If you (that’s BIG YOU), don’t know, keep your distance. And shush up!
Has that “mechaber” gone though the all seforim that deal with it. Has he been at the time “we adapted it from the pagans”? Again, if it’s not your minhag, keep your respectful distance. And kindly keep your mouth firmly shut.
??? ??? ???? ?????…
If they don’t know which way to hold a gun, how would they do it? I think it’s most important to learn how to shoot, then go inside and argue a Reb Chaim…?? ??? ?????
And you took what I just wrote seriously, didn’t you?
(I believe that’s on page 3582 amud beis…)
Whoops… I forgot to write “Kidding”.
Well anyways EVERYONE knows not to take ANYTHING I write seriously… (look up page# 3582 in Kidding for Dummies)
Oh, I was ‘talking’ to you, actually. You wrote that night descends on them at the same time as it does for everyone else in the region. So I asked you how you knew, if you were actually there. Maybe in that particular place…
How do you know? You were there?!?
To let them have night time activities in a more worldly hour. Night descends on them an hour earlier.
Did you say you’ll be working at the zoo??? Ohhh. Can’t wait!! Don’t forget to visit cage #569B… I’ll be waiting…
Computers… 30 years ago?!?
Pulling my leg or for real?!?
Gemarah Gitten 90a,
??? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?????
And I don’t think there’s an Issur NOT to post your (woman) pictue for all to see, ogle, gaze.
And maybe, just maybe, the Gemarah paskens that ???? ?????? ???? ???..
And maybe, just maybe, a tzanua Bas Melech, with true feelings of Kedusha, inner holiness and modesty, wants to avoid having others gaze at her picture for eternity.
GAW, we do the ??? ?? ???, mentioned in Gitten.
Again, with that same mantra, over and over again. That seems to be the main calling of some community. “Careful with chumrus. Make sure to do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING possible permitted by any standard, and rabbi any deah. Do not try to elevate yourself. And.. SEE WHAT HAPPEND BY THE FIRST CHUMRA!”
That should really be enough to frighten anyone…
FYI ?????? ???? is written explicitly in the Torah. ?? ???? ???… that’s the limit (actually right before, ???? ?????..)
If one does not feel that sense of tznuis, the inner core of a true Bas Yisroel there’s nothing to explain, argue, debate. No, it’s not written anywhere on a black on white. It’s in the essence of a Jewish (???????) Bas Melech. Our princess are of bigger stuff than the pruste ogle things plastered all over town, newspapers and posters in the Goyeshe velt. And the more they’re enclosed, protected, bashitzed, the more they shine!! A Kalla;s inner beauty is reserved for her someone special. Exclusively.
And might I remind peoplach, we don’t pasken ???? ??????.. ??? ?????, Gemarah immediately says Halacha is not so.