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tahini: Spoke to my muslim colleagues about their prayers, all of them independently told me their daily prayers are influenced in origin by the example of Jews on Yom Kippur.
So I was right!!
I always thought it was untrue.
popa: DY: Mistama that is talking about if you won’t be shikruso shel lot.
I think you missed his point. His point is that it’s better not to get drunk at all, even if you are only gonna miss ma’ariv. Yes, once you are drunk, you can be pattur, but it will still be assur for getting drunk lekatchila.
Josh: I really cannot believe there are any reliable sources for drinking like him, and at 12 units or more you have joined him.
I have heard that the zohar or some kabbalists hold that you should drink till you pass out.
Anyone have the source for this?
popa_bar_abba: uneeq: you tell me what it is. I use it for meat and then I don’t clean it very well. It is pretty greasy
If it’s pretty greasy, then lekatchila its assur to make the bread in the pot, unless you make the bread recognizable as “meaty” before the bread is finished baking. Or you can make the bread small and eat all of it right away.
Even though there most probably 60 parts against the grease, that even if you would eat with dairy there would be no issur of bosser vecholov, almost all poskim consider making such bread-lekatchila assur from the din “ein mevatlin issur lekatchila”, and some consider it even bedieved assur.
However, intent also plays a part. If you have unintentionally spilled grease on the dough, or if you didn’t know of this halacha before you made the bread, some say muttar, some say assur, but that’s where I got up to in Siman 97 so I haven’t finished that topic yet.
Calling out to Hello99, DY, or yitay to finish this one off.
I heard a myth that Muhammad wanted to copy the Jews, and the day he came around was Yom Kippur, so that’s how they ended up with so many prayers.
Fool.
ken:uneeq so you are saying that no men you know drive on the morning of shushan purim? Many of them are still over the drink drive limit then (not actually drunk) but still drive. If you think it’s hogwash then test yourself
No, actually the opposite; everyone I know does drive on shushan purim and no one is drunk in the slightest. This may be because its at least 10 hours after their last drink and because they slept it off.
If you think it’s hogwash then test yourself
I have. I never felt drunk in the morning after drinking. In my life. And I used to drink plenty AND often.
It’s most probably natlap and therefore the bread the bread and the pan (the pan was never a problem) are both kosher.
If the pan was used within 24 hours though, then if its dirty, it depends.
The bread would have to be unrecognizable as fleishig, meaning that if it has meat all over it or if it’s in a shape that reminds you of meat, then its ok.
Or, if the bread is small and you eat it all right away then you will be fine.
Interestingly, I am learning the sugya right now, so I’m not 100% sure as I haven’t finished it yet, but I think I’m more or less right.
Health: I actually believe a lot of people (Yid & Goy) join the medical field for the wrong reasons. I wish a lot would leave or be thrown out.
Health, this one of the few times that I agree strongly with something you said.
Ken Zayn:Many people assume that after drinking on either night of Purim they can sleep at night and they will be alcohol-free by the next morning, fit to drive etc.
That is just nonsense. No one “assumes” that they’re not drunk by morning time. Anyone who has actually put down a drink or two “knows” from “experience” that what you’re saying is a load of hogwash.
No scientific experiment can or will prove to me otherwise.
yitay:First, even if there is an issur with a woman having lewd thoughts a man who is an ervah, that doesn’t mean that she is as likely to have those lewd thoughts simply by looking at men, as men are by looking at women. I’m not saying they aren’t, but if you want to make issurim you have to prove it.
I was clear with my words to not use the word assur. I said there “can be an issur de’oraysa of histaklus” and that I would be “careful not to mattir”. I said “can be assur” because
a) It all depends on the woman’s intentions.
b) I also think that there may be others that are cholek, for example the Sefer Hachinuch’s pshat on Lo Sassuru is a da’as yochid. (Although, there are other shittos that assur for other reasons). However, a Rishon is a Rishon, and I wouldn’t be so quick to matir against him either.
Second, the three sources you cite are not generally regarded as the most authoritative sefarim when it comes to halacha.
That is all I found. If you can find me something else, great. However, some of those sources learnt that histaklus (for pleasure) is the same issur as men looking at women (for pleasure), which there is plenty of sources for. I’m sure there are differences, because a woman looking at a not-fully dressed man is not looking at an Erva, whereby vice-versa most definitely is.
The folowing is from poster “otr” in this thread here http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lo-taturu-and-women
????? ?????? ????? ?”? – “??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?????
????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ???”
??? ?????? ???? ??”? “??? ??? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ???????
??? ?????? ???”? “???? ????? ????? ???? ??????
Basically, the issur of histaklus does not just apply to men, it also applies to women.
Posters also kept mentioning that there’s a Shevet HaLevi that holds Lo Sassuru also applies to women (though I’m not sure where).
Also, there’s a Sefer Chinuch that says Lo Sassuru is a generic issur to not do or think of anything Ta’avadik. http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=37518&st=&pgnum=48
Being that there can be an issur de’oraysa of histaklus for women to look at other men, I would be careful to not mattir looking at men at the pool, and there may even be an issur of Lifnei Iver for the men.
Disclaimer: I am not a posek. At all.
besalel: he said “lav dafka. he is a tinnik shenishba.” meaning, the the satmer rebbe, in this rabbis eyes, was no different in his level of observance than the hollywood unaffiliated jews
It’s interesting because I understand his remarks differently than you did. He meant that in this certain aspect he is a tinnok shenishba because he was not taught the proper shitta. So yes, he may be a mechallel shabbos, but doesn’t make him a non-practicing Jew. (They would say in similar cases, “Better to be a Shoggeg then to be a maizid”, when the person is like a tinok shenishba in certain aspect. Doesn’t mean the person isn’t religious.)
Yankie Doodle:uneeq: Rav Ovadia Yosef shlita paskens like Rabbeinu Tam?
Yes, see Chazon Ovadia Shabbat Aleph pages 268-279 where he speaks about this topic at length.
However, he is not alone in this psak, because many Rishonim (and one Gaon) held like Rabbenu Tam:
Rav Hai Goan, Ra’avad, Ramban, Rashba, Ra’ah, Ritva, Ran, Magid Mishna, Meiri, Smag, Rokeach, Mordechi, Rosh, Rabbenu Peretz.
And to these Rishonim you can also add on the many of the biggest achronim, including, Maran Yosef Karo, Re’ma, Mahari Kolon, Ridbaz, Mabit, Bach, Mogen Avrohom, Pri Chodosh, Chatam Sofer, R’ Akiva Eiger and so on and so forth.
hershi:Is starting Shabbos using the Rabbeinu Tam’s later zman for Shkia a valid shitta currently?
If the Mishna Berurah says it’s not a valid shitta, halacha lema’ase, is that enough?
See here http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14171&st=&pgnum=67
Read the Biur Halacha, if you want to skip to the point, start reading 10 lines from the bottom “vehinei lema’ase”.
Enjoy.
Feif Un:R’ Tam’s zman was based on where he lived, in France.
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef proves that this is untrue based on a couple of factors.
A) Rabbenu Tam answers a stira of R’ Yehuda (who he paskened like) and mentions: “and for sure it is not vadai night for R’ Yehuda until after 4 milin (each mil is 18 minutes) from the time of shkia. And R’ Yehuda lived in E”Y as it says in shas many times, “Tana Be E”Y Kai”. It would be a strech to say that R’ Yehuda was talking about France in Pesachim 94a.
B) Even though the S”A lived in E”Y, he still paskened like Rabbenu Tam who lived in France. Which is interesting, because Maran saw with his own eyes exactly how fast the Shkia is in Israel and was still steadfast to the Rabbenu Tam shitta.
Ender: I agree, this halacha is pretty straightforward. The OP is funny when he says he’s looking for mareh mekomos. Maybe he should start with siman 89 in S”A (orach chaim btw) and then move on to the M”B on that siman.
When he finishes all that he should look back at his question in the OP and explain to us all why he shouldn’t be able to rely on maran in seif 4. Unless he wants to claim that he’s not looking for kulas whereby he shouldn’t have given possibility B for that is definitely being more meikel then seif 4.
Kaf hachaim says that one shouldn’t even walk towards the door until after aleinu because it looks like the davening is burden to the person. I think the same is said even if one is already outside the shul as long as he doesn’t have in mind to return.
“or somehow defining this situation as the Mechaber’s “??? ?? ???” case and eating before davening based on that…”
I would go with that. Personally, I usually have stomach pains if I don’t eat something right away in the morning, so since I wouldn’t have Kavana, I rely on the S”A. It’s hard to believe that after 14 hours hours of fasting and being wiped out from a hard trip like that, that you wouldn’t fall into the categories of Ra’ev and Tzame. S”A is mattir lekatchila as long as you don’t have kavana, although you still have the choice to not eat and pray if you would like to (even without as much kavana).
About davening before netz be’yochid: I would think that this is not a real Sha’as Ha’dchak. In 89:8 the M”B mentions sha’as ha’dchak such as going on the road in a scenario where you won’t be able to have kavana. Based on what I mentioned before that you are allowed to eat if you won’t have kavana, there is no heter to daven early.
On the left-most side of the inside room of the men’s section, is a ladies section that is above. I don’t know anything else about it as it is impossible to see through.
I don’t want to add anything over here, mainly because what I believe to be true, I have already seen the posters here clearly elaborate. That goes to yitay and Toi and many of the posters here.
Impressive knowledge and classiness in this thread I say.
LuvMe: If you had paid attention to the hints, you would have realized that it started with Repetitive. Being that you also had Door Opening Syndrome, you were really closer than you think. Repetitive ____ Door Opening Syndrome. I actually didn’t notice your post until after I figured it out.
P.S. I’m not infected with this sickness.
Wolf:it is ABSOLUTELY assur to have your toes uncovered while you are davening.
A. Please present a source for this.
B. Please prove that indicates that voluntarily saying tehillim is the same as davening.
A. S”A 91:5 It is assur to pray shmonei esrei with uncovered feet unless it respectable enough to stand before an important person in this fashion. (Although this issur is obviously not as absolute as “more” has paskened)
B. Reciting Tehillim does not have the same laws as praying shemonei esrei. We know that by Kriyat Shema that there is only an issur to recite if your eyes or heart can see an Erva as we see in S”A 74:1 and 75:6. If your feet are uncovered, see M”B 74:21 that says it’s completely muttar. Reciting tehillim is not more chamur than reciting portions of the Torah that we are commanded to recite M’doraysa.
KenZayn: Live and let live, and if posters write right or write wrong (or to bring it up to date whether the posters who type here are your type or not your type), just learn from your great president that you can even get the year totally wrong, (by signing 2008 instead of 2011) and still (pretend to) be president.
Can I order one grammatically-incorrect run-on sentence, sprinkled with oodles of criticism, please?
(Feel free to point out my minor grammatical mistakes. Thanks.)
crazybrit:wow uneeq how did you get that?
Well a hint like this-“ok another hint! in the US where they speak their own dialect of “english” it would be RRDOS”- naturally sent me to the british posters thread to see what crazybrit has recently said about the difference between the american version of english to the british kind. All I had to find was an English word that starts with an F that changes to an R in English.
Easily enough, crazybrit’s last post had the answer- “Also what’s American for fridge?”
Too bad I cheated to end that one, I was more interested in giving fake answers.
Repetitive (Re)Frigerator Door Opening Syndrome
Case closed, now I can go to sleep.
I’m surprised that LuvMe got that close by chance.
Rabbi’s Frequently Deliver Opulent Shmoozes
Religious Females Driving Offroad Syndrome
Sam2: And may I ask why you wouldn’t eat fish and meat together, even though there are no conclusive studies that it’s unhealthy? And I’m sure that you can assume that there are no studies because everyone knows that it causes cancer, right?
Sam2: It seems that you are the only one that knows of modern studies. And you hint that they conclude that it is dangerous. You say that it was inconclusive because it was a small study group.
I think that’s a good enough reason to pursue the truth about it.
I wouldn’t agree that it’s considered in Keivan DeDashu Bei Rabim because that which the Rabim do something means that you know that it doesn’t cause heart attacks, schizphrenia, etc. A regular Dashu Bei Rabim would be when everyone goes down a certain road and everyone lives. Where the only danger might be demons, and everyone living proves it wrong.
Since no conclusive studies have been done to study the effects of how fish and dairy might negatively affect ones body, I don’t believe it considered in Dashu Bei. It could be that many of the people that eat fish and dairy (chas vesholom) are getting the bad effects of it and with no (conclusive) studies, you are assuming that no one has a problem.
HaLeivi:The source of the Sakana is not from Chazal. It is from the 14th century doctors. There is no reason that I have to take their musings into consideration.
First, you think that if you repeat yourself assertion that it’s all based on 14th century doctors then you can throw everything out. If the Bet Yosef (16 century as you like to ignore) took their musings into consideration, then you shall also. Saying that you don’t have to even to consider that it might be unhealthy without consulting with modern doctors is just downright disrespectful to the biggest Posek of the world.
You really missed the point.
I really think you did. You are grabbing at thin air to try to create a new kula. That even though you don’t have a clue what modern science says about fish and dairy, you can automagically assume that there is evidence to back you up.
I’m very against women’s suffrage. Aren’t we all suffering enough without it?
zahavasdad:Do you travel at night, Its not just the Gemorah that says its a Sakana and forbidden
I am sure in this scenario that a sakana existed that nowadays does not. However, by fish and dairy, some argue as to whether any sakana exists at all, and for a health sakana we must look for substantial evidence brought by doctors to prove what is right and wrong.
Sam2:Uneeq: I’ve never seen a tshuva that quotes modern doctors.
You’ve never looked at a contemporary T’shuva?
I was trying to bait someone to quote me the sources, because I’ve never looked it up myself. I did once hear that one study showed fish and dairy to be ok, while another study showed that it really is a problem. For that reason I am inconclusive until I see a good, indisputable modern source.
yitay: I just spoke to a posek, he told me that it wouldn’t make a difference that it was tequila; since it was the manufacture’s intentions to put the worms inside for flavor, it is undoubtably noten taam leshvach. That which the SA and Rema point out, shichra and chometz, is in a stam case, where it would have fell inside, where they say that a stam case with no intention is assur anyways in these liquids. Aside for that I saw that that the Taz and Shach bring down the Mordechai and Maharshal that any liquids would be assur besides for honey, wine, and i forgot the third thing.
However, he brought up that the worm might also give flavor in more than 60, based on the fact that the worms are in the bottle with more than 60 against them, the company would have no reason to put worms inside if it didn’t affect the flavor. [Note: I have heard that (non-jewish) people like to eat the worms that are soaked in the tequila, so you can say that the company’s intentions was to soak the worms, not really to give flavor to the tequila. However in my particular case the worms were not able to be removed from the bottle without cracking the bottle open, so I would count that out in this scenario. I may be able to say that the worms are only there for design, but again I’m unsure.]
Also the bottle we had at the house was already drunk from, leaving what I believe was less than 60, which was kavush and undoubtably assur.
HaLevi:Uneeq, the source of this Sakana is some 14th century doctors. The proof that it is not a Sakana now is today’s doctors.
I asked for a source and you tell me that today’s doctors say it’s not a sakana. I’ve never seen a tshuva that quotes modern doctors and I doubt you have either. Also, you would have to show me where there are studies that all different combinations of fish and dairy are not unhealthy. And while you’re there find me a study that says eating fish and meat is unhealthy, which I doubt you have seen either, but still doesn’t stop you from keeping that “minhag”.
Bottom line: If you have no have no full proof that something is NOT sakana, you would have to follow your Mesora on what the great Poskim held. That is why no one would eat fish and meat these days, even if no doctors cite it as being sakana. By fish and dairy however, being that I’m Sephardic, I go after Maran that nobody has proven wrong yet. (By the way he’s 16th century not the 14th).
If your Ashkenaz, you can go after the Darkei Moshe, Shach and Taz that all argue and hold there is no sakana.
I’ll volunteer to take the #100 spot!
I would love to have a subtitle. But I would never get one while asking outright, without some witty comment of why I need one.
Ok this ones my own. Sorry if it stinks.
It’s Erev Rosh Chodesh Elul. The yeshiva auditorium starts to fill in with students and locals, and is soon overpacked. The Famed Rosh Yeshiva gets up to the dais, with everyone waiting to swallow every precious word that leaves his holy mouth.
“Rabbosai!!” The Rosh Yeshiva yells out.
“ELUL!!” “ELUL!!!!” His trembling lips let out a piercing scream that hits everyone’s hearts
“ELUL…IS ONLY 12 MONTHS AWAY!!!”
And with that he passes out.
Sam2: Uneeq: Yes, but if it’s Assur Mishum Sakanah and we know that the Sakanah no longer exists then the Issur goes away completely
True. But prove that it no longer exists. That is the whole basis of the machlokes, whether there really is sakana by fish and dairy. While looking for proof, try proving that fish and meat is a sakana.
crazyboy: TCP is an internet protocol that deals with transmission of bytes from one computer to another. Whatever.
To those that think that this is some sort of chumro or that sakana is not really ossur- you should know that something that’s assur because of sakana is more chamur than a regular issur. There is even a machlokes by fish and meat (and probably here too) whether batel beshishim applies or if it cannot be batel at all. That would make it more chamur (in a certain aspect) than basser becholov which is only ossur until 60.
realisraeli:The shulchan aruch writes in one place not to eat milk and fish together. Everyone agrees that this is a mistake and it was meant to say milk and meat.
A) Not everyone agrees this is a mistake, see the levush. Also, aside for Maran, Rabbenu Bahya who came before him, assurs for health reasons.
B) Those that claim that it’s a mistake claim it was meant to say FISH and MEAT not MILK and MEAT.
I have a family member that would probably be interested part-time. If you’re interested, I give permission to the mods give you my email.
So…..ELUL IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!!!