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TLIK: There are plenty of indie bands that are thriving off a combination of digital and physical album sales, concerts, and merchandising. Any Jewish singer worth his salt, can sell plenty of digital and physical albums to recoup costs and take away a small profit, rake in over a hundred thousand dollars from chasunas, and pull in more extra money from concerts and events. Throw in some merchandising (why not?)- because I’m sure people would buy tshirts, stickers and other nonsense with names or faces of Shwekey, Fried or MBD- and they’re raking in much more money than they deserve for the amount of effort that they put into a CD.
Far East: Bestiality, most probably legal (depending on animal rights laws I assume). Incest, definitely legal.
Far east: There are two distinct issues. 1) Certain people believe that gays shouldn’t get married, legally or not. 2) People believe that Gay marriage legislation is wrong, and it legally includes other forms of marriage. Therefore, for someone to mention that they are against gay marriage legislation for the sole reason that they are against bestiality is 100% ok. Because at the end of the day, it is gay marriage legislation that sets the legal precedent for all these forms of marriage, and they must legislate against it as long as they would like bestiality to stay illegal.
CD’s have been going extinct for over a decade already. Any of these stores that are trying to juice out whatever they can from the CD business is only going to hurt their reputation. Time for these Judaica stores to refocus, and time for the Jewish music stores to face the reality that the Jewish music monopoly will not last forever.
I, personally have decided a cuople years ago to not buy any song or album that is not available digitally online. If everyone else would join in with me, I think we would see rapid change.
Hello99: Ok I take it back that it was your chiddush, I didn’t see that you mentioned sources about personal copying of tapes. I hope to see these sources as I don’t understand the logic behind it, and it seems that you agree with me on that.
I agree jbaldy. I will not give a penny of mine to greedy music producers, who try their best to make an album with only one half-professional musical effort on there, package it up with 10 “songs” that sound like they were recorded using a potato, in order to sell a plastic case filled with another strip of plastic that in essence, might be worth 25c more than the actual music that comes with it.
So, yeh, until they actually let you listen to the songs and pick the ones you like, the quality ain’t gonna get any better, as they know that they’ll be able to throw it all down your throat so you can you listen to their self procalimed “hit song”.
/rant
Far East: The Slippery Slope Fallacy states that something is wrong only because it may lead to something else that’s bad. In this case, however, people that are against gay marriage are bothered by gay marriage itself to a certain degree, whether it be the “abominable”-ness of the act as clearly stated by the Torah, or the ramifications of gay marriage, such as legally being able to adopt kids, and the propagandization of gay culture into our education system and society.
The fact of the matter is, that under the new all-inclusive definition of marriage that liberals are starting to stick in some states, just about anything goes including incest and bestiality. Supporting gay “marriage” legally, doesn’t “lead to” (as implied by the fallacy) supporting (somehow still immoral things such as) bestiality and incest, it literally changes the definition of what marriage is from a religious ordeal to a legal one. And while you may give reasonable explanations why bestiality will never be legalized, a) I fail to understand why it should be less illegal under redefined marriage laws to marry a sibling than it is to marry the same gender, in fact it’s more natural b) it would not reaffirm you fallacy theory because bestiality and incest do exist. They do not have to be led up to. They just have to be legalized and under current definitions in many states I see it as already legal without a precedent.
So in conclusion, by falsely stating that something true is a fallacy, you have stumbled upon the Fallacy Fallacy, thereby committing the chief fallacious act of the day.
Hello99: Even presuming that someone can have halachic ownership over an idea in any circumstance ie; even for Fair Use, with music anyone can easily get around the supposed gezel of the IP. If I was to change a music file in any way, by manipulating the bits that compose the song, I technically haven’t stolen anything. So simply by converting to MP3 format to store on iTunes I would be complying with copyright laws. In a similar concept, you may see shirts with different skewed versions of the Ralph Lauren logo, which is perfectly legal. As long as the idea is not exactly the same it would be okay.
“Once we accept that the accepted Halacha and vast majority of Poskim accept intellectual property “
You still haven’t proven that this applies in non-commercial cases. I cannot fathom how gezel would apply in a case where there is no possible direct or indirect loss to the victim (hence there is no victim), and no returning of said “idea”. Seems to be a massive chiddush of yours that must be first proven clearly for it to have any value.
hello99: I think that you’re getting two topics completely mixed up. I understand that many poskim could hold that its issur gezel gamur for someone to reprint someone else s’forim.
However, there is a major difference between commercial and personal use. When someone reprints a shas, they are selling something that the selling rights belong to someone else. But to copy from a sefer to put in your notes, or even to copy it completely and put it in your house, does not cause the owner any loss. You see all the time in the car industry. Replica Ferraris and other cars where the owner had replicated every detail of the car for 1/4 of the price. In legal terms, copying intellectual property for personal use is legal under the “Fair Use” laws.
Just please answer me a question (or two) to let me see how you think: If I decided to copy, stroke for stroke, color for color, and make an exact replica of the $120 million painting, “The Scream” to put on my wall, if someone had a copyright on it, would you consider me a “stealer” and obligated to pay the rights holder $120 million? Also, would it be illegal to sing Yaakov Shwekey’s brand new song on my shabbos table, if I was able to sing it perfectly, note for note?
Coffee addict: LOLROTFL
learning out loud, reading only torah friendly literature;
zahavasdad: I argue your facts as I lived in Brooklyn last summer. One has only to check up news stories about Leiby Kletzky to find out that over 5,000 people helped search for him. Thats quite a high number of volunteers for an empty city. Also you ignored Lakewood and Monsey.
My wife doesn’t let me do any of the regular chores like washing dishes and doing laundry. However, I do the sponga every week (without being asked) and its considerably tough. I agree with those saying that some chores are women’s jobs and some are men’s. Basically, chores that women are more comfortable doing, women should be doing lekatchila and vice-versa. In a sha’as hadchak, you should obviously lend a hand.
I think men’s jobs generally include taking out the garbage, fixing things, paying bills, and that’s aside for working really hard to be the bread winner of the family. Different situations obviously have different arrangements.
writersoul: While not all balabatim are amaratzim, I highly doubt that PBA is lying about the balabatim he met on his SEED program trips. After all, he was sent to a specific places that needed chizuk, no
Last I checked, there’s no SEED program in brooklyn, monsey, lakewood, and other developed communities where normal balabatim are also b’nei torah.
A Heimishe Mom: Gmail has Google Talk (google’s chat program) built-in. Also, the settings page for setting up email forwarding, is accessible to anyone is using the email account.
bigdeal: You are yoitze “vehagisa bo yomam velayla” by saying krias shema morning and night.
OOM: The explanation is simple. You believe that women like diamonds because they are programmed like that when they were born. That there’s no logical reason, and that’s why diamonds are loved by women all over the world.
However, a smart person can tell you, that before the 1900’s, the concept of giving a diamond to get married was a very foreign idea. This “natural” deisre for women to get glittery expensive jewelry didn’t exist not so long ago.
De Beers created that image, using advertising such as “diamonds are forever”, and since they hold about 70% of the world diamond supply, they profited heavily.
soliek: I assume you are talking to me. I use an android, but I do think the iPhone is better. Packing in features do not make a phone great. The software is what does the trick. And I would never, ever use a BB. Bitul Zman (restarting it multiple times a day and it’s slowness) and Bal Tachshis (not worth a penny to me)
Feif Un: Look at my first post. I agree with you. I don’t think there’s enough people that are knowledagble enough to give over a halacha shiur everyday. There should be. For me that’s the only problem with Longarekel’s idea to switch from Daf Yomi.
Toi: You missed my point. All learning should be done lishma. But an am ahaaretz in halacha should decide to learn halachos, which can also be learnt lishma. I would think one who doesn’t care about his personal obligations to god, is not really learning Torah Lishma. It’s learning Torah for his own personal reasons, such as personal enjoyment, not enough time etc.
See Rashi Avos 1:17 on “Velo hamidrash hu ha’ikar, ela hama’ase”, that one who does the mitzva is greater than the one who learns and doesn’t do the mitzvos. I would say that one who doesn’t know halachos doesn’t do pretty much any of the mitzvos properly.
Also see the bartenura in the same spot. He says exactly my point that one who learns only gets most of the reward for actually doing the ma’asim in the end.
g73: I would also like to point out that halacha l’mayse does not need to be the goal of your limud (it can be if you like). torah l’shma is learning for the sake of understanding the torah you are learning (at least that is how the nefesh hachaim defines it).
Yes, I agree that halacha lemaysa does not have to be the goal of all your limudim. But for 99% of baale batim to learn only Torah Lishma is a churban. Because I highly doubt that more than a couple percent know most of mishna brura. And that gets whittled down even further when you consider how many of those know halacha lema’ase in Yoreh Deah and Chosen Mishpat. So to learn “Lishma” and to remain an Am Haaretz should not be our goals in life. Many mussar sforim mention that’s its not enough to just be a good person. One must also learn the halochos to get anywhere.
I agree with the longarekel in theory. But I believe that metzios is that there aren’t enough people that are able to give over a shiur every day in halacha lema’asa. In my mind, it’s easy for any Joe Shmoe to give over the daf, but to give over halacha p’suka in choshen mishpat, orach chayim, yoreh deah, is much harder.
gro- when I was switching away from bb to see if I should iPhone and I wasn’t so impressed for someone who is tech savvy.
Tech savvy? And you still prefer BB over an iPhone? The last time I checked the only feature on a BB phone is BBM (however pointless it is). Everything else is completely horrible. Installing an app takes forever, including multiple resets which each take about ten minutes. Deleting an app also requires a reset. The browser reminds me of the internet in the 90’s. Last time I checked, their app store has less than 1/100th of the apps on android and iPhone. The phones are slow. Taking out the battery is often necessary multiple times a day. Horrible UI. The list goes on and on and on…
Get a real gold setting with a fake diamond. Problem solved. No one can tell the difference anyway without using a loupe.
See the twenty or so threads about this.
MCP: You beat me to the punch.
postal: And on top of all this, considering her pool is mainly of divorced guys, this pool often has big issues. After all, they got divorced for a reason.
This may true but by the same logic, the opposite is also true. That divorced women also have big issues. Hence from that perspective they are equal.
A woman outside America: If this is really true, how come there hasn’t been anything about it in the YWN news section? What is your source, getzel1?
YWN is an internet news website.
YWN not posting about an internet convention that’s against the internet would be the correct thing to do, at least in the business sense.
Feif Un: Will they put the quarter million dollar mechitza up?
Nope, it will cost much more than that. They will have to put up a massive wall of fire. And we all know that the price would be exorbitant.
But any firewall mechitza would be priceless.
chaimss: with0ut 3n7 h@k3r lingo
Thats not proper hacker lingo- whats “ent” anyways?
1337 5p33k 15 moar L1k3 7h15
They aren’t hacked, but it was definitely preferable in the old pre-hacked days. Every other link I click sends me back to getting hacked by the persian hackers.
The hackers have won without even a keystroke.
cherrybim: I agree. In my opinion that anyone who can work and instead dedicates their life to torah and collecting tzdoka is going against the words of our Rabbanan in many places. Collecting for a one-time freak thing is ok, but to be somech on begging for children weddings 10 years from now -is completely non-jewish hashkafa.
Many of the chassidim, also come by my kollel to collect money for this and that. If they are learning in kollel, then stay in kollel. If they really really need the money and have to go begging, then anyways they’re not learning so why beg when you can do something decent and honest? Chas Ve Sholom they should be mevatel their begging to go to work…
Rabbaim: What about Dina Dimalchusa Dina
The law of the land would permit making a copy, as long as its not for commercial purposes.
Some people get mixed up between the the theft of physical and intellectual property. To physically steal a painting, you just pick it up and leave.
To intellectually steal a painting, you would have to copy it feature by feature, and then sell it to someone else. If you want to make your own copy theres nothing forbidding you. Just because someone arranged certain parts in a certain design to create the Ford Model T, does not mean you are stealing anything from Ford if you were to make and keep a replica.
To intellectually steal something, you have to profit financially from the sale of someone else’s idea. Meaning if I pirate cd’s and sell them to others, I stole the IP (intellectual property) of the artist and profited from what the artist may or should have. However, until then, the creator is not losing anything. Having a copyright does not make it illegal to reproduce the idea.
Another example. If I wanted to keep a copy of a certain article in a magazine I purchased, I would definitely be allowed to type up the article in Word and save it in my computer. The benefit of reading and having a copy of the article is not illegal. Selling the article to some magazine to be published, yes.
popa_bar_abba: Creep. I hope she gets pregnant with twins.
Lol! I hereby nominate this tidbit, as tidbit of the day.
(Sorry popa, the post itself wasn’t good enough for “post of the day”)
hello: My point is that noone will ask “why did you make corn-bread, is it fleishig?”, they will assume it was done for the taste, just like an English muffin.
All I am saying, is that in popa’s particular situation where he commonly bakes fleishig corn bread in his house, if the rest of the residents in his house are knowledgable of the breads status, then its ok.
In short: In popa’s house, if they do ask, then its ok.
Lets not have a machloikes in metziyus.
Logician: How is YWN CR a dangerous situation ?
I think he meant going on the internet in general. That is, while logged into the CR, you must guard yourself from the rest of the internet. So too, he is implying, that facebook has its good parts, and it has bad parts and one is likely in a comparable situation.
I am so confused about the fax story, but it sounds nice.
Falling out of contact with old good friends?
Story of my life unfortunately 🙁
My rosh kollel has a Tshuva concering Bimbo Bread which has milk powder in it. I will try to get a hold of a copy to repaste here.
hello: BTW, according to this Maharit (and common sense experience), the practice in Israel of making cheese bourekas triangular is ineffective.
You would have to prove that the issur also applies to other things aside for bread. Because as we have mentioned, “ki al halechem yichye haadam”, means that I would eat bread with anything, meat or dairy, and therefore it’s “karov levadai” that I will eat it with the wrong foods.
This doesn’t apply to borakas unless you can prove that borekas are eaten with (directly, it’s not enough in the same meal) meat and dairy.
Aside for that, if you add in the Rashba, that you just have to be questionable of the status of something in order for the siman to be good enough, I think pretty much anyone who doesn’t know the proper shape of borekas makes sure to check inside first.
And you also have the Pri Megadim in Siftei Da’as that mentions that forsure if you see the Shuman on the bread its considered a good siman. Being that most borekas have cheese oozing out of them, the chumras of the rabbinate is probably for naught (if you add up all the aforementioned reasons to be meikel.)
hello: The Rashba is referring to circumstances where a Siman is a valid solution, namely in the home, and even there its uniqueness must conclusively indicate its status.
I disagree strongly with your understanding of the Rashba. As you have quoted him above
In my opinion, the Rashba holds that the bread can be kosher if it is seen as “questionable”. Meaning, that when someone sees the bread, they will come to question either a)the purpose of the siman or
b) the status of it whether it’s dairy or meat.
That is what he is referring to in the last line, that a person will see a siman and will come to ask and be told.
If I live in a house where home made corn bread is regarded as a questionable product, I am fine according to the Rashba, because I will come to ask someone and will get the right answer.
hello: Once the OU adds “D” to the label of the the muffins, it is no longer likely that a frum Jew would eat them with meat, and there is no issue of Bittul Issur.
Well the chavos da’as says that putting siman after the baking doesn’t help as the pas is already ossur, and making a siman only works before the bread is finish being baked. I saw this in other achronim too.
You can argue that he was talking about a case where the siman may be forgotten to be made (he really was indeed.) And in our case where the kneading was done in mind to make a siman after the baking, where the siman will definitely be made, even the chavos da’as may agree with you.
DY: I just noticed you response to hello that an after the fact siman doesn’t help. I am also wondering why he switched gears so quickly. Maybe its an old letter and he changed his mind.
Hello: Thomas English Muffins are less than 1/60 milk. I once had an email exchange with the OU on this subjuct and will try to dig it up and post it.
IIRC, The tzemach tzedek says that there is also an issur of ein mevatlin with even less than 1/60. THe nachlas tzvi argues but I think that most achronim go with the tzemach tzedek.
However, since bedieved anyways it would be kosher, and I assume that Thomas is a non-jewish owned company, I can understand a svara that there’s no issur of ein mevatlin with goyim.
hello: It seems to me that the uniqueness of corn-bread would not meet the criteria of the Rashba, as a consumer would not see it as an indication of the corn-bread’s fleishig status, but rather of the uniqueness of corn-bread.
For consumers you are right. That would be in line with the Maharit brought down in the Pischei Tshuva. But for households it would be fine if everyone knows that the homemade corn-bread is fleishigs.
I also saw somewhere that we’re not choshesh for guests coming over the house.
Mushrooms.
Horribly bad singing.
Dentists’ drill.
Doctors’ needles.
Scratching chalkboards.
Thinking about any of the above.
popa: Do you have a source for that? I saw that you can make a siman in the tzura, but I haven’t seen that you can have the whole type of bread be your siman. Like that you only make whole wheat bread fleishig.
Similar to what itche is saying. I’m assuming corn bread looks a bit different than regular bread. If that’s true, and everyone in the house knows that the corn bread is fleishigs, than its fine.
popa: But our case (of mixing less than a 60th of milk into dough) is different, since our intention is not to eat it with the other min. I see no reason to assume that the issur applies to that case.
With bread, we assume automagically that you will eat it with the other min.
Ki al Halechem yichye Ha’adam.
DY: I’m just wondering though; since making a different tzurah is a heter for baking milchig or fleishig bread, if someone only makes fleishig corn bread, never pareve, is there an issur?
It depends whether the rest of his family knows that it’s fleishig.
If they do, then it should be fine.
crazybrit: I agree with the google+ advice.
If you wanna keep in touch with family without all the pritzus, + with the possibility of almost full privacy, google+ is the way.
It’s mainly the privacy option that makes the inner yeshiva-guy in me think it’s ok.
popa: Uneeq: But the grease is on the pan, not in the batter. So then when I bake it, it will still be touching the grease which will still be in the pan, and will only go in a k’dei netila because it is tzli. So then I would need 60 in the netila, which I don’t have. Because we aren’t bekiin bein kachush l’shamen.
Uneeq: Also, why do you say it would be assur to lechatchila put in less than a shishim of milk into bread?
Read the top of this page http://hebrewbooks.org/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&daf=30b&format=pdf
It’s exactly your case, and it says KOL hapas KULA assura. It’s a gezeira derabbonon that when you bake a certain way, they assur’d the whole bread. It seems to me that the gemoros case is talking about even when there’s more than 60.
Even if the gemoro is talking davka under 60, I saw many achronim (I’m not finished looking up though) that assur because of Ein Mevatlin Issur Lekatchila. Because as Sam said, al ha’lechem yichye ha’adam, so when you make the bread it’s assumed that you will eat it any meal, meat or dairy.