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Health- Assuming, arguendo, that he is/was still a member of the sikrikim and he is Oiver Oy L’resha Oy L’schaino -what gives anybody a right to put him in jail for this? At most it’s a Bain Odom L’mokom – are you and the Tzionim G-d?
There’s 2 parts of what happens when this guy goes to jail
1) He stops partaking in protests and cannot cause or help problems
2) He gets punished
I would be happy if all of the sikrikim end up being in category 1. However, anybody who is violent should simply be in category 2. In a free country, everyone has the right to parade including gays, leftists, “settlers”, sikrikim, any many other groups. Do I want them thrown in jail for parading? Certainly not. But I would definitely enjoy it if they would take their shenanigans somewhere else. NIMBY, please.
You have a lot more Sinas Chinum than these Sikrikim!!!!!
Again, if they are violent, throw them in jail. If one particular guy isn’t, I would still be happy that he’s not around to join them. Am I happy that he’s in jail? Well, if there’s no evidence against him, then not particularly. But I will definitely not join with thugs to free him. There are better things to be sympathetic about. Like the sinas chinam you mentioned and victims of violence.
tldr; I’m happy he’s off the streets, not necessarily happy that he’s in prison
uneeqParticipantDY- Why only for Sefardim?
I figure you’re referring to the last thing I said. I believe that the Sephardim wouldn’t have a problem of chazara and the ashkenazim would. I may be wrong though, I’m getting rusty with the shehiya/chazara aspects.
January 6, 2012 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm in reply to: I just know this is going to go the wrong way #844639uneeqParticipantLast year a bag left at the bus stop at binyanei ha’uma was quickly reported and many people were saved when a makolet owner got almost everybody to move away. Anything can be a bomb.
uneeqParticipantHealth- Bishul akum is when a goy cooks all of the food without any input from a jew. According to ashkenazim even lighting the fire is enough. For sephardim, the jew has to actually take part in the actual cooking, but not the whole thing. So if the crockpot was on and then got turned off, it for sure cooked something under a jew’s hands. That’s why he doesn’t think that it’s likely to be a problem of bishul akum. Only if it was completely raw it would be a problem, if it was in a crockpot. On the fire, an ashkenazi can be meikel from that point.
However, if the cholent is cooked partially-but not ma’achal ben drosai- before shabbos, you would have a problem of shehiya even before shabbos started.
The problem of amira leakum is simpler. You cannot tell a goy to do a melacha for you on shabbos.
So as long as it’s not fully cooked, or it’s cold, it would be a definite Issur.
I’m assuming that you can get around the amira leakum problem, though. If the chulent is fully cooked and gets turned off in middle of shabbos, if it’s still piping hot, or according to ashkenazim, not cold yet, a goy would probably be able to put turn it back on (trei derabanan letzorach mitzva). For sephardim, I understand that you can simply move it yourself into a different pot as long as it’s still hot and put it on the fire.
uneeqParticipantHealth- Assuming, arguendo, that he wasn’t violent any of those vicious attacks, he is/was still a member of the sikrikim. The same group that definitely has reshaim involved (see youtube-Meah Shearim Terror Sikrikim Break Store Glass Door, and I’m sure there’s others). Being a member of their clan and violent demonstrations is directly colluding with reshaim, helping the evil continue their crimes against humanity and desecration of Hashem’s name. Oy lerasha, oy leshcheno. We need less of these type of people on the streets. So yes, good riddance.
uneeqParticipantRB- Agreed. Even if they want people to heckle them (I’m even not sure why, even if I disagree with them), it’s not fair that they want them to get spammed. Any email address written out on ANY website is basically picked up by bots and added to a spamming list.
uneeqParticipantSome thoughts. My father had a coworker that didn’t show up to work one day. Eventually, he found him collecting money in shuls. Asking him why he collects, he replied that it’s easier to make money collecting than from working. And that he was making the same amount in less hours. He also drives a Jaguar.
Next. My father regularly throws out collectors from the shul. For what reason? For being non-jewish. How does he know? Well, they are dressed in a pretty religious manner so they should be able to read the simple words Shema Yisroel. Right? Wrong. It’s funny that Kol Haposhtin Yad on Purim also applies to goyim.
Then you have the alcoholics and drug addicts. Sure, they can really use the money, but for what? It’s really easy to spot one of these. I don’t think beggars were created with bruises all over their faces. It’s from bar fights, stumbling in the streets on a high, and drug abuse.
Then you have the scammers, usually manipulating the softness in a jews heart. I heard people plotting out their methods of attack, like vultures spotting their prey.
One thing I still haven’t figured out is why every beggars hat looks like it survived some world war. Either they’re pretending their religiousness and can’t do it right or they are poorly trying to emulate real poor people.
uneeqParticipantI wonder if there is a point in discussing a tshuva (even a slightly complex one) on a forum. The fragmentation makes the argument revolve in circles. Feels like its impossible for someone to really prove a point and for the other to agree.
uneeqParticipantA better question- Considering that the boss isn’t abusing you, what amount does your wife appreciate more?
uneeqParticipantmoi aussi- Do you ask because he’s sticking up for YWN or because he is incomprehensible?
uneeqParticipantHealth- The bolded letters are from the moderators to clearly point out where it was me talking. About the rest of what you said, I have better things to do than waste my time responding again.
Like pursuing my idea of printing the 5th chelek of shulchan aruch.
uneeqParticipantHealth: “Hey Editor -He’s got a point. Even if the guy did it once what he is accused of -you could probably print it because it’s known in the world, but how could you add on Good Riddance? That means you’re happy he is in jail. The only way Al Pi Din you can be happy if he is a Rosha. The only way he can have a Din Rosha if they Paskened on him like this in Bais Din or you’ve personally seen him do Aveiros ALL the time (this can even be through video if it’s a positive indentification).
So how about the guy who wrote that headline issuing an apology?”
“Really -he told you he did many crimes?!?!
Did you ever hear of the Issur of believing LH?
Did you ever hear of being Dan L’caf Zecus?
On the one thing that he was convicted on in a Non-Bais Din -you can be Choset for (perhaps believe), nothing more.
Exactly, and how do you know what kind of individual he is?
And how do you know that?
How do you know what his actions are?
(I already stated above – “The only way he can have a Din Rosha if they Paskened on him like this in Bais Din or you’ve personally seen him do Aveiros ALL the time (this can even be through video if it’s a positive indentification).)”
And how do you know this guy is a Tzarr?
I really don’t blame you for the way you think because e/o believes anything in the News. But us Frum Jews have a Torah and this what we believe in, nothing more. The Chofetz Chaim wrote Halchos on L.H. in his Sefer. In there he says clearly just because you read something in a newspaper (nowadays it would be any media), all the Dinim of L.H. apply. This would include not believing it!
Now for an author to come to a comment of “Good Riddance”, he/she would have to believe what was said about the guy!
Maybe you, (and others) should get off the net and start learning our Torah, esp. when it comes to the Dinim of Loshon Hora!
A public apology from YWN would be the right thing to do!
I doubt you saw a video of him and he never was called in front of any Bais Din!”
You know how it says seyag lechochma shtika? I could sum up all your complaints in six simple words “how do you know it’s true?”.
And to that I respond that I live in Israel and I see whats going on. My head isn’t buried in the sand. Neither is YWN. As a news org that has correspondents in the area they are acutely aware of the situation over there. You don’t need the media to matir us to talk about this filth. Everyone in the area knows exactly whats going on.
Also, the fact that he got convicted shows that he was testified against (or ample evidence against him, your choice). Most definitely by the JEWS that were tortured by him.
SO it’s your choice: Say lashon hara about the many Jews that testified and call them liars. Or please check the forum for a topic you are more knowledgeable about.
uneeqParticipantHealth: “…how could you add on Good Riddance? That means you’re happy he is in jail. The only way Al Pi Din you can be happy if he is a Rosha.”
Let’s pretend that al pi din (sources?) you can only be happy if he’s a rosha. And lets pretend that he’s not a rosha. (Him? Not a rosha!? There is extensive proof that he is. He himself won’t deny the violence he has done.)
Still however, good riddance is simply “An expression of pleasure on being rid of some annoyance – usually an individual.”
This guy caused so much to pain so many Jewish people. Of course they are happy that some local mafia member isn’t around to torture them. Even if you cannot hate the guy, you can definitely hate his actions. Why not thank hashem for taking away this Tzaar?
uneeqParticipantDY: I was referring to looking up the vast sources he brings down. Not necessarily to pasken like him, but to look up those he quotes and their reasonings.
Also what you responded to 10952 does not make sense. Yabea Omer is a better index than any other sefer I know. Again, he might pasken based on numbers (not in my belief), but he will bring down more lost seforim and a plethora of poskim that nobody else has brought down. It won’t hurt you, so don’t get so defensive/offensive.
uneeqParticipantM95: I’m not sure if I’m correct at all, and it doesn’t make things much better, but I figured he was referring to Chassidim. Charedi’s weren’t founded, religious jews were always “charedi”. Chassidim on the other hand….
uneeqParticipantWhy don’t one of you guys just open yabea omer? R’ Ovadia quotes everyone under the sun.
uneeqParticipantI’m kinda new to posting, as I only posted a 10 times, but I’m a long time lurker.
However, I’m posting in here right now because I feel like I’ve been ignored on all my other posts so far, and I’m not likely to spend the lengthy amount of time it takes to really build up my name like some of the old timers and frequent posters have. So tell me- do I need to get more involved and people will start to respond to things I say? Anybody know the standard break-in period?
Sorry in advance for probably coming off as arrogant.
uneeqParticipantestherhamalka, ef613, LuVmyFaM-im also sy
tomim tihyeh-
As a man, I dont agree that “he’s the boss”. The man is NOT the boss when it comes to her personal chumrot. I go like cham ovadia. I always thought that the girl I marry is gonna wear a hat/rag. Well now that I met the girl already (and she’s wearing a wig), it has come to my understanding from my local rabbis, that regular girls (and even some rabbis wives) ALL wear wigs. If she wants to be machmir, I can push slightly for it, but at the end of the day, it would/should be her personal chumra to be different than everybody else.
A great piece of advice I was told by an ashkenazi rabbi-you don’t want to suggest generally unaccepted chumrot on her, unless you’re willing to accept vice versa. Such as waking up daveining netz in the morning. And saying tikun chatzot and etc.
uneeqParticipantLiving in a mixed marriage family (father’s ashkenaz, mothers sephardic) I’ve seen more soft fathers than strict ones from BOTH sephardic and ashkenaz.
And to the OP, my fathers ashkenaz and he is/was probably stricter than your husband. But that never made him a bad person and he’s actually pretty normal.
uneeqParticipantFor personal use, you can duplicate anything you want. If you’d like to, you can even make your own iPhone. However, for commercial use, you will be infringing on the copyright holders’ “intellectual property” if you sell or benefit from any of your duplications.
uneeqParticipant@real-brisker Why would anyone put up a picture of themselves? I think the OP’s intent is to have personal avatars on the site just like most other forums do on the interwebs.
uneeqParticipantYou are correct that there’s a difference between talking in davening and talking after washing. However, talking after washing according to S”A for even random things is completely fine as long as you don’t forget about the bread (he says ‘Tov’ lehachmir). But according to the Rama, any talking or even not saying hamotzi within a time frame of walking 11 amos, will be considered not lecatchila. A suggested option to be machmir is to not dry your hands until you get to the table, as the netila goes after the drying, and therefore you can walk more than 11 amos that way.
uneeqParticipantI dont know but I would check mikomos.
uneeqParticipantTheres a girl named Cookie and a guy named Bunny both legally named after their grandparents nicknames. Oh, and I know of Israel Israel too. Theres also the persian name Gamzuletovah. I also have an uncle Tony (he’s jewish, not a convert). Also I have a cousins named Fortune, and Madeline.
uneeqParticipantWell, I was just in this special “ahavat chinam” gathering today in deal, nj with over 3,000 people. There was tehillim and prayers held in a magnificent fashion. It was so heartwarming, and also the first time a thing like this has been done in our generally tight-knit community.
uneeqParticipantTo FantabulousEyebrows: While I believe that music can affect the neshama, in my experience its only the dirty, cheap “hit” music that they play on the radio constantly. Any music that is clean, I personally never felt a problem listening to including even my favorite, heavy metal. Although, I do believe that I would be better off without it, as I have been recently, just like I am better off without going to sports games (but it doesn’t make sports games assur or derogatory.
BTW, first post here, longtime lurker
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