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cherrybim,
I accept your tochacha and publicly thank you for giving it to me.
But how should I have addressed her here?
PS Another thing I agree with you is that she is “a strange woman.”
cherrybim,
so kindly don’t be so afraid to quote the MB and S’O that was provided to you. you still haven’t done so because you are afraid of what it says.
saythatagain, were not teens here. and cherrybim has a very sordid and checkered history behind him. if any police detective investigations are needed around here, cherrybim will be suspect number one. perhaps because you are new here you are lucky enough to not be familiar with it.
cantoresq & berliner,
To be intellectually honest, please advise everyone here what exactly the TRUE meaning of Emunas Chachomim (and Daas Torah) mean to you.
AND also please cite a SUSTAINED example from a time in Jewish history that it was actually looked at and practiced in the way you describe it.
Mr & Mrs yossi yoshi, yes it is so babyish to use something over 3000 years old, like say the Torah, isn’t it? Well you’ve already made that point loud & clear with your sad commentary. Obviously (c’v) shulchan orach is “ignorant and not an intellectual comeback” in your intelligence, to quote you.
Oh, and btw you SLIPPED UP! You said “no intellectual comeback to provide US.” US! US yoshi & yossi. Sorry for blowing the cover.
ChanieE, When someone starts comparing tznius, which comes from the Torah, to the Taliban, burqas, etc. it sure shows what they think of the Torah.
Which posek disagrees with any of these very basics of tznius? And which of these core basics, pray tell, is even disagreeable about?
illini,
others have responded to you. I agreed with them and added my analogy of your views.
yossi,
can’t break the law. if the law is hes first, he gets saved first. even harboring thoughts of murder as you profess (out of anger, obviously, at the the law having been expressed to you) is treason, which will get you and your yoshi stringed up. so you two would never make it.
These are just the basics. Many poskim hold of additional stringencies than listed here.
yoshi – When you are on the Titanic, they’ll let you fend for your strong willed self, as the others are put on the rescue boats. Let us know the view from the bottom of the ocean.
jphone – Is a taxi driver uncourteous for not walking you to your door? Does your brother walk you to your door after dropping you off, after giving you a ride?
Darkened lounge? I dunno what your religious affiliation is, but if thats where dates are going in your circles…
Dignified Billiard rooms? Sure; and there are “dignified beaches” as well.
PYid – “the minhag of a large portion of the klal today” is to dress not tzniusdik also. So while minhugim are being added at an alarming rate, perhaps we can give it a marketing slogan of “A new minhug a day, will make the Yetzer Tov go away!”
jphone – In Brazil the minhug for politicians as well as most of the rest of the populace is to dress in a lot less than merely being sleeveless. Forget them not owning a jacket; do they know what pants looks like?
Jent1150 is absolutely right.
Illini07, Oh how offensive to bring up such “ancient” halachas that offend our 21st Century liberal American sensibilities! How controversial! What will the shkutzim think of us now? I think we all better hide under our desks (after quickly locking the offending gemorah or shulchan orach in the closet)! Maybe we can all simultaneously issue an apology for harboring such pre-historic (i.e. before the feminist movement corrected all our age-old errors) ideas.
smart, disregard #4 response. I thought you meant eating off each others plates (as you are eating.)
cherrybim,
the evidence is in the pudding. just skim thru your comment history.
Is motzi shem rah something YOU have an exemption from?
mdlevine, Emes! Though I haven’t seen anyone here be mechalek on the second type you mention.
willi, that is the contemporary liberal American thought-process, to divorce early and divorce often. But most divorces are avoidable and would have been better without a divorce. People divorce too quickly. Then they often end up in a worse state, with no prospects for a better mate than they gave up.
Of course there is a time for everything and sometimes it is unavoidable unfortunately.
mariner,
That is a brand new (to me) sub-category you mention. “Charidal”? Please elaborate.
Response:
1) Like you said in your follow-up, there is a tznius problem. Additionally playing pool is not an activity engaged in by a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel.
2) Not tznius to talk to a female (non-family) about her clothes.
3) Opening door for your female date is a pure liberal American shtus. This “chivalry” business has no basis in Yiddishkeit.
4) Germs (and doesn’t pas for a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel)
5) I misunderstood your point. I take no position.
Certain elements will call me a “fanatic.” I’ll happily take my punches for whats right.
A Chareidi is someone who fully follows the Torah.
The terrible lack of Kibud Av V’Eim in our generation is appalling.
Why not consider strengthening (everyone can) your Avodas Hashem?
Stop all the intermingling going on, would certainly be a good first step.
Anyone who has the AZUS to besmirch a Gadol B’Torah like HaRav Belsky Shlita, needs their head checked out.
Refer this individual to a kallah teacher (giver her a #)
1) Inappropriate for a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel
2) Inappropriate for a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel
3) Inappropriate for a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel
4) Inappropriate for a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel
5) Inappropriate for a Ben Torah/Bas Yisroel
Its a confusing world out there.
cherrybim,
My sincere apologies that you find the Chofetz Chaim’s take on tznius objectionable.
milchig,
Because if they say koiferdik things about the Torah, or say loshon hora, or attack Rabbonim, or a whole host of reasons it may be not allowed to even hear what they say.
This topic should be made sticky/pinned.
I agree wholeheartedly!
Everyone on these forums should such a Sefer.
Fighting pritzus is where there is a problem? No one can fight it since someone calls it untzniusdik?? Fighting pritzus is a mitzvah for every man AND woman.
rabbi yanky, google the following sentence and look at the first result:
One of the questions we are asked frequently is whether a comma should go before the conjunction “and” in a series of three or more items.
rabbi, it took mariner as long as it takes to hit CTRL-C (copy) from getitwriteonline.com and CTRL-V (paste) to TheYeshivaWorld.com.
cantor, that must be a rare case indeed.
Glad you feel better. Now back to your pritzus. Advising you that its wrong is the right thing to do.
As repeatedly pointed out and discussed multiple times on this thread, the cited Mishna Berura is very clear that a JACKET is needed when davening in Shul. cherrybim may not like this and try to fardrei Mishna Berura as being “too complex too understand” since it is not to his liking, but it remains what it says in black and white.
mariner:
1. Yeshiva Chaim Berlin, Rav Hutner ZTV’L, and Rav Ahron are no Chasidim. They are Litvaks.
2. If you can pasken that hand-holding post-Chupa is not only permissable but mandatory, like some Litvaks do (and Chaim Berlin isn’t the only Litvish Roshei Yeshivos that hold this), then you have no taaina on the Mitzva Tantz. Arguing one is a “bigger madreiga” assur, is like arguing something is “partially Jewish.” Its all the same concept. Bottom line is, both are not only kosher but minhug k’halacha, so mandatory. So you lose. Period.
3. The Machzor Vitri IS where the minhug of the mitzvah tantz, as practiced today, comes from. It is based on Keitzad as specified in the machzor and includes alle minhugim as practiced byom hazeh.
4. At least most of those minhugim you mentioned, LONG LONG precede the Besht.
5. And these customs ARE from CHAZAL ZTV’L.
Finally, I’m not sure which mon and pop MT you’ve been to, but any true MT does not include making choizek. Indeed its all about holiness that the badchan talks about at the MT.
And if a Shul has a MINHUG to wear a Gartel, they have EVERY RIGHT to insist that any Shliach Tzibur in the Shul wears one.
cherryboy, For you unfortunately all doubt has long been removed regarding your tipshish.
cherrybim, “preys” on whom? His ex-son, the convert? If he preys on Jews I would tend to think anyone should keep away from him, not just his ex-son. In fact, preying on Jews would be one of the worries regarding a coverts EX-parents.
CHERRYBIM, alleviate your amaratzus I’ll re-point to you the Mishna Berura that requires a JACKET during davening that has been mentioned previously on this thread:
S’O Orach Chaim Hilchos Tefiloh, siman 91, sk 12 (megulah) [sk 4, mb 12 ?]
Mishnah Berurah 8:4, citing the Ba”ch, requires two head coverings. (Shulchan Aruch O”Ch 282:2)
Please learn it and report back!
CHERRYBIM, alleviate your amaratzus I’ll re-point to you the Mishna Berura that requires a JACKET during davening that has been mentioned previously on this thread:
Shulchan Orach chaim Hilchos Tefiloh, siman 91, sk 12 (megulah) [sk 4, mb 12 ?]
Mishnah Berurah 8:4, citing the Ba”ch, requires two head coverings
rabbiofberlin,
What kind of Rabbi are you? Pulpit? Or did you just use the title as a nice screen name??
Also, r u from the TIDE school of thought (as in kaj)? Is that what the Berlin (i.e. Yekkish) signifies?
As discussed here previously, the Mishna Berura is quite clear that a Jacket is REQUIRED by davening, talis or no talis. Those here trying to fardrei an excuse why they don’t do what they are supposed to, may justify it in their mind, but certainly have no excuse al pi din AND altz Kavod HaTorah.
cherrybim, The Torah makes quite clear (aside from the issue of Geirim) that we Yidden must keep our distance from the goyim. This point seems to give you heartburn and indigestion. I suggest you re-evaluate your priorities.
Pashuteh, Your logic in that is so faulty in that comment, it is unworthy of a respectable response.
And pashuteh, you then wonder why people don’t respect your comments, when you use subtle language to attack others? This is a constant theme of yours.
I submit that Jesse Jackson, the punk you refer to, is in your league.
Bowzer,
And if you admit you are doing something wrong it becomes okay? (Hey I kill people… but I never deny it! ) Bowzer, please take a step back, close your browser and keep it that way.
I don’t expect to see any response.
What makes someone a Chareidi? But of course – one must be approved by the Chareidi Board of Governors as a Jew-in-good-standing! Otherwise the person becomes a mere modern orthodox.
(Watch as Feif, Pashuteh, and lesschumras take this seriously and get all offended.)
Feif – Btw, if someone dresses like a traditional jew as opposed to dressing modernly, that is better dressed. Apologies in advance if such things offend you.
So mdlevine, you are neither pro-freikeit nor pro-frumkeit? A middle of the roader you say?
You know what happens to those in “middle of the road”? They get hit from both sides!
Look at YW’s archives. There were 2 asifas. Both men and women. Both have audio copies.
And whats the excuse for those lacking a JACKET by davening? NONE.
And this is especially problematic during SHACHRIS when some yodles put on a talis without any jacket.