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TLIK: The mesira issue is live and viable and has not been put to rest. It is a serious concern and consideration in all cases.
And mandated reporters are forbidden to report if it is mesira. And in some real cases it applies.
(“mesora” was a spell-checker [inaccurate] correction. It obviously should have read mesira. And it isn’t I who sees mesira as evil; the RBS”O declared so in His halachos.))
What I stated here and above is halachicly accurate and applicable.
June 8, 2021 10:18 am at 10:18 am in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1981100ujmParticipantCatholicVIsitor: Quite an interesting perspective. May I ask how you’re seemingly well familiar with the Orthodox Jewish communities? Also, how do you personally practice the issue being discussed here?
As far as the points you presented, I do think the the issues you highlighted as explaining why family sizes are continually dropping in mainstream society, namely contemporary society expecting women to go to college, make a living and be independent are essentially the same issue of women working outside the home. You’re just explaining the same thing in different words or examples and describing how women nowadays bring themselves towards that goal.
What happened to simply being a good old fashioned housewife? Or to use modern terminology, a stay-at-home mom.
June 8, 2021 9:53 am at 9:53 am in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1981060ujmParticipantJust to be clear, when women enter the workforce the calamitous declining fertility rate is only one of many social ills with negative effects on family life and on society in general. Let us certainly not forget the consequences to children who are born when their mothers are MIA from the home for large portions of the days.
ujmParticipantTLIK: Potential examples of mesora is reporting to, say, the police or to ACS (CPS). Lack of arrest does not make it not a mesora case, if the net result is the entity (police, CPS, etc.) will stick governmental power, even outside of detention or seizure of children, to make Jewish family lives miserable.
Suspicion of a crime that lacks knowledge thereof, does not permit disregarding the halachos of mesira.
At the very core, when the local non-Jewish laws mandate reporting (i.e. a mandated reporter) in insurances where the halachos of mesira are applicable and prohibit reporting, a Jew is bound by the halacha even though the secular law is otherwise.
ujmParticipantIndeed their is an obligation to ask a Posek a shaila before reporting to a government entity. And the OP is correct that it isn’t always done. But true frum therapists do ask first. And follow the Psak issued.
But, of course, it is vital before choosing a therapist to research through rabbomim if said therapist being considered asks shailos first. If not, one needs to find another therapist.
If the halacha is that it is forbidden to report a person, any Jewish therapist cannot report even if the secular law is otherwise, as halacha takes precedence when it is in conflict with non-Jewish laws. And in these matters it is certain there are times and cases where Jewish law and local non-Jewish laws disagree.
June 7, 2021 10:45 am at 10:45 am in reply to: why “early to bed, early to rise” and not “late to bed, late to rise”? #1980773ujmParticipantThe Kaf HaChaim writes that one hour of learning before dawn is equal to many hours of learning during the day (1,24). Nonetheless, the Rambam indicates that it is preferable to stay up late and learn during the night (Deos 4,4). Other authorities support this view and encourage going to sleep after midnight (Arugas HaBosem 1).
“It is better to sleep well at night than to cut back on sleep and be tired all day” (Taz, Even HaEzer 25,1).
ujmParticipantAll of the above.
ujmParticipantNetanyahu torpedoed the last government because it was getting time for him to step down as PM and give the reigns to Gantz. And one thing Netanyahu cannot fathom is playing second fiddle.
June 3, 2021 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm in reply to: Why do used car salesmen have a bad reputation? #1980102ujmParticipantCar mechanics often have an even worse reputation.
ujmParticipantReb Eliezer: Debrecin is Chasidish? Didn’t think so.
Participant: No mocking intended.
ujmParticipantThe consensus seems to be that the Yekkes have become Litvaks (Yeshivish), and the few remaining are slowly but surely moving in that direction as well.
Whereas the Oberlanders have more or less become Chasidish.
That seems to indicate the Ashkenazic world is basically coalescing around the two big hashkafic kehilos: Yeshivish/Litvish and Chasidish.
ujmParticipant@Participant Thank you for participating in this thread and adding your two dollars (after inflation) worth.
ujmParticipantHere’s a blatantly plagiarized joke from almost a decade ago. Five points to whoever guesses who posted it (without cheating):
You can tell everything by observing a kiddush.
The people scarfing down herring and kichel are chassidish
The people with a cup of vodka in each hand are Lubavitch
The litvak is the one with cholent and kugel on his plate, but waiting for it to turn stone cold
The ungarish oiberlanders are the ones who have their kugel on fancy plates.
The unterlanders are licking the crumbs from the kichel off the table
If there are any sephardim, which would be unusual, they are the ones being served by their wives and/or children
The yekkes are the ones who are sitting at the table with one cookie
ujmParticipantYseribus: That explanation doesn’t make sense. All mesoras or kehilos transmits through the sons. Daughters always follow their husband. That isn’t unique to Yekkes. Furthermore, if the sons would continue the mesora, then the population following these sets of minhagim would continue to grow as each son has, on average, multiple sons of their own. Obviously that isn’t happening.
ujmParticipantThe problem is the Likud refuses to put up another member other than Netanyahu as their PM candidate. If they’d do so right now, you’d have a right wing government led by Likud.
ujmParticipantLostspark: German Jews (and their descendants.) But, as squeak would add, not all German Jews.
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Which raises the question, for those Yekkes who stopped giving their Bar Mitzvah bochorim a Talis, have they also started waiting six hours, instead of three hours, between fleishigs and milichigs?ujmParticipantFor our newly identified Yekkes here, as well as those who proudly wear the label on their sleeve, is their any truth to smerel’s above contention that today’s generation of Yekke parents only donned the Talis as a bochor out of respect for their father’s (rather than from their own volition), but they don’t enrobe their own Bar Mitzvah bochor’lech with a Talis?
ujmParticipantSuddenly all the Yekkes are coming out of the woodwork.
ujmParticipantThe seforimblog isn’t reliable.
ujmParticipantEt tu, squeak?
ujmParticipantIs there a cure to hoarding? Has it been proven effective for most hoarders?
ujmParticipantsmerel: Since when does a bochor get to pick and choose which minhagim to follow or discard?
Although, what you’re saying might also apply to the Oberlanders. They, too, there seems to be much less of over the last 20-30 years.
ujmParticipantLF: That reminds me of Feivel’s old joke: A Chosid and a Yekke were getting married. The Chupa started exactly 15 minutes late.
ujmParticipantEvery Jew a .22. Take your concealed weapon with you to Yeshiva.
Kahana Chai
ujmParticipantThe halacha is that you cannot sharpen them if they’re not yours — unless you have permission.
If they’re your pencils, the halacha is you may sharpen them any of the six first days of the week. Unless the day is a Yom Tov.
ujmParticipantYiddish is Yidden’s common tongue. As such, the only “control board” that exists are the hundreds of thousands Yiddish speakers. As they use the language, it makes it a living language.
ujmParticipantYiddish is Yidden’s common tongue. As such, the only “control board” that exists are the hundreds of thousands Yiddish speakers. As they use the language, it makes it a living language.
ujmParticipantKalman Zechariah Eibish.
ujmParticipantPresident Ronald Reagan was the greatest American president since President Teddy Roosevelt. No one has come close since.
Joe Biden is the new Jimmy Carter.
ujmParticipantIt isn’t the Torah view.
ujmParticipantFish juice, fish juice and fish juice. (Or, as some call it, fish sauce.)
ujmParticipantGershom Scholem is not a credible source.
May 26, 2021 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm in reply to: Why Are We Complicit In Violence Against Jews? #1977641ujmParticipantAll of the AP’s competitors are as bad as they.
ujmParticipantHow was the environment unsuitable for Bnei Torah?
May 26, 2021 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1977619ujmParticipantAnd let’s not forget part one of this tragedy. Namely, mother’s abandoning a large portion of motherhood for the sake of a “career” outside the home. Leaving the innocent children home with who-knows-which cleaning lady babysitting and, effectively, bringing up her children for a large portion of their childhood, with the mother MIA from the home for a large part of the week.
May 26, 2021 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm in reply to: an unremarkable and unknown person from England died #1977608ujmParticipantSo sad that William was vaccinated.
ujmParticipantWith President Trump proven correct, yet again on another issue the leftists mocked him for, or certainly now proven incorrect that those denying the origination of the Wuhan Coronavirus was from a Chinese lab, will the media and their leftist politician supporters apologize? Don’t count on them doing the right thing.
May 26, 2021 9:59 am at 9:59 am in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1977526ujmParticipantTo those responding in denial that this issue hasn’t grievously affected the frum communities, simply look at the prewar size of our own families. Whether you shtam from Litvish stock in Lithuania or Russia or whether you shtam from Chasidic stock from Hungary or Poland or whether your yichus is from the rich Sefardish cultures in Syria and Morocco, in the lifetimes of our grandparents or great-grandparents having 10-12 children in a family was the norm.
ujmParticipantAt Masbia.
May 24, 2021 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976965ujmParticipantYseribus: Where does Shas and Rishonim ever mention practicing birth control in a favorable sense?
May 24, 2021 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976895ujmParticipantThat’s a misnomer. Families have babies because the Bore Olam gave them babies; and they didn’t reject what offered. Having less babies by rejecting nature as offered to you by the RBS”O is a relatively new phenomenon that was in previous generations never even a consideration.
May 24, 2021 12:23 am at 12:23 am in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976686ujmParticipantA woman’s place is in the home. The feminists certainly don’t like hearing that truth spoken. But it absolutely is a Torah and Halachic truth that is a very central fact of human nature and society itself.
Shulchan Aruch (73:1): A man must give his wife clothing like women normally wear outside. A woman should not go outside much. The beauty of a woman is to stay inside – “Kol Kevudah…”
May 23, 2021 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976478ujmParticipantAmil: I would suggest you’re greatly mistaken. We have influence over social policy (via our electeds, etc.) that affects this issue as much as other citizens. This is a societal issue.
May 23, 2021 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976454ujmParticipantYaakov: Good catch; but a perfect freudian slip for this conversation.
May 23, 2021 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976417ujmParticipantn0mesorah: Seriously, you think that social influences over the last half century have no bearing on the unfortunately rapidly declining fertility rate?
May 23, 2021 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976386ujmParticipantakuperma: Furthermore, the tremendous gains in longevity, health, medicine and education as well as the technological improvements resulting in less work in the home in no way whatsoever mandate or somehow require people to choose to reduce their fertility rate.
Indeed, the very factors you cite make it all the more possible to have the naturally higher rate of fertility designed and graciously offered by the Ribono Shel Olam. It should not be rejected.
May 23, 2021 10:25 am at 10:25 am in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976371ujmParticipanthuju: It took me about 10 or 15 minutes to write this. It’s an unpaid, unhelped, original; if you like it I’m available for future articles on contemporary societal issues.
May 23, 2021 10:25 am at 10:25 am in reply to: Women Entering the Workforce and the Calamitous Declining Fertility Rate Effect #1976374ujmParticipantakuperma: You don’t recognize the significant problems resulting from an aging population where the demographic population of the old are rapidly reaching the tipping point of outnumbering the young?
May 22, 2021 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm in reply to: Market for Jewish Books: Substance vs. Fluff #1976225ujmParticipantRav Moshe writes in the Igros that it shouldn’t be translated.
ujmParticipantYou’d be much better off encouraging your kids to listen to Rav Chaim Kanievsky.
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