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Sadly, Moshiach didn’t come last week as we hoped and expected
But he WILL be here this week!
Yid1818: HaRav Moshe Shternbuch shlita.
I only wear religious clothing.
Chaim: Why aren’t you equally vocal and outspoken in your, presumed, opposition to Jews shopping in Macy’s, Kohl’s, Target, Walmart, Old Navy, etc., where they have terrible pruste images plastered all over the store and on their websites, and where employees and shoppers milling about in the store are dressed horribly?
Imagine The Donald cashing out just 17% of his holdings in Truth Social today. (The Board of Directors, which he controls, could authorize him selling early.)
That would mean $1 Billion in cash. He’d still have another $5 Billion in Truth Social shares after cashing out $1 Billion.
And then he can pump that $1 Billion into his 2024 presidential campaign.
Truth Social has been having some beautiful rallies on the market in the last few weeks. The Donald’s stake, alone, is now worth $6 Billion. That’s not accounting for the billions he’s worth outside of Truth Social.
As far as the short sellers of Truth Social are concerned? So far this year they’ve lost $216 million.
Chaim87: Have you ever gone around the internet posting comments demanding all Yidden working in goyishe workplaces immediately quit, since they are around shiktzas dressed immodestly?
You should also be demanding that Yidden never attend professional sports games as it isn’t permitted to be meschaber and join goyim who don’t observe to Torah, as you put it.
Shelo Asani Isha should be made with the same simcha, with the same kavana, with the same intensity, with the same love, and with the same thankfulness as you make on Shelo Asani Goy and Shelo Asani Eved and on every other brocha during Birchas Hashachar.
“When will Jews get SERIOUS about stopping this very dangerous evil?”
First get serious about stopping the Open Orthodox.
First get serious about stopping the Reform.
First get serious about stopping the Conservative.
First get serious about stopping the Reconstructionist.
First get serious about stopping the secular.
First get serious about stopping the Avoda Zora worshippers (in churches across the country).All of these are much more very dangerous evils than that of which you worry yourself about.
“Well as I view it as a particularly unfortunate bracha”
Haolam: There’s nothing “unfortunate” whatsoever about this Brocha. Baruch Hashem we all have the great Zchus to make this Brocha will 100% kavana seven days a week, weekdays, Shabbosim and Yomim Tovim; every day of our lives from childhood through old age.
The Broacha, absolutely, was instituted by Chazal as “a conscious effort to ensure its underlying belief would remain for millennia”, as you so succinctly put it. This is a bakasha that we absolutely are proud of.
There are numerous holocaust survivors, who were in the Feldafing DP camp in Germany after the war, testified to this story of the Klausenberger Rebbe occurring in Feldafing/
“Jews have no problem changing their clothes. Just look at sephardi youth in Lakewood and other towns – they wear black cylinders and fully abandoned their traditional turbans and kefyiahs (which may be a good decision in current political environment). Why are they so quick to abandon their traditions? And why are their Ashkenazi bruders not telling them to keep their indigenous traditions? An Iraqi dresssing up as a Litvish is as funny as a Yekke dressing up as a Ungarishe.”
AAQ: Why aren’t you as concerned as above, and as vocal as above, regarding the other Sefardim who have, as you put it, abandoned their traditional turbans and instead walk around without any kind of hat altogether. Better to swap one kind of hat (i.e. a turban) for another kind of hat (i.e. a fedora), which you protest, than to abandon a head covering (i.e. a turban) for nothing at all, leaving their head mainly unhatted — something you do not protest.
And on the same token, why your failure to protest the Modern Orthodox running around hatless (and often jacketless, as well), having abandoned their traditional (what you refer to as) black cylinders that their grandparents, great-grandparents and earlier all used to cover their heads.
Migrate to America.
dbrim: Don;t confuse Eretz Yisroel with the State of Israel. They’re two very different things. Eretz Yisroel includes parts of Lebanon, Israel and Jordan.
In turn all three — Lebanon, Israel and Jordan are partially in Chutz L’aaretz and partially in Eretz Yisroel.
And all three — Lebanon, Israel and Jordan — are secular, non-Jewish, anti-Torah entities.
Evalimoshavlo: Since 1948, the State of Israel has, consistently, been the most dangerous place for Jews to live. Jews in Russia have been safer, since 1948, than Jews in Israel.
Do you realize how many tens or hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens have actively and specifically procured for themselves and for their families foreign passports from countries in Europe, South America and North America, in case they ever need to escape from the so-called “safe haven” allegedly provided by the Zionist State?
Never forget that Israel in in Golus.
cousin sue: Interesting points.
Chareidim have been around since, either, Avrohom Avinu or Moshe Rabbeinu; depending whether you start counting from pre-Matan Torah or post-Matan Torah.
What is today called Chareidism is what used to be called Judaism; much as what is today called Orthodoxy is what used to be called Judaism. They are simply the default Judaism that never broke away. When the Reform broke off, the new movement called the original Judaism — Orthodox; when the MO broke into their own movement, they called the original Judaism — UO/Chareidi.
Clothing don’t make the man; I have no idea why you are harping on how who dressed when, when attempting to make artificial distinctions between how Jews dressed before the Reform and/or MO versus thereafter. Clothing changes over time; that has nothing to do with the practice of Judaism.
That being said, what absolutely is true is that Jews dress as Jews, even if what it means to dress as a Jew may change with time. Practicing, observant , Jews do not dress as the Gentiles. Just as the Navy uniform was different 200 years ago from 100 years ago, and again 100 years ago from today, doesn’t mean that they aren’t the same Navy. If a Sailor today decided to toss today’s Navy uniform for that of what the Navy wore 100 years ago or 200 years ago, it won’t help his defense at his court martial when he defends himself saying he was wearing the original Navy uniform.
A Jew, too, needs to dress in the uniform of the Jew today.
And with that, let’s conclude by pointing out that the mode of dress of Chareidim such as the Vilna Gaon and his Talmidim who settled in Ottoman Palestine as well as Chareidim such as the Talmidim of the Baal Shem Tov who settled in Ottoman Palestine, (all of whom continued their presence in Eretz Yisroel into the British period and the Zionist period) as well as how Chareidim like Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld dressed both in the Ottoman period and in the British period, are easily recognizable and comparable as how Chareidim dress today during the Zionist period.
The Zionist Dream was stillborn. It was DOA from the outset.
No money, no Prozac?
whitecar: Yes, I absolutely do believe Moshiach will be here within days. And, yes, I have a suitcase ready to roll with my basic necessities.
If you don’t like to live under Zionist regime, you are free to move to Islamic enclaves
Chareidim have been in Eretz Yisroel long before the Zionists, Zionism and their State. Indeed, long before Zionism even existed. And Chareidim will remain in Eretz Yisroel long after Zionism, and their State, is gone.
We lived under the Ottoman and British regimes so we can live under the Zionists regime — until they go the way of the Ottoman Empire and British Empire.
The Zionists are, of course, free to move out to Uganda — their first choice for a State.
whitecar: My response answered your question precisely.
Rocky:
Israel is not currently a theocracy in which we will be able to create laws based on pesukim or statements of chazal.
Which is wrong. It should be a Jewish theocracy. We don’t dismiss the wrongdoings against Jews by Czarist Russia or the Soviet Union because it isn’t a theocracy or a Jewish state. Neither should we dismiss the wrongdoings of the non-Jewish zionist entity simply because it isn’t a theocracy.
1) The country needs an army to exist.
Chareidim didn’t ask for this country. We lived in Eretz Yisroel before the zionists and before their state. The zionists created this disaster of a state that now has been under constant unending attacks for 75+ years. They need to deal with the mess they made.
2) The country is made up of a majority of people who either do not view Torah learning as a valid form of protecting the country
And they are dead wrong. There is no reason to change our position and the truth simply because the majority of people have a wrongheaded and incorrect view.
3) The current concept of exemption for full-time learners (i.e the status quo) was created as half-hearted concession at a time when the situation was totally different than today (400 vs 66,000)
There’s no reason to reduce what so-called “concession”; indeed, there’s every reason to increase and enlarge than “concession”.
4) There is no way of knowing numbers, but there are many chareidim who are gaming the system and not really learning full time but still take advantage of exemptions
Baruch Hashem for that. No Chareidi should be in the army. Even if they are a full time baal haboss working full-time. Let them find every loophole that works, even not as designed, to avoid an army full of pritzus.
5) There are many in the general Israeli population who have grown angrier and angrier at the Chareidi population because of issues 2,3 & 4 and also because of the money given to yeshivas. The war has exacerbated this anger and the PR response from the charedim has not helped.
5) There are many in the Chareidi population who have grown angrier and angrier at the Chiloni population because of the answers given to issues 2,3 & 4 and also because of the money given to Israeli universities and sports leagues. The Chiloni hate-mongering has exacerbated this anger and the PR response from the Chilonim has not helped.
Refusing to negotiate in any way will only last for a short time.
There’s nothing to negotiate. If they want to impose a non-negotiated draft against Bnei Yeshiva, they should start building new prisons to house tens of thousands of Yeshivaleit who will become draft-dodgers who will choose prison over the zionist army.
if that means cutting short the vacation time (which is much longer than the rest of the working population), might be a good start.
Sure. Cut back vacation time of soldiers.
Even a well placed “thank you” would go a long way
The Bnei Torah have long been waiting for that “thank you” from the chilonim. It would, indeed, be a good start.
Mnay within this same majority are resentful of the chareidim
A majority of the world is antisemitic; are you suggesting we accommodate their antisemitism since they are a majority? A plurality of the world is Christian; are you suggesting Yidden accommodate Christian minhagim?
Why so long?? I expect Moshiach to be here in three days.
“UJM-I think you are confusing the issues. Your point about effort is true but only in regards to heavenly reward.”
Rocky: What basis do you have to say it is only applicable regarding “heavenly reward” and that it is inapplicable otherwise? Where do you see such a differentiation in the seforim hakedoshim? Please provide such sources.
In New York, I would say 90% of the Matzahs are whole.
It’s probably the interstate (or international) shipping.
The fact that this thread exists gives the so-called NK a victory. Every time YWN and others run a story, they notch another victory.
AAQ: I don’t know who he is or, better, who he is to disagree with Chazal. And whether he “had a different opinion” or not, no one else is subject to follow his “different opinion”.
I am not focusing on community support; in fact I made no mention or reference to it. explicit or implicit, in my earlier comments. But since you raised it now, there’s no reason I see why the community might choose to not support both the hypothetical aforementioned masmidim I described.
Regarding army service or kollel service, which in your eyes you disingenuously equate, and in fact explicitly refer to above, as simply “not working”, absolutely. Chazal are abundantly clear that in regards to Limud Torah effort is all that counts. Ben Torah #1, who as described above, spends his whole day learning and it takes him one full month to master one pasuk in Bereishis puts in 9 hours a day swaeting over his Chumash, every day, until he finally finishes one pasuk after a month. Compared to Ben Torah #2, who masters a new Mesechta with Rashi, Tosfos and all the Meforshim every month, but let’s say he “only” learns 5 hours a day, and for him its all a breeze as Shas and Meforshim come easily to him even without much effort, so he takes some extra coffee breaks and shmoozes more than Ben Torah #1 (the one who does a pasuk a month). Then Ben Torah #1 is much more worthy than Ben Torah #2 (with his mastering a new mesechta each month) and Ben Torah #1 is most definitely more worthy (than Ben Torah #2) to be in the Beis Medrash full time each day, with no army service, or as you would put it “not working”, and Ben Torah #1 is doing far more to protect every Jew in Eretz Yisroel (and elsewhere) than Ben Torah #2 (who is also doing a lot for Klal Yisroel.)
If I could only support one of the above, my check will definitely be going to Ben Torah #1. And if I could only choose one whose learning will be a Zchus for my family’s safety, it would also be Ben Torah #1.
AAQ: I don’t know who he is or, better, who he is to disagree with Chazal. And whether he “had a different opinion” or not, no one else is subject to follow his “different opinion”.
I am not focusing on community support; in fact I made no mention or reference to it. explicit or implicit, in my earlier comments. But since you raised it now, there’s no reason I see why the community might choose to not support both the hypothetical aforementioned masmidim I described.
Regarding army service or kollel service, which in your eyes you disingenuously equate, and in fact explicitly refer to above, as simply “not working”, absolutely. Chazal are abundantly clear that in regards to Limud Torah effort is all that counts. Ben Torah #1, who as described above, spends his whole day learning and it takes him one full month to master one pasuk in Bereishis puts in 9 hours a day swaeting over his Chumash, every day, until he finally finishes one pasuk after a month. Compared to Ben Torah #2, who masters a new Mesechta with Rashi, Tosfos and all the Meforshim every month, but let’s say he “only” learns 5 hours a day, and for him its all a breeze as Shas and Meforshim come easily to him even without much effort, so he takes some extra coffee breaks and shmoozes more than Ben Torah #1 (the one who does a pasuk a month). Then Ben Torah #1 is much more worthy than Ben Torah #2 (with his mastering a new mesechta each month) and Ben Torah #1 is most definitely more worthy (than Ben Torah #2) to be in the Beis Medrash full time each day, with no army service, or as you would put it “not working”, and Ben Torah #1 is doing far more to protect every Jew in Eretz Yisroel (and elsewhere) than Ben Torah #2 (who is also doing a lot for Klal Yisroel.)
If I could only support one of the above, my check will definitely be going to Ben Torah #1. And if I could only choose one whose learning will be a Zchus for my family’s safety, it would also be Ben Torah #1.
Chag Sameach!
AAQ; Limud Torah isn’t limited to abilities. A masmid who spends his whole day learning, every day, and it takes him one full month to master one pasuk in Bereishis — even before getting to Rashi — is just as entitled to dedicate his life to full time Limud Torah as the next masmid who masters a new Mesechta — with Rashi, Tosfos and all the Meforshim — every month.
And both the aforementioned masmidim ‘s Limud Torah are equally effective at protecting every Jew across the world from any harm.
Mr. Weissman isn’t the smartest cookie on the block. Years ago he used to (infrequently) post here in the coffee room the same narishkeit he posts to his blog.
Avira, in fairness, I know of some very big Rebbes/Tazadikim who made their minyan (i.e. at least 9 people besides themselves) very much outside the normative zmanim.
Dofi: We have just as much right to being disgusted at soldiers for taking a few weeks off duty, as they are disgusted at Bnei Torah leaving Yeshiva for a few weeks bein hazmanim — when the Bnei Torah are anyways still learning Torah even outside the Yeshiva.
But in reality the chilonim are disguised at Bnei Torah for being *in* Yeshiva; not at them taking a few weeks *off*. They demand Bnei Torah leave the Yeshiva altogether to join the zionist army whose reputation throughout the world is of its mixed gender immorality and carnal depravity.
Dofi: According to you, the Chareidim who are dedicated their entire lives, morning, noon and nights learning Torah Hakedosha every day, to defend Jews against bloodthirsty terrorists have no right to be critical of the chilonim who are not doing so. They should somehow realize that their efforts are really accomplishing nothing and only the chilonim’s army service is worth anything, despite their taking time off duty and going on furlough.
Rocky: Please correct me if I am wrong but you seem to imply that —
1) Limud Torah is just a silly invention like studying Egyptology created by the Chareidim to dodge the draft and is not really necessary at all since the people who are in the army are all the protection we need
2) The Chilonim owe zero hakoras hatov to those who dedicate their lives to Limud Torah because they had no business becoming full time masmidim anyways (refer to point #1)
3) Having a full Kollel is not really a form of hishtadlus or at best it is overkill. After all who needs more than one security guard to protect a bank vault or more than one person to study Egyptology?
4) Jews learning in Kollel is just some 20th-century Chareidi creation. We do not see anywhere in Jewish history that Jews learn Torah so much. And if they did they were bad people who should have been in the Czar’s Army or whichever Army that was protecting the country they were living in.
“The existence of Eretz Yisroel is a daily neis.”
Eretz Yisroel has existed, continuously non-stop, for the last 5,784 years.
“The last 75 years have seen less Jews killed than any other time in history since the first Beis Hamikdosh.”
In chutz la’aretz that’s true. But in Eretz Yisroel more Jews have been killed in the last 75 years than in any time in history since the Churban Bayis Sheini.
“More Torah and yeshivos than ever before.”
This is also true in chutz la’aretz. However much exists in Eretz Yisroel is zero thanks to the zionist anti-Torah government. Orthodox Jews in Israel pay more money to the State in taxes than they receive in Yeshiva funding. The State gives far far more funding, both in real dollars and in percentages, to secular universities than to Yeshivos. The Yeshiva system we do have in Eretz Yisroel (as well as in chutz la’aretz) is exclusively because of the efforts of Gedolei Yisroel.
Rocky: Your logic highlights one major flaw in the message put out by the chiloni world. Just because you have a certain belief and appreciation of the military, having an elitist and disconnected mentality will not draw the other person closer to your way of thinking. Your argument goes something like
“Why don’t the Chareidim appreciate our military? Don’t they know that military protects the Jews?!
No, they don’t. They value enlisting in the military as much as a security guard protecting the bank vault.HaLeiVi and all: You do agree, don’t you, that it was a Neis that America defeated Iraq twice, first in the Persian Gulf War and then again in the Iraq War in 2003, and that it was a Neis that America won the Korean War (stopping the North from taking the South) and Panama (Operation Just Cause) were all great Nissim.
Right?
DaMoshe: I asked two people who were at that Agudah convention. Both said it is a complete bubbe maaisa. One of them actually started laughing when told this “story”.
Sechel: What intention? He doesn’t know what a mitzvah even is and his knowledge of Tefilin is what he saw on television.
Half of those saying they’re Jewish aren’t even Jewish.
“Wouldn’t that also send a message to the chilonim that the Bnei Yeshivos are taking this war (and sharing the burden) seriously?”
Let the chilonim first send a message to the Torah community that they are taking this war seriously and sharing the burden by spending some time in the Beis Medrash.
Then we can talk.
AAQ: Why do you think that citing an open Chazal in the Gemorah is “shtuyos”? Just because you disagree with that Chazal doesn’t make is shtuyos.
Did any of the tziyonim here yet acknowledge that they were peddling a bubble maaisa about Rav Yaakov saying at the Agudah convention that he changed his mind from supporting the Satmar Rebbe’s view to opposing it in response to what the “askan” Itchie Meyer Levin said?
AAQ: The Gemorah says one of the reasons was because the woman went outside non-tzniusdik.
How is putting Tefilin on random people in the streets of St. Louis, New Orleans, Winnipeg, Albuquerque or even Manhattan, who may possibly be Jewish, “kiruv”?
These random folks on the street are doing it for the “experience” or fun, with no intention of doing anything more in the future.
Big deal. Trump is worth multi-billions more today, as a result of Truth Social, than the multi-billions he was worth before Truth Social.
Reb Yaakov held very highly of the views of the Satmar Rebbe.
Don’t forget that it was the Zionists who *lost* Jewish access to the Kosel in 1948. Until 1948 Yidden were able to go to the Kosel.