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“Especially nlwas6, as AAQ wrote – the pitfalls of batalah mayviah lidei znus/shigaon are worse than the chisaron of being “out” a lot.”

One of the primary reasons halacha mandates women not be out of the home a lot, is to reduce znus.

ymr: Did you really completely misconstrue and utterly misinterpret akuperma’s comment or did you purposelessly misstate it to suit your anti-frum agenda?

Does anyone know whether in prewar Europe there was a general age gap? I would tend to assume that both the Choson and Wallah were generally teenagers about the same age.

The entire corpus of halachic Seforim *explicitly* define Kol Kevuda Bas Melech Penima as meaning that a woman’s place is at home and that she shouldn’t leave it too much. Shulchan Aruch and Rambam, the foundations of Psak, say so. This isn’t in dispute.

Are R: You seem to be subtly making some presumptions. A) How can this even be accurately determined? B) Is it a given that in the Jewish community more boys are born? C) Perhaps the Jewish death rate is no different between the genders (the male non-Jewish world suffers from drug overdoses and other ailments rare in the Jewish world) D) Perhaps there are more “unmarriageable” girls than boys? E) Perhaps the greater OTD rare is by girls? F) Perhaps more male BTs than females? G) Boys have a halachic obligation to marry whereas girls do not.

Maran HaGaon HaRav Yosef Shalom Elyashiv zt’l said not long before his petira, when he saw the real-world problems with invalid gittin (me’usa), that Klal Yisroel may come to a point where a central Yichus Registry will be necessary to be established.

Avira, what kind of Shidduch Crisis do the Chasidim have? The age gap issue isn’t much of a thing by the Chasidim.

Are R: Who is LIBBY?

If what you’re saying is accurate (never married single girls marrying divorced guys, etc), the attention brought by the age gap public relations campaign seems to have made the disadvantage girls have in shidduchim even greater.

Can you share what this “Torah B’tahara” initiative is all about and who it is targeting?

I think it is indisputable that the Jewish “haves” are very much supporting the Jewish “have-nots” to a very large degree. To a degree that is incomparable to any other ethnicity. Charity is deeply ingrained and strongly practiced, in large dollar amounts, throughout the Jewish world.

It is also a feature of Jewish charity to support others to the level they are accustomed to. To the point that Jewish law states that if a wealthy person becomes poor, the charity he thereafter receives should bring him back to his comfort level he was used to when he was wealthy.

Note that there’s a big distinction between a six figure family annual income, when counting multiple earners, versus a six figure salary. The original topic here concerns a six figure income earned annually by one earner. If there are two full time workers in the family, each earning $50k/year, that’ll technically be a six figure annual family income. But earning $50k with full time employment in today’s world isn’t saying much.

If the average frum family is underwater, how do you explain that Flatbush, Monsey, Lakewood, Kiryas Yoel, Boro Park, etc. doesn’t look like a rundown neighborhood in poverty, like you might experience in ethnic minority neighborhoods?

Similarly, many convicted in that same timeframe (~1980s) of sexual abuse of children, and duly imprisoned, turned out to be false convictions based on prosecution psychologists induced false recalled memories in the children.

Yseribus: You make good points. Keep in mind that in American courts today, they routinely convict without definitive proof.