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Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT’L denounced college in a Teshuva, and in a famous speech delivered to his students, published under the title “The Counsel of the Wicked” (Vaad LeHaromas Keren HaTorah, New York, 1978). There he reiterates that everyone has an obligation to become great in Torah, we should not care so much about Cadillac’s (yes, this was said in the “olden days”), and that learning Torah is what we should be pursuing, not secular stuff. He says in America you do not need college to make a Parnassa, and we should be willing to live on little, not a lot, for the sake of Torah, and that R. Nehuray’s statement of abandoning all skills in favor of Torah applies all that more today that we live in a country where you can make a parnassa without college, with no miracles needed.
There is a tape available in many Seforim stores called “The prohibition to learn in Colleges” (Yiddish), which contains addresses by Rav Moshe Feinstein ZT’L and Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L condemning college.
Regarding secular studies in high school, the only reasons it is allowed is either because education is mandated by State Law (in New York it is until age 17), or simply because if they did not have high school education in the Yeshivas, parents would simply send their kids to worse places to get it.
But it is definitely looked upon not as a l’chatchilah, but rather as something that is annoyingly necessary in the current environment.
Today, there are a number of High Schools in America – particularly in Lakewood – that do not teach English. Also, many Yeshivos do try to reduce the amount of secular studies as much as possible, through knocking out the last semester of English, and a number of kids are leaving HS early to enter Bais Medrash.
Rav Chaim Segal ZT’L, the Menahel of the High School at Yeshiva Chaim Berlin was once told by Rav Shach ZT’L that if possible, he should not be teaching English studies. In Eretz Yisroel, almost all Chareidi Yeshivos do not have English at that age. Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L made some kind of commitment not to allow English studies on the HS level in Lakewood. The exact details, and if this was actually a Takanah or merely a preference, is not clear and depends who you ask. In any case, Rabbi Elya Svei, Rosh Yeshiva of Philadelphia and a student of Rav Aharon’s, was asked why he allows English in Philly if Rav Aharon was against it. What difference can there be between the town of Lakewood NJ and Philadelphia PA? Reb Elya answered that he has no choice, and that currently, the Baalei Batim would not send their kids to the Yeshiva except under these circumstances.
Is any of this the ideal? No. It is not. Is it justified? The schools say it is, as they have no choice. But the point is not what the Jews do, its what Judaism wants. Everyone agrees that it would be a higher level, a preferable situation if we would indeed not learn English even at the HS level, at least not beyond what is necessary to survive. Nobody claims it is an ideal.
Because Yidden are focused on a Torah education. Secular Ed is done, at most, to fulfill governments mandates. Otherwise we’d spend even more time on Torah and less on secular.
Avira, are the sure about your first comment here? hello99 is a choshuve long time Rov in Eretz Yisroel and has an excellent handle on these issues.
Shimon, what resolution worked for you?
Hebrew National has been under Triangle-K for many decades, already.
AAQ, if I’m reading the map correctly, New Orleans, Louisiana is on this side of the Mississippi.
Arizona
Avi: Would you eat Triangle-K meat (i.e. Hebrew National)? Triangle-K dairy?
If not, what are they doing wrong?
New Hampshire.
The Democrats won’t let Hillary have the opportunity to lose for them again.
She definitely is itching to run, though. She never got over her historic loss.
Seeing the title, I got scared coffee addict sighted Yogi.
Then we’d have had the Elvis situation all over again.
Reb Eliezer, if Hechsher X was actually around, would your statement be Loshon Hora or would it be proper for you to say that l’toeles?
Manhattan, Brooklyn and the Bronx used to be mostly farmland with lots of wide open spaces, wooded areas, much fewer people. Now it has all these big building with lots of people after they became “over-developed”.
Some people who lived in old Manhattan and Brooklyn also complained about its over-development.
That’s the normal course of life with natural population growth requiring the building up of rural areas into urban areas.
Home tests aren’t valid for proof to enter a country.
Urgent Care
Democrat Congresspeople in both the Senate and in the House certainly have voted to not recognize the Republican president who won the electoral college in election years prior to 2016.
Shimon and Levi were punished by Yaakov Avinu.
Over-development increases the deer population?
Besalel: What’s your source for that?
We can take our own chevra of 5 or 10 guys to cull the deers.
Anyone wanting to join us please post below.
There are only three posters in the coffee room. You, me and one other poster. All other screen names are my alter egos.
Rav Moshe ztl has a teshuva on how to deal with Carlebach, given his sinful ways.
Slifkin is an open apikorus.
boruchbrown: Having a license, even with all the regulatory roadblocks and processes, is no heter to have Yichud.
Syag, There’s no evidence that licensed therapists commit less abuse than unlicensed therapists.
Trained/licensed therapists are also liable to commit abuse.
PI: There’s no heter to violate Yichud.
PI: Do you understand the definition of “INDIVIDUAL”?
My little sleep is taken in catnaps. As I’m learning I sometimes doze off. I usually wake a litter bit later and continue learning where I left off.
My earlier comment was an approximation of my average total sleep time per day.
AAQ: And people who over-eat should, per your argument, be charged higher insurance and forced to pay for medical expenses resulting from obesity.
ymr: You missed my point. No one is obligated to take any medical injection in order to improve the health system.
I can only share jokes that aren’t funny.
How are you so sure that it isn’t around today?
Three hours. On a wooden platform. With no pillow.
ymr: No one is obligated to put chemicals into their body for the good of the national healthcare system.
AAQ: Is it not okay to tell people that “Hechsher X” I do not consider reliable?
Mendel was niftar close to ten years ago, I think. You could always find him hitching rides.
There’s an article about Boro Park in the New York Times 14 years ago, titled In the Land of Black Coats, that mentions David Sondik.
When was Yankel Feferkorn niftar??
TLIK: That seems reasonable. Especially if the pop-in always occurs at a random time during every (opposite gender) session.
I’d still say it much preferable to use a same gender therapist. But if that’s impossible, the setup you describe seems sufficient.
Unfortunately I don’t think most therapists use what your friend does.
hello99: WB. It’s been a very long time…
Triangle-K isn’t accepted in regular frum homes.
So we are back to square one: there appears to be no heter for a therapist and patient to have Yichud. Often there’s no one else in the waiting room; and even if there is a secretary or another patient, everyone is aware that no one may enter the closed (even if not locked) door with the therapist and opposite gender patient.
I’d also like to thank n0m for having accepted (based on his Shtika K’hodaah) my last comment on this thread in our discussion of a Titanic-like situation. N0m, if you at any time in the future have any follow up questions or comments on that discussion, please start a new thread with a proper descriptive title (rather than this off-topic tangent) so that I’ll notice your question or comment, that I’ll likely miss noticing in this thread.
Britain just left one union; it seems rather doubtful they’d soon join another one, on the other side of the pond — to boot.
Rebbe Meir was correct and proper for testing Bruria (a test that she failed.) The Gemorah is nothing but complimentary of Rebbe Meir. If there had been any reason to be critical of Rebbe Meir for, the Gemorah would have voiced such criticism. There was none.
“and other members of staff may enter at any time.”
That could work by a physical doctor. But a therapist generally don’t allow anyone to enter the room with them patient in therapy.
In fact, many of the above guidelines work with a physician but are inapplicable by a therapists where often there usually isn’t even anyone in the waiting room. And even if there is a secretary or someone, they know they cannot enter the room with the therapist and the patient.
“and other members of staff may enter at any time.”
That could work by a physical doctor. But a therapist generally don’t allow anyone to enter the room with them patient in therapy.
In fact, many of the above guidelines work with a physician but are inapplicable by a therapists where often there usually isn’t even anyone in the waiting room. And even if there is a secretary or someone, they know they cannot enter the room with the therapist and the patient.
There are two very different hechsheirim in Eretz Yisroel that use the name Chasam Sofer.
Gadol: If there’s a lack of Gedolim, I’ll reluctantly accept the yoke of that title and responsibility. Just give me a few days to prepare myself…