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I can’t speak of any other SNs, but all I know is that this one was never used by Joe.

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“And if those two rabbis had accurately reflected the Torah perspective, I wouldn’t be either.”

Charlie: Just to reiterate, if the Torah supports slavery, then you don’t support the Torah.

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AAQ: So if I’m keeping good count, you’ve got OO, Lev Tahor, Shuvu Bonim, Brisk, Peleg Yerushalmi, Neteurei Karta, Satmar, Lubavitch and Ponoveze included in the achdus but Conservative affiliated people are out.

AAQ: Jewry presumably includes OO (which was founded by a YU rabbi and it identifies itself as part of MO), Lev Tahor, Shuvu Bonim, Brisk, Peleg Yerushalmi, Neteurei Karta, Satmar, Lubavitch, Ponoveze and even Conservative Judaism.

Are you similarly upset those Yidden were not included in the achdus of the event you’re discussing?

Reb Eliezer: Open Orthodox claim they’re Orthodox and uphold the mesorah. Other groups also claim to be Orthodox and follow a mesorah. Who should judge which Orthodox-claiming groups are really Orthodox and correctly observing the mesorah versus which are Orthodox claiming but really anything but, and thus excluded from your call for achdus?

Reb Eliezer, is Open Orthodox enough Orthodox? If not, when is it enough?

Achdus with whom? Conservative? Reform? Open Orthodox?

No one knew there would be trespassing. The official plan was to head to the Capital for a legal protest outside on public grounds.

P.S. The moon landing doesn’t count.

Completely agree with the OP, Zaphod Beeblebrox. The claim that the moon landing really happened has been so thoroughly discredited that it is a bore to keep hearing about the conspiracy theory that a man actually went to the moon.

“George Washington is probably rolling in his grave at the total lack of slaves and the fact that Jews can be part of the government.”

George Washington was an Oheiv Yisroel.

Changes of nature that occurred during Yaakov Avinu’s lifetime aren’t documented by contemporary historian’s accounts. Another example is that there was kishuf (“magic”) by Pharoh’s time (which is after Yaakov Avinu’s time) and there was magic still in the world in much later times of world history, yet professional historians are in denial over these (and many other) facts.

It’s literal. It was “medically accurate” before the time of Yaakov Avinu.

HaLeiVi, now you’re singing a different time, one I agree with you on. No one implied or suggested, that I know of, that anyone not hold the door open for everyone/anyone and, rather, let the door “slam shut” (as you described it) in the next person’s face. Of course hold the door for everyone. The issue only is when one makes gender-based distinctions on whether to hold the door or on which gender should hold it for the other.

We can be honest, the door holding discussions invariably revolve around the issue of gender. Whether it is being discussed in the context of shidduch dates or more generally. Rarely is it being discussed in the sense that everyone should be holding the door open for anyone in front or in back of them, regardless of their and the other party’s gender.

If you failed to see that fact then you’ve been running around with your eyes and ears closed.

Syag, why would you find an insertion of a Chazal into the conversation as “odd”?

“If you cannot differentiate between ideals that we clearly do not hold by and sensitivities that formed over time”

It is just as clear that we (i.e. Yidden) do not hold by that a man should hold a door open for a woman moreso than a woman should hold open a door for a man, as it is clear that we do not hold by vegetarianism.

You cannot makeup for yourself what “ideals that we clearly do not hold” and what “we” do. There’s nothing to differentiate vegetarianism from the other so-called “ideal” that you imagine.

b_t: Take a 200 mile cross-state trip to Bentonville and I’ll hook you up with my executive contacts at America’s largest employer and retailer so you can be Walmart’s preferred kosher chicken supplier.

Reb Eliezer, Chasan Sofer and Vien aren’t Chasidish.

HaLeiVi: He can wear kosher tzitzis, too, since he isn’t obligated in it and therefore it is carrying for him.

“Who does that impress? Who will say בריך אלקהון דיהודאי because of that?”

If becoming a vegetarian, to avoid killing animals, impresses Goyim who then say בריך אלקהון דיהודאי, you think that’s a Kiddish Hashem?

Avi, how will “the problem eventually go away”?

Glasgow, Montana

Gadol, I understand that the heavenly HVAC provider only services those who led a proper life.

Let’s restore the censored Gemorah’s to the standard Vilna Shas.

And a Kohein is intrinsically holier than a Yisroel? Or a Talmid Chochom than a layman?

I think the same principles apply. They all become holier through their avoda.

Refuah Shelamo

Avira, going from memory, the Rambam says they’re holier when he writes about the halacha you referred to — kadima by pekuach nefesh. Also see the Maharal, Gur Aryeh, Vayikra 12:2, beginning of parshas Tazriah, where he writes men are more chashuv and the Tiferes Yisroel 4 and 28 where he says theyare on a higher spiritual level (the opposite of what you asserted) and have more chochma. This same idea about spiritual level, made either explicitly or implicitly, can be found in the following sources: Rambam, Mishnah Horarios 3:7; Tur, Orach Chaim 46; Akeidas Yitzchak, Bereishis 6; Bartenura, Mishnah Horarios 3:7; Taz, Orach Chaim 46; Zies Ra’anan (Magen Avraham), Yalkut Shemoni, Shmuel 1:1; Vilna Gaon, Even Shelaima 1:8; Baal Shevet Musar, Midrash Talpiyos, Ohs Aleph, Anaf Isha; Rav Tzadock Rabinowitz, Dover Tzedeck, p. 119; R’ Avraham Yitzchak Kook, Olas Re’iah, Birchos Hashachar; R’ Moshe Feinstein, Igoros Moshe, Orach Chaim IV, 49; R’ Joseph B. Soloveitchik, Man of Faith in the Modern World, p. 84; Lubavitcher Rebbe, Sichos in English, Iyar-Tammuz 5744, Vol. 21, pp. 69-72; R’ Avigdor Miller, Rabbi Avigdor Miller Speaks, pp. 245-246.