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Philosopher: I suggested Australia and Canada as options, as well. That should make you happy regarding your so-called concerns.

But even regarding the concerns you expressed about America, in the State of Israel they have much worse terror targeting the Jews.

Jews have never forgiven FDR for closing America’s doors to European Jewry, in their time of crisis, and sending the Jews who did manage to arrive from Europe to America back to Europe. And for failing to have Congress provide Visas to the Jews. FDR is rightfully condemned.

Now’s the time to make sure history doesn’t repeat itself; lobby Biden and Congress to open America’s doors now to Jews under attack.

AAQ: It is a machlokes haposkim whether filing an insurance claim that involves another Jew on the other side of the claim, is considered to fall under the prohibition of ערכאות של גויים

skripka: If at this point he wouldn’t be agreeable to merging with Hatzalah, that is a clear indication that he’s only in it for the kavod.

Happy New Year: If the wife dies before the husband, she was never matir.

philosopher: You keep repeating that same word out mantra. We are in golus. We’ve been in golus for 2,000 long years. *Everywhere* in golus we WILL experience antisemitism and anti-Jewish hatred, including of the violent variety. This will not change until Moshiach comes. Not in America, not in Canada, not in Australia and not in the Zionist “paradise” of the State of Israel, that falsely claims to be a Jewish safetynet, all the while Jews under Zionist sovereignty experience more violence and death than Jews not under Zionist sovereignty.

Yes, there was violence against Jews in the Arab lands throughout our long history. Just as there was everywhere else. But the violence under the Arabs pre-Zionism was far far less than elsewhere that Jews lived in. How many times does this *fact* need repeating?

And anyone who is honest and not willfully blind about Jewish history knows that Arab/Muslim violence against Jews went from occurring infrequently and sporadically pre-Zionism to becoming virtually non-stop, systematic, frequent and extremely violent ever since zionism.

I ask you with the greatest respect to please open your eyes and not allow feelings of pride in the State blind you from these historical and indisputable facts.

Menachem: That theory doesn’t add up. Large numbers of Jews lived *in* Arab/Muslim countries for over 1,000 years. Yet the “significant antisemitism” started exactly when the Zionists were gaining traction to take over Palestine. Before that relations between the Arabs and the Jews living in their countries were *mostly* peaceful. Unlike our European/Christian hosts.

philosopher: The quotes from Rav Hunter are verbatim what he said in a speech and was published during his lifetime in Agudas Yisroel’s official publication “Jewish Observer”, in 1979.

Rav Hunter was one of the most fierce anti-Zionists. This is very well known. He learnt by Rabbi Kook for a few years as a young man and even had a picture of him in his Succah for a few years, but he took it down as some of Rabbi Kook’s shittos became better known. Rav Hunter never cited anything from Rabbi Kook in Chaim Berlin, where he was Rosh Yeshiva nor did Rav Hunter ever quote Rabbi Kook in any of his Seforim, including Pachad Yiztchok.

What I quoted above from Rav Avigdor Miller zt’l is his own words, that he published in one of his Seforim. It has sold hundreds of thousands of copies, and you can buy it today in almost any Seforim store.

“<i>The Zionist leaders together with the Reform “rabbis” aided substantially in the destruction of the European Jews.”

In July 1938 President Roosevelt convened the Evian Conference to consider the problem of Jewish refugees. At that time a German offer was made to release Jews at $250 per person. The Jewish Agency, headed by Golda Meir, decided to ignore the offer.

At this conference, the delegation from the Jewish Agency made no effort to influence the United States or any of the 32 other participating nations to open their gates to admit German Jews.

Rabbi Weismandl sent urgent and impassioned appeals for small funds to stave off the deportation of thousands. The assimilationists and Zionists of Switzerland and other neutral countries and of the rich countries and of the rich communities overseas refused his request.

It was because European Jews put their trust in atheistic Zionist leaders that these leaders everywhere became the lackeys of the Nazis in all the Ghettos. They were the machinery, which served efficiently in the task of keeping the Jews docile and of persuading and coercing them to be sent off to their deaths.</i>

Which parts of the above direct verbatim words of Rav Miller zt’l do you not understand that he is laying blame for what occurred to the Jews in the Holocaust directly at the feet of the Zionists? His language could not have been any clearer.

No one ever said that Muslims have historically always treated Jews nicely and peacefully. This is a strawman.

AAQ: This issue certainly does have current implications for the wife/future wife. She may have a strong preference who she wants to be married to after Techiyas Hameisim. This is a valid concern.

* [The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means
Rabbi S. R. Hirsch

* Not via our desire did we leave the land of Israel, and not via our power will we come back to the land of Israel.
Rabbi S.D. Schneerson

* [Zionists] want a state in order to make Jews into heretics.
Rav Chaim Soloveichik

* The Zionists have attacked the center point of Judaism.
Rav Velvel Soloveichik

Before the Neila prayer on Yom Kippur Rabbi Avraham Yoshe Freund of Mansod said:

“It is not because they are Zionists that they are evildoers. It is because they are evildoers that they are Zionists.”

Rav Aharon Roth said:

“It is a miracle that these evildoers don’t command everyone to put on tefillin. It is possible that were they to do it, G-d forbid, it may be forbidden to put them on.”

The Chazon Ish said:

“If it is hard to understand the whole matter of the Golden Calf, by seeing the matter of the State, one can understand it. The matter of the State is similar to the Golden Calf”

Rav Elchonon Wasserman said:

“It is certain as the sun shines that the Land will vomit the Zionists out, because the Land is the Palace of the King….I don’t say this either to curse or to bless, but because these are things which are written in the Torah and which will take place.”

Rav Chaim Soloveitchik said:

“The Zionists aren’t taking Jews away from Judaism in order to have a State, THEY NEED A STATE IN ORDER TO TAKE JEWS AWAY FROM JUDAISM”

Rav Yechezkel Shraga Halberstam said:

“When a Jew recites ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord your G-d, the Lord is One’ he should have in mind rejecting all idolatry in the world, including Zionism, which is also idolatry.”

Rav Yissachar Dov of Belz said:

” There could be, before the arrival of Mashiach, that the Satan should succeed, and the evildoers should get a State in the Land of Israel. Their state would be a big danger for every Jew in material and spiritual matters.”

The heilige Chofetz Chaim said:

“In my opinion it is clear that the Zionists are from the offspring of Amalek.”

Rav Yitzchak Zev Soloveitchik (Reb Velvel) said:

“How can the little rabbis and heads of yeshivas take upon themselves the determination of things dealing with life and death? It is obvious that the partition will bring with it the anger and hostility of the Arabs and other nations of the world. This whole thing touches on the shedding of blood. HOW DO THEY HAVE THE ARROGANCE TO MAKE JUDGEMENTS DEALING WITH LIFE AND DEATH?

He also said:

“The Agudah is nothing, just money.” Rabbi Moshe Leib Diskin once said: “The rabbis of the generation should gather together and issue a writ of excommunication against the Zionists and eject them from the Jewish People, and make decrees against their bread and wine, and to forbid marrying with them, JUST LIKE OUR SAGES DID WITH THE SAMARITANS.”

Rav Shlomo Zalman Eherenreich said:

“The Zionists brought us to the Holocaust. It is well known that it was possible to redeem Jews from the Nazis with money, and save many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Hungary from the fire. THE ZIONIST LEADERS WHO NOW SIT IN GOVERNMENT PREVENTED IT!”

Rav Shaul Brach of Kashoa said:

“Before thinking up the idea of Zionism, Herzl wanted all Jews to convert to Christianity. When he was laughed at, he developed the second idea which was able to have more effect, since thousands of Jews began to believe they could be Jews without the Torah of Judaism.”

“I am also surprised at the leaders of the Agudah who want thousands of Jews to move to Eretz Israel. How can they ignore the welfare of their children, since there is no other place on earth where there is so much heresy and sectarianism as in the Holy Land in our day.”