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Taking out a small boat is harder than taking out a big boat.
December 7, 2025 10:21 am at 10:21 am in reply to: Declare Neturei Karta to be Non-Jewish Rodfim and Enemies of the Jews #2482415ujmParticipantYankel: I’m not aware of that being the case. On what basis do you assert that?
It appears unlikely as just ten years ago Rav Malkiel Kotler, Rav Elya Ber Wachtfogel, Rav Ahron Schter and other Litvish Gedolim together with both Satmar Rebbes and other Chasidishe Gedolim together joined at a public protest against the State of Israel in Manhattan when they were trying, again, to forcibly draft Bnei Torah.
December 7, 2025 10:21 am at 10:21 am in reply to: Are there any limits actually enforced by the moderators? #2482407ujmParticipantYankel: Katner’s defense of Nazi mass murderers AFTER the war in the Nuremberg Trials is quite well known and a matter of the historical record. He was even condemned for it in Israeli courts (the Judge Levy trial).
I definitely recognize you are not defending Kastner.
But aside from the train, read read about the Vrba-Wetzler Report. Kastner knew IN ADVANCE what Eichmann and the Nazis were planning to do to the Hungarian Jews, deport them to Aushwitz and gas them to death, and he yet refused to publicly disclose that information to the Hungarian Jews so that they would otherwise refuse to voluntarily go on the trains to Aushwitz.
ujmParticipantmdd: Get over it. In the last one hundred years there might have been only ten “Misngdim”; they virtually do not exist and haven’t for over a century.
The Chazon Ish most absolutely was not a misnaged; he was certainly a full Litvak and not Sephardic, not Chasidic and not Teimani. Of course he had different shittos than Sephardim, Chasidim, and Teimanim. But in no way, shape or form was he ever “against” Sephardim, Chasidim, or Teimanim.
Despite any fantasies you might have.
December 5, 2025 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2482123ujmParticipantBy the way, the idea of Israel should give up its land for peace, if that can be achieved, was advocated for by not only HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl, but as well as by Chacham Ovadia Yosef zt”l and other Gedolei Yisroel.
In fact, I can’t think of any bona fide Godol Yisroel who ever voiced disagreement with this idea.
And the fact that Rav Shach, Chacham Ovadia, etc. advocated this, is the greatest indication that it is a viable and real option.
Unlike some of the self-identified CR-experts here who poo-poo this as unfeasible and unrealistic. I’ll take the greats (Rav Shach, Chacham Ovadia, etc. ) over the CR-experts any day.
December 5, 2025 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2482035ujmParticipantZSK: I’ve studied Jewish, Muslim/Arabic and Christian/European culture longer than you. And your lack of knowledge is still very noticable. Even with your cut and paste job.
You are still missing the point. No one ever said Jews lived beautifully under Arabic rule. It was pointed out over and over again that we are in Golus. We are in Golus whether living under Arabic rule in the Middle East or whether living under Zionist rule in the Holy Land. And while we are in Golus we have and will continue to absolutely suffer. That is by divine design. Whether it is the discriminatory taxes under Arab rule or whether it is October 7th under Zionist rule.
But what you keep (purposely?) missing, despite it being pointed out to you again and again, is that for every entry under your cut and paste job there’s more than ten entries of persecution, suffering and destruction of Jewish life under Christian/European rule. And most of those more than ten to one ratio of Jewish persecution under Christian rule is more often ten times worse than what the Jews under Arabic rule experienced before the advent of Zionism.
You may know a bit of Arabic history but you are sorely lacking in knowledge of non-Arabic, and especially of Christian and European, history of Jewish persecution.
Quantifiable, quantitative and qualitative.
ujmParticipantShimon: somejew obviously means he davens for the Hamas sodiers defeat and destruction.
Hopefully you do as well.
ujmParticipantWhat is a free ??? ?? ????
December 5, 2025 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2482008ujmParticipantYankel: From what I know (not being the expert) I think that;s accurate. Others simply didn’t consider him to be a godol.
December 4, 2025 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm in reply to: Are there any limits actually enforced by the moderators? #2481827ujmParticipantYankel:
Kastner’s treachery in selling to the Nazis 500,000+ Hungarian Jewish lives in absolutely indefensible.
And what do you have to say about the fact that Kastner was STILL defending Nazis AFTER the war was over, and there were no more even fake excuses for it?
ujmParticipantLerntminTayrah:
The Chazon Ish held the Imrei Emes in awe. When the Imrei Emes visited Bnei Brak, the Chazon Ish pushed through the crowds to catch a glimpse of him.
The Chazon Ish had a famously close friendship with the Beis Yisrael (Rav Yisrael Alter). The Beis Yisrael (who was younger) would frequently visit the Chazon Ish’s home. They would speak for hours in private. The Beis Yisrael, in turn, sent his elite Chasidim to discuss Halacha with the Chazon Ish.
The Chazon Ish famously said about the Belzer Rebbe: “He looks like a Malach of Hashem.” When the Belzer Rebbe arrived in Eretz Yisroel after the Holocaust, the Chazon Ish went out of his way to honor him, signaling to the Torah world that this man was royalty. There is a famous account where the Chazon Ish sent a student to observe the Belzer Rebbeโs Tisch. When the student reported back that the Rebbe sat in silence for hours and barely ate, the Chazon Ish remarked, “That is how a Rebbe eats.”
December 4, 2025 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2481816ujmParticipantShimon:
Do you also disagree with HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl when he said Israel should surrender land to the Arabs in exchange for peace, if possible?
December 4, 2025 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm in reply to: Declare Neturei Karta to be Non-Jewish Rodfim and Enemies of the Jews #2481817ujmParticipantShimon:
The Divrei Yoel ืืฆืดื in fact did authorize and participate in public demonstrations against the State of “Israel”.
December 4, 2025 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2481815ujmParticipantSimcha613:
Let’s work together to make this proposal happen. Including a greater peace than the status quo.
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“GadolHadofi”, since his post on AUGUST 13, 2025, literally a majority of his posts have been dedicated to calling me “Joseph Goebbels”, a “Nazi” and “not Jewish”. I haven’t complained till now but perhaps I should have. I think this is highly inappropriate to call someone these vile names.
Can I request that you delete all the posts of his since August 13 that directly call me a Nazi, Joseph Goebbels, etc?
(And not post future such postings?)
Thank you!
See here below for a full listing of all his such posts:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/gadolhadofi/replies
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***** FOR MODS ONLY *****Dear Moderators,
“GadolHadofi”, since his post on AUGUST 13, 2025, literally a majority of his posts have been dedicated to calling me “Joseph Goebbels”, a “Nazi” and “not Jewish”. I haven’t complained till now but perhaps I should have. I think this is highly inappropriate to call someone these vile names.
Can I request that you delete all the posts of his since August 13 that directly call me a Nazi, Joseph Goebbels, etc?
(And not post future such postings?)
Thank you!
See here below for a full listing of all his such posts:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/gadolhadofi/replies
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December 4, 2025 10:32 am at 10:32 am in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2481558ujmParticipantSR โs opinion about rav kuk is well known and not a chiddush at all
Actually, that isn’t true. Very few people are actually aware of the strong words (to put it diplomatically) that the SR said about RK, that I copied above.
ujmParticipantDaMoshe:
Apparently Rabbi Schachter “forgot” who the Jewish prisoner was, despite the fact he was all over the news for years in a highly publicized and a highly reported trial; and Rabbi Schachter claims he wrote the letter to the judge asking the prisoner be freed and to end his imprisonment because he thought a 50 year or 100 year sentence was highly uncommon for the crime he was convicted — and that Goyim don’t get such long sentences but this Jew got such a sentence because he was discriminated against as a Jew, which Rabbi Schachter said he found “scandalous”, so he advocated for his freedom.
Now, such a sentence is in fact highly out of the ordinary for this kind of conviction and it exceeds similar convictions by a very great deal, so Rabbi Schachter was in fact correct about his original reasoning (as he explained himself) in writing the letter advocating for the Jews freedom.
But once he got pressured from his crowd, and he needed a face saving excuse to explain why he’s suddenly withdrawing his letter despite nothing changed since he wrote it, so he suddenly decided such prison sentences are really very common, so he explained his original reason no longer applied.
Makes a whole lot of sense, doesn’t it?
December 3, 2025 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm in reply to: Are there any limits actually enforced by the moderators? #2481532ujmParticipantYYA: I don’t know what you’re kvetching about. Everything I mentioned about Kapo Kastner is historically documented facts. Even his Zionist supporters don’t deny; instead they try to excuse it.
One thing I didn’t mention yet is that even AFTER the war was over Kastner became a witness in the Nuremberg Trials ON BEHALF OF THE NAZIS who he tried to get exonerated and freed, being the friends Kastner was with those Nazis. And one Nazi Kastner in fact did get acquitted based on his testimony on behalf of his Nazi friend who he testified was a good guy.
December 3, 2025 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2481438ujmParticipantYYA: Do not falsely put words in my mouth. I specifically and clearly said that in Golus Jews suffered EVERYWHERE.
But it is an absolutely undisputable historical fact that for 2,000 years leading up to 1945 Jews living under Arab and/or Muslim rule were FAR FAR BETTER off than Jews living under Christian and/or European rule.
The reason the Arabs and Muslims NOW are the biggest Jew haters is directly and unambiguously due to the Zionist Project radicalizing them into the biggest Jew haters.
December 3, 2025 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2481271ujmParticipantZSK: Your knowledge of history is very poor. The Jews under Arab and Muslim rule experienced nothing remotely close to the pograms, tach v’tat, annual Christmas attacks, and the Holocaust that Jews under Christian European control very RECENTLY in the last few hundred years through 1945 (people living in our generation) experienced.
Anyone would have traded for Muslim rule rather than Christian/European rule anytime until 1945.
December 3, 2025 3:19 pm at 3:19 pm in reply to: Are there any limits actually enforced by the moderators? #2481230ujmParticipantYankel: Correct, I made a typo. I meant to write for months (not years). The Nazis took over Hungary in 1944, months before the end of the war, That’s when Eichmann set up his headquarters in Hungary. And that’s when his Kapo Kastner joined him, working, chatting, smoking and making deals together until Eichmann fled from the advancing Allies.
ujmParticipantDaMoshe: You are confirming what I said. Rabbi Schachter wrote a letter to the judge requesting the Jewish prisoner be released. When his MO crowd heard about it they got angry at him. Since they got angry at him, and he needs their patronage, he issued an apology for writing the letter — even though nothing changed between the time he wrote the letter and the time he apologized for it.
Debating whether the Jewish prisoner should be released is irrelevant to the point. Whether you think he should or think he shouldn’t, nothing changed for Rabbi Schachter to suddently change his mind — other than he needs his crowd so he needs to toe their line.
ujmParticipantchiefshmerel: There were a small community of Chasidim in Slutsk (mostly Chabad but some Polishe as well.) They were there already before the Beis Halevi become Rov in 1865 and remained there during his entire Rabbanus there. They had a Shteeble near the train station in Slutsk. And the Beis Halevi permitted their burial in the Slutsk Bais Hachaim.
December 2, 2025 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm in reply to: Are there any limits actually enforced by the moderators? #2480215ujmParticipantYankel: It is a documented historical and undisputed fact that Kastner worked directly together with Eichmann, hand in hand out of his office, and they even smoked cigars together, while they were working for their mutual goals. Kastner helped deliver half a million Hungarian Jews to their deaths through Eichmann, by withholding his fore-knowledge that they were being shipped to death camps, in order to get a single train that 90% was composed of his immediate and extended family and his fellow Zionist. The other 10% of seats he sold (including to the Rebbes you mentioned, who paid full price for it.)
ujmParticipantDecember 2, 2025 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm in reply to: Tiferes Shlomo and the modern State of Israel #2480217ujmParticipantShimon / Yankel:
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ืงืื ื ืื ื ืฉืืข ืืฆืืื ืฆืขืงืช ืื ื ืืฉืจืื ืืืจืืื ืืืจืืื ืืขืืจ ืโ ืฉืื ืืืืืโืฆ ืฉืืืจืืฉืืื ืขืืโืง ืชโื ืืืืฉื ืืจื ืืืืื ืืฆืืืง ืืงื ืืงื ื ืืืื ืืงืฉโืช ืืืโืจ ืืืกืฃ ืืืื ืืื ื ืขื ืคืขืื ืฉืืโื ืืืืืงโืง, ืืืงืฉืื ืืืชื ื ืืืืืช ืืื ืืขืืจื ืืฆืจื, ืืชืขื ืืขืงืชื ืืช ืคื ื ืโ ืืื ืืืืืืื ืืจืืื ืืจื ืโ ืฆืืืืช ืืื ืืืขืืืืื ืฆืื ืืืืื ืโ ืื ืกืคืื ืขื ืืืช ืืขืงื ืืกืคืืช ืืืืืจืช, ืืฉืจ ืืืื ืื ื ืืืชื ืฆืจืขืช ืืืืจืช, ืืฆืืื ื ืคืฉืืช ืืืฉืงืืชื ืืื ืืจืขืื ืืืืจืจืื ืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืืืคืืจื ืจโื ืขื ืฉืืขืืโืจ ื ืชืงืืื ืืื ืืื ืฆืจืโ ืืจืืฉ, ืืืฉ ืฆืจ ืืืืื ืืืช ืชืืจืชืื ื ืืงืืืฉื ืืืขืืงืจื ืืืืื ื ืืจื ืงืฉืชื ืืืืื ืืืคืจ ืืจืืช ืขืืื, ืื ืงืื ืืฉื ืืืจืื ืืฆืืง ืงืืง, ืืื ืืืืจ ืืฉืจ ืืืืืง ืืืจืืื ืืืจืโืง ืืืื ืืืืืื ืจโื, ืืื ืืขืื ืืจืขื ืืืื ืื ืขืฆืื ืืฉื ืฆืืื ืื, ืืฉืจ ืื ืืื ืืขืชืื ืืืื ืืืื ื ื ืืฃ ืืืืช ืืฉืจืื ืืืืจืืืื ืืจืโืง ืืื ืืืจืฆืืช ืืืื, ืืืืืจืื ืขืจื ืขืจื ืขื ืืืกืื ืื ืืื ืงืืื ืชืืโืง ืืืืืื ื ืืืกืืจื ืื ื, ืฉืืื ืืืกืื ืืงืืื ืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืื ืืืคืจื, ืืืืืขืื ืืืช ืืืกืืฃ ืคืฉืขืื ืขื ืคืฉืขืื, ืืืืคืืก ืืกืคืจืื ืืืืืื, ืืืืืื ืืืืืขืื, ืืืจื ืืื ืืช ืืืคืืจื, ืืขืืืช ืืฆื ืืืืฆืคื ืืชืืจื, ืืช ืโ ืืื ืืืืฃ ืืื ืจืื, ืืฉืจ ื ื ื ืจืื ืืื ื ืฉืืข ืืืืช ืืืืื ืืืืื, ืชืกืืจ ืฉืขืจืืช ืื ืืฉ ืืชืฆืืื ื ืฉืชื ืืื ื ืื ืฉืืืข, ืื ื ืืจืกื ืืจืก ืืจืื ืืืืืช ืืืื ืืืืงืจืืช ืืจื ืืืกืืช ืืืืืื ืคืจืื ืฉืืฉื ื, ืืืจื ืืืืจืื ืืืืืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืื ืืโ ืืืขืชืงืื ืืงืื ืืจืก ืงืื ืืืื ืื ืืคืก ืืืจืืฉืืื ืืืืืชืื ืฉื ืืืื ืืจื ืืืืื ืืืคืืจืกื ืืืืืงโืง ืกืืืืืจ ืฉืืืโื (ืืจื ืืืืื ืืจืื ืืืืื-ืฉืโืช ืืืจืื ืืืืื), ืืื ืืืฉืจ ืืโ ืื ืืื ืืืืืืจื ืขืฆืืื ืฉืื ืจืืืชื ืื ืขืื ืืจืื ืืืชืจ ืืื ืฉืืขืชืืงื ืื ื ืืฆืืื ืืืืืืจืื, ืืืืื ืขื ืื ืืืืชืื ืืืจื ืืื ืืช ืืืคืืจื, ืืืื ื ืืจื, ืืืืื ืื ืื ืืืืื ืืโ ืืืขืชืืง ืจืื ืืืจื ืืืืื ืืืื ืืื ืืขืื ืื ืฉืื ืจืืืืช, ืืฉืโืช ืืจืื ืืืืจื, ืืื ืงืื ื ืงืืชื ืื ืงืืช ืขืื ืื โื ืืจืื ืกืขืจ ืืืืืจื.ืืื ื ืื ืืืืชืจ ืืืืจืื ืืืืื ืื ืฉืืืจืืชื ืืกืืจื, ืื ืืฃ ืื ืฉืืื ื ืืื ืืืืคืจ ืืื ืฉืืืื ืโ ืืืืืื ืืช ืืจืืื ืืฉืืจ ืขืืืจืืช, ืืกืืจ ืืฉืืืข ืืืจืื ืืคืื, ืืืฉืโืข ืกืืื ืจืโื ืกืขืืฃ ืโ ืืชโื ืืืืืื ืืืฆืืช ืืืื ืื ืืจืืช ืฉืืื ืืจื ืืื ืืงื ืฉืืฆืืืืจ, ืืืืื ืขื ืื ืืืจืื ืืืกืฃ ืฉื ืืื ืชโื ืฉืืฉ ืืืื ืืืืื ืโ ืืกืืจ ืืฉืืืข ืืื ื ืืืจื ืชืืจื ืืืกืืื ืขื ืืืจืืชื ืืขืืโืฉ ืืฉืืโื, ืืขโืข ืืฉืโืช ืืืช ืฉืืื ืืโื ืโื ืกืืื ืงโื ืืืฃ ืืืืชื ืืืจืืฉืืื (ืืืขื ืงืื ืคืจืง ืโ ืืืื ืโ) ืืงื ืฉืืืจืข ืื ืืืจ ืืื ืืืจืืืื ืืืชื ืืืืืชื, ืืื ืืงืื ืื ืืืืื ืืช ืืจืืื ืืื ืืืจืืขื ืื ื ืื ืืคืฉืืื ืืืืจืืืื ืืืชื ืืืืืืชื ืืขืืโืฉ, ืืืืื ืื ืืืคืืงืืจืกืื, ืืืจ ืืชื ืืืชโืก ืืืโื ืกืืื ืงืกโื, ืืืืื ืฉืืกืืจ ืืงืจื ืื ืคืชื ืืืชื ืืื ืืืื ืื ืืฉืืืื ืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืืจืืืช ืืืื, ืืืฉโื ืฉืืกืืจ ืืืงื ืชืืจื ืืคืื ืืขืืโืฉ.
ืืื ื ื ืืื ืื ื ืืืืจื ืืืืื ืคืจืง ืืฉืืื ืืฃ ืโื, ืกืคืจ ืชืืจื ืฉืืชืื ืืื ืืฉืจืฃ ืืชืื ืขืืโื ืืื ื, ืืืฉืืช ืืฃ ืงืโื ืืืจ ืจโ ืืจืคืื ืฉืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืฉืื ื ืืฉืจืืฃ ืืืชื ืืืช ืืืืืจืืช ืฉืืื, ืโืจ ืืฉืืขืื ืงโื ืืื ืืขืฉืืช ืฉืืื ืืื ืืืฉ ืืืฉืชื ืืืจื ืชืืจื ืฉืื ืฉื ืืชื ืืงืืืฉื ืืืื ืขื ืืืื, ืืืื ืฉืืืืืื ืืืื ืืงื ืื ืืชืืจืืช ืืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืืื ืฉืืฉืืื ืขืืืโื, ืืขืืืื ืืืจ ืืื ืืื ืืฉื ืืื ืโ ืืฉื ื ืืืชืงืืืืื ืืชืงืืื ืชืืืืช ืฉื ืื ืฉื ืืชืื ืืืืืืื ืืื ืื, ืืืฉืื ืืจืืโื ืโื ืืคโื ืืืืืืช ืืกืืื ืืชืืจื ืืืื ืโ, ืืคืืงืืจืก ืืฉืจืื ืฉืืชื ืกโืช ืฉืืจืคืื ืืืชื ืขื ืืืืืจืืช ืฉืื ืืื ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืฉื ืืืคืืงืืจืกืื ืืื ืืืขืฉืืื ืืขืืโืฉ.
ืื ื ืโื ืืืืืจื ืืกืคืจ ืชืืจื ืฉืืชืื ืืื ืืืืืง ืืช ืโ ืืืชืจ ืืืืชืื ืขืืโื ืืฉืื ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืฉื ืืืคืืงืืจืกืื, ืืฃ ืฉืืกืคืจ ืชืืจื ืื ืืขืชืืง ืืื ืืืชืืืช ืืชืืจื ืืืืืืจืืช ืืื ืืืืฉ ืฉื ืฉืื ืืืจ ืืืขืชื, ืืื ืืฉืืื ืืืฉืืชื ืืจื ืฉืืื ืืืงืืจ ืืื ืืจืขืื ืืฃ ืฉืืื ื ื ืืืจืช ืืชืื ืืขืฉืื, ืืืืืจื ืฉืื ืืื ืื ืฉื ืืคืขืืืชืื, ืืืื ืฉืื ืฉืืกืืจ ืืื ืื ืื ืฉื ืืฉืืจืืช ืืืืืช ืื ืืืื ืืชืื ืืช ืืืืจืื ืืชืืจื, ืฉืืืื ืืืืืช ืืืชืจ ืืชืืจื, ืืืืฉืืื ืืืชืจืโ ืืืขื ื ืคืกืื ืืืจื, ืืจื ืืืขื ื ืจโื.
ืืืฉ ืืช ืฆืืืขืื ืืืืคืื ืขื ืืืื ืื ืืืืคืืงืืจืกืื ืืืืจื ืฉืืื ืืืชืงืืื ืื ืืืื ืืฉืืื, ืืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืืื, ืืื ื ืืืื ื ืืืจื ืืืืื, ืืื ืืชื ื ืจโื ืืืืืฉื ืืืืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืื ืืืื ืื ืืื ืฉืฆืืืชื ืืชืืโืง ืืืืืง ืืช ืโ ืขืืืจ ืืืืช ืืฉืืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืืืืืื ืืืื ืืชืืจืืช, ืืืื ืืฉืืื ืฉืืืฉืจืื ืืืื ืื ืืืื ืื ืืืืโ ืืืจืืชื ืืืืจืืช.
ืืืืืจื ืืจืืืช ืืฃ ืโื, ืฉืืขืื ืืคืงืืื ืืกืืืจ ืโื ืืืื ื, ืืืจ ืจโื ืืืื ืืฉ ืืื ืฉืืืืข ืืชืงื ืืจืืช ืืฆืืืงืื, ืขืื ืฉืืืื ืืงืื ืืชืืงื ื, ืืฉื ื ืืืจืช ืฉืืื ืืืฉืงืืฃ ืื ืฉืชืื ืืฉืืฉ ืฉืขืืช ืืื ืืขืืืื, ืืืงืฉื ืืืื ืื ืืขืืืื ืืืืจโื ืืขื ืืื ืืืจืืืช ืืื ืืขืืื ืืืชื ืืืจืืช ืืฆืืืงืื ืืขืืื ืืืชื ืืืืฉืื ื ืฉืื ืืื ืืื, ืฉืื ื ืฉืืืื ืืงืื ืืืืื ืชืืงื ื, ืื ืืืืฉ ืืืื ืืืจ ืืโ ืืืฃ ืฆืืืง ืืขืืงืจื ืืืื ืืืจ ืืโ ืืโ ืฉืื ื ืฉืืืื ืืงืื ืืืชืืื ืื [ืืืขืช ืืจโื ืฉื ืืื ืฉืืืจื ืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืืขื ืืืจืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืืื ื ืฉืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืืืจื ืฉืื ืืื ืขืื ืฉโืฅ ืืขืืื. ืืืืโื ืืกืืื ืงืโื ืืฆืื ืฉืืื ืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืืืืืช ืขืื ืฉโืฅ ืืฉืืื ืคโื, ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืืืฆืืช ืืฉืงื ืฉืื ืืขืช ืืืืืงืื ืขื ืืจโื ืโื ืฉืืื ืืืืื ื ืืฉโืก ืฉืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืืื ืืื ืืคื ืฉืขื. ืืขื ืื ืคื ืื ืืืืชื ืืืโื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืกืืื ืคโื ืื ืื ื ืจืื ืืื ืืืจืข ืื ืื ืืืชืจ ืืคโื ืืืื ืขืืื ืืืื ืฉืืขืืืจืื ืืืชื ืฉืื ืืืืืช ืขืื ืฉโืก ืืขืืื, ืืฃ ืืืื ื ืฉื ืืืโื ืฉืืชื ืฉื ืฉืื ืืโ ืื ืืื ืื ืืฆืืืื, ืืคืืืืชืชื ืืื ืกืืื ืขื ืืืจื ืืฉโืก ืืืืืจื ืืคืขื ืืจืืฉืื ื ืืขืืืื ืืฉืืืื ืืงืื.
ืืื ื ืืืืช ืืืื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืืฆืืืื ืฉืื ืืื ืืืืงืช ืืฉืจืืช ืื ืืื ืืืคืฉืจ ืืืื ื ืืืฃ ืืืืช ืฉืื ืืโ ืืื ืืขืืช ืืฉืืืื, ืืืฃ ืืืื ืฉืืืฆืื ืืจืืคืืช ืืชืืช ืืื ืฉืืืืืจ ืืฉืโืข ืืโื ืืืื ืงืโื ืกืขืืฃ ืโื ืฉืืื ืื ืืชื ืฆืืืช ืืืืจ ืฉืืื ืืืืชื, ืืืืืจ ืืืขื ืืชืฉืโ ืืจืฉืโื ืกืืื ืโ (ืฉืฉื ืืงืืจ ืืื ืื) ืฉืโื ืืืืจ ืื ืืืืขื ืืขื ืื ืืืจืืคืืช ืืืืขืื ืื ืืื ืื ื ืืืขื ืืื ืืื ืจืืื ืืื ืืชื ืืื ืืืกืืื ืขืืื ืืื, ืืื ืื ืืชื ืืจืโืฉ ืโื ืืชืฉืโ ืืื ืโ (ืืื ืโื), ืืืขืคืโื ืืืื ืขโื ืืฉโื ืฉื ืืกโืง ืโื ืืืจื ืืืืจืโื ืืืืื ืืืืืข ืฉืืื ืโืฉ ืืืืงืืง ืืืขืฉืื ืขืืืื ืืืจืื ื ืืโ ืืืืื ืืฉืื ืืื ืืื ืืืืฉืื ื ืืืื ืืืจ ืืโ, ืืืื ืืืจืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืืืืจ ืืฉโืก ืืืืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืืืืจ ืืโ ืฉืืขื ืืื ืืโ ืืืืช ืืฉืืืื ืืงืื ืฉืืโ ืืขืืช, ืืขืืโืฉ ืืคื โื ืฉืืืืจ ืขื ืื ืืืขืืช ืืื, ืืืฉืืจ ืืจืืืช ืืืชืื ื ืืโ ืืืืช ืขื ืฉืืืืืจ, ืืืืจืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืืืจ ืฉื ืืจืฉืโื ืืืืฉโืข ืืกืโ ืื โื ืฉืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืื ืืืื ืืืชืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืืืืืจื, ืืืื ื ืืฆืื ืืื ืืฉืจ ืืืืงืชื ืืืืืืื ืืืกืืงื ืื ืืคืฉืจ ืืืืจ ืฉืืขื ืืืื ืื ืฆื ืืื ืืช ืืื, ืืคืจื ืืฆืืืง ืืืืจ ืืฉืืืื ืืงืื ืืืขืฆืื ืชืืงื ืืจืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืืื ืื ืืื ืืชืืื ืื ืื ืืื ืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืืื ืืืฉืืื ืืืชื ืืืื ืืืจ ืืโ ืืโื ืืื ืืื, ืืืืขืช ืืจโื ืืโ ืืกืืืง ืืขืืื ืืฉืืื ืคืขื ืืจืืฉืื ื ืชืืืฃ ืืืื, ืืขโื ืฉืืืืืจื ืืืชืจ ืืืฉืฉื ืืืื ืืช ืืืฉืืจ ืขืืืจืืช ืืฃ ืืกืคืืงื ื ืื ืืืงื ืืืขืืงืจื ืืฉืื ื ืืื ืืช ืืืฉืื ืืืืืจ ืืืื].
ืืขืโืค ืืืื ืฉืืืืืจ ืืืืจื ืืฉืโืข ืืจืง ืืฉืืื ืฉืืื ืข ืขืฆืื ืืืงืื ืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืฃ ืฉืืืื ืืืืืช ืฉืืื ื ืืื ืืขืืช ืโื ืืกืืงืื ืืืชื, ืโื ืืฉโื ืื ืฉืืืื ืืขืชื ืืคืโ ืฉืืื ื ืจืืฆื ืืงืืื ืืืืคื ืฉืืื ืืืกืชืคืง ืื ืฉืื ืฉืื ืืืขื, ืืงโื ืืื ืฉืืจืื ืขืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืืงื ืฉืืืืจ ืืจืืจ ืฉืฆืจืื ืืกืื ืืื ืืืจ ืฉืืงืืืฉื, ืืืฆโื ืฉืื ืืืโ ืจื ืืืืจื ืืืฉืจืื.
ืืโื ืืืชื ืืืืฉ ืื ืืืจ ืืขืื ืฉืื ืืจืื ืืืืง ืืืจืืื ืืฆืืื ืื ืืืืืฆืื ืืืืคืจืื ืืืืงื ืืฉืจืื ืืคืจืืกืื ืืืคืืืื, ืื ืืืื ืืกืคืืง ืืืืจืืจ ืืืืื ืฉืืืืื ืืกืืงื ืืืืจืืืงื ืืื ืืืช ืืฉืจืื, ืืงโื ืืืจื ืฉืืืืืืจืื ืืืืืืื, ืขืื ืืจืื ืืืืืืื, ืืจโื ืืืจืโื ืืืืื ืฉื ืขืืื, ืืืจืื ืืืขืช, ืืื ืฉืื ืืคืงืจ ืืคื ืืื ืืื ื ืืจืืืช ื ืืขืื ืืฆืจืขืช, ืืขื ืืืื ืืืื ืืฆื, ืืืคืืจ ืืชืืจื ืฉืืืชื ืืืขโืค ืืืขืืงืจื ืืืืื ื ืืชืช ืืืชื ืืฉืืฆื, ืชื ืืื ืกืคืง ืื ืืืจืืชื ืืื ืืืจืื ืืขื ืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืืืืื, ืืืฉืจ ืืจืืืงื ืืื ื ืืื ืชืืื, ืืขืืจ ืืืงื ืืืื ื ืงืืื, ืืืืชืืืจืื ืืืื ืืืืช ืืืืง ืืืื, ืืืฉืชืืืื ืืืืืจืช โืืกืฃโ ืชืืืืช ืืืืืฅ โืืืกืืคืโ ืคื ืืื ืืืืืื ืฉืืฉืืื, ืืกืืคื ืืืืจ ืฉืืช ืืืจ ืจืืง ืืื ืื ืืื, ืืื ื ืืฉืื ืืงืจืืื ืืื ืืืืืช ืโื ืืืืืช ืื โื ืืืจื ืืืืื, ืจโื, ืืืืจื ืืืโื (ืคืกืืื ืืฃ ืโื ืขโื) ืืื ืืชืจืคืืื ืืืฅ ืืขืฆื ืืฉืืจื, ืืืืืื ืฉืืื ื ืืืื ืืฃ ืืืืช ืฉืืจ ืืขืฉืื ืจืขืื ืฉืืื ื ืฉื ืืื ืืช ืืืคืืงืืจืกืืช ืงืจืื ืืืืื ื ืโื (ืกื ืืืจืื ืืฃ ืโ ืขโื) ืืฉืืจื, ืืงื ืืืืืจ ืืืช ืืืื ืฉื ืืื ืืช ืืืคืืจื ืืืจื ืืืืื ื ืโื ืืืกืืช ืฉืืช ืืฃ ืงืโื ืฉืืคืืื ืืื ืจืืืฃ ืืืจืื ืืืจืื ืื ืืฉ ืจืฅ ืืืจืื ืืืืืฉื ื ืื ืก ืืืืช ืฉื ืขืืืื ืืจื ืืืื ื ื ืื ืก ืืืช ืืื ืฉื ืืื ืฉืืื ืืื ืืืืจืื ืืืืคืจืื ืืืื ืืืืจืื ืืืืคืจืื, ืืโื ืืืื ืืื ืืืืืช ื ืืืจ ืืขโื ืขืฆืื ืืื ืืืื ืืืคืืงืืจืก, ืฉืืจืฉ ืคืืจื ืจืืฉ ืืืขื ื ืืืฉืืืืช ืืจืืจืืช, ืืืฉืจ ืืโ ืืฉืื ืืืืื ืืืืจ ืืืื ื ืืจื ืชืืืืช, ืืืืจ ื ืชืืืจ ืืืื ืืืื ืืจืืจื, ืฉืื ืฉืืื ื ืจืืฆื ืืงืื ืืช ืืืื ืื ืืคืจืืกืื, ืืืงืืื ืืฉืจ ืืื ืจืืืโ, ืืฃ ืฉืืโ ืฆืืืง ืืขืืงืจื, ืฉืชืืงื ืื ืืขืืื ืขืืื ืฉืื ืืืืจื, ืื ืชืคืก ืืืืชื ืขืฆื ืื ืืขืจื, ืืืืง ืืืง ื ืืจืโ, ืืื ืืืื ืืช ืืืจืืจื, ืืฉืโืช ืืจืื ืืขืงืจื, ืืฉืจืฉื ืืืขืจื, ืืื ืืืกืืคื ืขืื ืืืืื, ืื ืคืฉืืช ืื โื ืื ืื ืืื ืืื ืืจืื ื ืฉืืจื, ืื ืคืฉื ืืฉืงื ืืชืืจื, ืืฉืโืช ืืืฆืืื ื ืืืคืืื ืืืืจื.
ืืืชื ืื โื ืืืจืืื ืืืืจืืื, ืืืงื ืืืืฆื, ืืืฉ ืืช ืจืขืื ืืขืืืจื ืืืืืฉ ืืืืจ ืืืืจ ืื ื ืืืืื ืืืืืืช ืโ ืืืขืืืจ ืืืฉืืช ืืืื ืื ืืืจืฅ ืืืืกืืจ ืืืฉืืจื ืืืืช ืืืงืื ืืงืืืฉ, ืืืฉืโืช ืืชื ืืื ืจืืืื, ืืื ืฉืจืื ืืืืืื, ืฉืื ืืืฉืืื ืขืื ืฉืื ืืจืฉืข ืขืืืื, ืขื ืืฉืงืืฃ ืืืจื ืโ ืืขื ืื ื, ืืืืขืืื ืฆืืง ืื ืืื ื, ืืืฆืจื ืืจืืื ืืืฆืืื ื, ืืืชืื ืืฉืืื ืืืืจ ืขืื ืื ื, ืืืฉืืขืืชื ืืืืืื ืืฉืืืื ื, ืืฉืืืช ืฆืืื ืืืจืืฉืืื ืืขืืื ืฉื ืืฉืืื ืืืื ืืื.
ืโื ืืืืชื ืื ืื ื ืืฆืคื ืืจืืื ืฉืืื ืืืืฉืืขืช ืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืจื, ืืื ืโ ืืกโ ืืืืช ืขืฉื ืืื ืืืื ืโื ืืืื โื ืชืจืคโื ืืคโืง, ืคืงโืง ืงืจืืื ืืฆโื
ืืงโ ืืืื ืืืืืืืืื
ืกืืื ืงืื
ืืขโื, ืโื ืืืื ืืื ืโ ืืกืืืืืช ืืชืจืฆโื ืืคโื, ืคื ืขื ืืกืคืื ืืืืฉืจ ืืืืชื ืชโืช ืืืืืช ืืืจืืฉืืื ืขืืโืง ืชืืืโื ืืืืื ืืโืง, ืฉืืืื ื ืจืืื ืืื ืฉืืืื ืขโื ืืจื ืงืืง ืืขืืื ืืจืืฉ ืืืจืืื ืืืื ืืฆืืื ืื ืืืืืจืืื ืืืืืื ืืืืืืืื ืจโื, ืืฉืจ ืืืืืื ืืืื ื ืื ืืื ืืืจืืื ืงืืฆืื ื ืืืฉืจืืฉื ืฉืืจืฉ ืคืืจื ืจืืฉ ืืืขื ื ืฉื ืืืื ืืช ืืืืคืืจื ืจโื ืืืโืง, ืืื ืืืื ืฉื ืื ืืฉืจ ืจืืืชื ืืืชืืื ืฉื ืืืื ืืืืืื ืืจื ืืืโืฆ ืืืืืงโืง ืกืืืืืจ ืโื ( ืืจื ืืืืื ืืจืื ืืืืื-ืืืจืื ืืืืื) ืืืืืโื ืืจื ืืืโืฆ ืืืืืงโืง ืงืืฉืืื ืฉืืืโื (ืืจื ืฉืืื ืืจืื-ืืฉืืจืช ืืืขืืจ) ืืขืื ืืฉืืจ ืืืื ืื ืืฆืืืงืื ืฉืืืืื ืืช ืืืจืืช ืฉืืจืฆื ืขืืื ืืฉืคืื ืฉืืกืืจ ืืืงื ืืืจืื ืืคืื ืืืืืื ืืืชืืืจ ืขืื, ืืืงืฆืชื ืฉื ืืืชืืื ืืื ืืืจ ื ืืคืกื, ืื ืื ืื ืืขื ืื ืืชืืชื ืื ืืื ืืืจืืืืช (ืขโ ืืกืโ ืืงืืื) ืืืฉืจ ืืโ ืืืจืื ืื ื ืืืืืจื ืขืฆืืื ืฉืื ืืืืืื ืืื ืืช ืืืคืืจื ืจโื, ืืืืฉ ืืืื ืืืืงืืจืืช ืืจื ืืืืจืื ืืืื ืขื ืโ ืืขื ืืฉืืื, ืืขื ืื ืืื ืื ืืืืืื ืืืฉืโืช ืืืชืืจืชื ืืงืืืฉื ืืืืคื ื ืืจื, ืืื ืขืื ืืจืืข ืืื ืืขืฉืื ืืจืขืื ืืฉืจ ืืืฉืื ืื ืืขื ืืื ื ืฆืืื ืืืงืจืื ืืจืฉืช ืืืืจืืื ืืืชื ืกืคืจืืื ืืฉืจ ืื ืืื ืืืืจืืืื ืืกืืืืช ืืโืง ืืืืืืื ืืจืก ืืืืื ืื ื ืืฉืจืื ืืื ืื ืืืจืื ืืืื ืืช ืืืกืืจ ืืขืืงืจื ืืืก ืืื ืืชืืโืง, ืืืื ืืืืจืื ืืื ืื ืืืจ ื ืืืข ืืฉืจ ืืืกืื ืืื ืืจืขืื ืืงืืจื ืืืืื ืฉื ืืชื ื ืชืืจื ืืืฉืจืื ืื ืืโ ืืกืื ืืื ืืช ืืืื ืืฉืจ ืืืืื ืืืคืื ื ืคืฉืืช ืืืฉืจืื ืืืคืืจ ืืโ ืืืชืืจืชื ืืงืืืฉื, ืืื ืืกืชืคืง ืืื ืื ืืืช ืืฉืจ ืืขืืื ืืฆืืื ืืืจืืื ืืืืื ืืจืืข ืืื.
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ืขืโืค ืื ื ืจืืืื ืืืืืจื ืืขืฆืืื ืฉืืืืืจื ืืืืื ื ืโื ืืื, ืืื ืฉืฉืืชืง ืืืงืื ืืช ืืืื ืื ืืฃ ืฉืืคืฉืจ ืืืื ื ืื ืืืฃ ืืืืช ืโื ืื ืืืขืืื ืื ืื ืฆืืงืืชืื ืืืกืืงืื ืืืชื ืืจืืื ืืืขื ืื ืืืฉืื ืืืจืื ืืืช ืืฉืจืื, ืืงโื ืืืื ืฉืืฉืื ืืืจืืื ืืืชื ืืืืฉืื ืจืืื ืืืขื ืืืจ ืืขืช ืืืื ืื ืืืคืืจืกืืื ืจโื, ืฉืืืืื ืืืชืืืจ ืขืื ืืืฉืืืข ืืืจืื ืืคืื ืื ืืืจ ืืื ืืฆื ืืืจ.
ืืืขืโื ืื ืจืืื ืขืชื ืื ืืฉืืื ืืืจืื ืื ืืจืจืื ืืืชืจืโ, ืืื ืืฃ ืื ืืชืงืืฆื ืื ืืจืืืืช ืฉืืขืืื ืื ืืืืื ืืืื ืืืช ืืืช ืืืชืืโืง ืืื ืฉืืื ืืจืืจ ืืืืจื ืืืืื ื ืโื ืืืคืืกืงืื, ืืืืืช ืืจืื ืืืชืจ ืืื ืฉืืชืืชื ืืื ืืฉ ืืื ืืืืจื ืฉโืก ืืคืืกืงืื, ืื ืืขืโื ืืขืงืื ืืืฉืืื ืื ืกืืื ืืช ืืจืืืื ืืืกืืื ืืช ืืขื ืื ืืืจืื ืกืืืืช ืืื ืืืืขืื ืื ืืขื ืฉืโื ืืคืืจืื, ืืืฆืืจืฃ ืืื ื ืกืืื ืืขืื ื ืืืขืืจืช ืขื ืืขืช ืงืื ื ืืโืฉ ืืืโื (ืขืืจืืืื ืืฃ ืโื ืขโื), ืืื ืืืืฉ ืื ืืื ืืขืืื ืืืืื ืชื ืืืฆืื ื ืคืฉื ืืืจื ืืืืื ืืืืจ ืฉืืช ืจโื, ืืืโ ืื ืื ืฉืืจ ืืฆืืื ืืืืจืืฉืืื ืืืชื ืืฉืจ ืื ืืจืขื ืืืขื ืืืื ืืช ืืืืคืืจื ืจโื, ืืฉืโืช ืืืโ ืืขืืจื ืืืฆืืื ืืื ืืงืืื ืขืืืื, ืืืืืงื ืืืืืฆื ืื ืืชื ืืช ืจืืื ืืื, ืืฉืืื ืืช ืฉืืืชื ืืขืื ืืื, ืืจืืืช ืืฉืืืชื ืฉื ืื ืืฉืจืื ืืืืื.
ืโื ืืืโื ืืืฆืคื ืืจืืื ืฉืืื, ืืืชืืื ืืคื ื ืโ ืืืจืฆืืช ืืืืื, ืืืืืจ ืขืื ืื, ืืชืืจืช ืืืงืื ืืืื, ืื ืืื ืืืืจื ืืจืืืช ืืฉืืืช ืฆืืื ืืืจืืฉืืื
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December 2, 2025 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2480207ujmParticipant“I would cool it a bit on that โfar, far betterโ stuff. The Muslims in the Middle Ages were in fact far better than the Christians, but they went through centuries of decline and radicalization, way before Zionism, and the Christians went through the Renaissance and Enlightenment which weakened the power of the Church. By the time Europe had come up with new secular โreasonsโ to be antisemitic, the Muslims had caught up with or surpassed them.
Yaakov:
Tach V’tat, the Pograms, the Holocaust and many other incidents were after “the Renaissance and Enlightenment”. Yes, absulutely, even after the Renaissance and Enlightenment (until the Baflour Declaration made under Zionist pressure) Jews living under Muslim rule had it โfar, far betterโ than the Jews living in Europe or under Christian rule.
Rav Shach was not speaking theoretically at all. He answered real Sheilos both during the Camp David Accords and the Oslo Accords. Do you seriously think Rav Shach held it would be OK to surrender Israeli sovereignty ENTIRELY to the Arabs? Or are you again playing your game of moving the goal posts?”
Yes, absulutely, as HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl said, anything that results in peace is worth surrendering Israeli land for. Even the entire State, if that would result in greater peace. HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl’s main point is peace is more important than land. Even giving up sovereignty of ALL the land.
December 2, 2025 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2480206ujmParticipant“He wasnโt speaking theoretically. He was asked by the Chareidi politicians whether to vote in favor of the โOslo Agreementโ. He never for a second suggested the State of Israel surrender its entire sovereignty to the Arabs or anyone else, which is what you are suggesting. He also qualified his psak, as you said โIF in fact surrendering land to the Arabs would result in peace.โ Thatโs a really big IF, donโt you think so?”
Shimon:
HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl point is the same if surrendering the entire State would result in peace, HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl psak is then it is obligatory to surrender the entire State.
Yes, absolutely, as I said earlier, HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach ztโl said if it results in peace.
ujmParticipantqwerty: The entire MO movement is misguided; and that’s being very charitable.
The modus operandi of MO is to water down Judaism to its lowest common denominator to make it palatable and acceptable to anyone.
qwerty, if Rabbi Schachter or Rabbi Willig ever said the State and Zionism was an error or that women should be strongly encouraged to not have a career and be stay at home or that women should not be learning Torah Shebal Peh or that people should not be going to universities these days due to the rampant apikorsus and pritzus or that young men should be strongly encouraged to go to Kollel or that everyone is required to have a strong filter on any Internet connection or that mixed seating at weddings are not permitted, they’d be run out of town by the MO crowd faster than you can say goodbye and be out of their job. They know where their bread is buttered and most toe the line.
Just a couple of weeks ago Rabbi Schachter publicly apologized for a letter he wrote to a judge encouraging that a Jewish prisoner be released. Nothing changed between the time he wrote the letter until he apologized other than the MO crowd got angry at him for writing it.
ujmParticipantPlease repost it again. It may have gotten stuck in a spam filter.
ujmParticipantYaakov Yosef: It is mandatory that every Torah Jew to make a ืึฐืึธืึธื against an attack on Bnei Torah, as the above signatories publicly committed in this letter.
December 1, 2025 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm in reply to: Are there any limits actually enforced by the moderators? #2479719ujmParticipantsomejewiknow: In addition to what you pointed out, the Zionists collaborated and worked with the actual Nazis during the Holocaust to achieve their mutual goals.
The most infamous, but far from only, example is the Kapo Rudolf Kastner working hand in hand for years with Nazi Adolf Eichmann ym”s. Kastner literally worked in Eichmann’s office for years and they met and worked together for years.
December 1, 2025 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2479698ujmParticipantYaakov Yosef: No doubt we suffered in Golus *everywhere* we lived and suffered tragedies at the hands of the local Goyim regardless of location.
That being said, what I earlier stated that prior to Zionism Jewish life under Muslim rule was far far better than Jewish life under the rule of non-Muslims is absolutely 100% undisputable fact.
December 1, 2025 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2479668ujmParticipantdbrim: Zionism started long before 1948. Chevron occured *after* the advent of Zionism.
December 1, 2025 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2479655ujmParticipantYaakov Yosef/Yankel:
We are following in the footsteps of HaGaon HaRav Elazar Menachem Man Shach zt”l, who also spoke theoretically when he paskened that it is absolutely worthwhile and even obligatory for the State of Isrel to surrender land to the Arabs for peace, if in fact surrendering land to the Arabs would result in peace.
ujmParticipantmdd: I know firsthand what you erroneously think you know, but are mistaken based on second or thirdhand misinformation.
ujmParticipantujmParticipantujmParticipantujmParticipantqwerty: They’re personally frum in their own lives but they’re misguided in how they lead their followers.
November 30, 2025 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2479134ujmParticipantdbrim: The Chevron massacre was a direct result of Zionism. Prior to Zionism Jewish life under Muslim rule was far far better than Jewish life under the rule of non-Muslims.
ujmParticipantThese signatories and their so-called letter are utter fools. A bunch of am haaratzim.
If they weren’t Jewish they could credibly be charged with antisemitism.
November 30, 2025 11:12 am at 11:12 am in reply to: Proposed Solution to the Arab-Zionist Conflict: Non-Denominational State #2478585ujmParticipantYankel: You still failed to answer the hypothetical question directly. If it was absolutely established — even according to YOUR satisfaction and the satisfaction of EVERYONE — that a non-denomination/non-ethnic/neutral State in the Holy Land would be absolutely safer for Jews and less deadly for Jews than the continuing existance of the State of Israel, would you then agree in that very specific circumstance and scenario that the State of Israel should be abolished and replaced with a democratic non-denomination/non-ethnic/neutral State?
ujmParticipantAgudas Yisroel was founded jointly by Rav Chaim Brisker, the Gerrer Rebbe, the Chofetz Chaim, the Belzer Rebbe, Rav Chaim Ozer Grodzinski, the Belzer Rebbe, Rav Meir Simcha of Dvinsk, Rav Moshe Greenwald (the Arugas HaBosem), the Czortkow Rebbe, Rav Itzele Rabinowitz of Ponevezh, and even the Munkatcher Rebbe(!! though the Munkatcher later withdrew).
You couldn’t get a better full fledged alliance between the greatest of the greatest from both the Litvishe and Chasidishe velts.
ujmParticipantmdd: False. The Beis Haleivi was the Rov is Slutsk and he absolutely never prevented that they be buried in the regular Jewish cemetery in Slutsk, where he was the authority. The only thing he didn’t do was use Chasidishe shechita. Nothing more or less.
Ishpurim: You have machlokes rabbonim within every group. Whether the Litvish Ponovezh, the Sefardim, the Chasidim, R’ Yaakov Emden and R’ Yonasan Eibshitz, the Rambam and his opponents. etc. It doesn’t detract from the greatness of all sides.
Of course there are exceptions such as Reform, Karaites, MO, Conservative, Zionism etc.
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