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Better to have one Yehudi than ten nochrim.

DaMoshe/ZSK: My message wasn’t addressed to either of you, as I’ve done you no wrongs (real or even perceived). No need to flatter yourselves.

Yes.

Maran R’ Shteinman Tells Yeshiva Student To ‘Go To India’ Instead Of IDF

Yeshiva student visited with HaGaon HaRav Aaron Yehuda Leib Shteinman Shlita seeking the Gadol Hador’s advice as he feels he can no longer remain in beis medrash, lacking fulfillment from his learning as he explained his situation. According to a Kikar Shabbat report, the young man asked what his next step in life should be, explaining to the rav he is considering enlistment into the IDF as an option.

The rav took the young man by surprise to put it mildly, instructing him “travel to India” in response to his thoughts of joining the IDF.

ubiq — Furthermore, in practice, like most things, the vast majority of Torah observant Klal Yisroel absolutely does follow Rav Moshe on this. Even the Young Israel shuls that used to have an open parking lot on Shabbos have all long closed them. There was one Young Israel in Las Vegas that was at one point the last Young Israel in the country that had it.

None2.0: Jews are obligated to censor themselves. And to censor others who fail to censor themselves.

At least if you’re an Orthodox Torah-observant Jew.

ubiq: Do you pull this stuff out of a hat or simply make it up as you go along?

Rav Shlomo Zalman does NOT permit it whatsoever. All he permits is inviting someone on Shabbos IF you offer him a place to sleep so that he doesn’t have to be Mechallel Shabbos to come. He does NOT permit renting a parking lot so people can drive there on Shabbos, like AAQ and his father wanted.

Do you really fail to see the huge, tremendous and significant difference?

And Rav Ahron Leib holds exactly as Rav Moshe.

pekak: There’s much much less people who speak Yiddish who would post shmutz than there are such people who speak English.

AAQ: It is unquestionably a million times better to not go to Shul on Shabbos than to be Mechallel Shabbos by driving to Shul.

Rocky:

What you just suggested is, effectively, that if 50% – 70% of IDF enlistees who join the Zionist Army while religious end up being irreligious upon their discharge from the IDF, that if no official scientific study documenting this was that conducted, then we should all bury our heads in the sand and ignore this phenomenon and simply let it go on producing more and more and more irreligious people out of formerly observant Jews — because, after all, no scientific study was ever conducted.

There’s never been a scientific study proving that religious people who started engaging in znus became OTD; so Rocky will argue that “it would seem anyone who makes a speculative statement such as “50%-70% of frum boys go off the derech due to engaging in znus, is using made-up statistics and should be condemned for putting such an idea in people’s minds.”

pekak: A system like that can easily be abused by creating on-demand throwaway/burner logins just to post shmutz.

ChiefShmerel: I’m born and bred Yeshivish and I first heard the term in the coffee room here (years ago). I don’t ever remember hearing it used in real life.

Simcha: Your poisoned into thinking that Daati Leumi and Modern Orthodox are just normal variations of Judaism or simply another shitta, like Beis Shamai v Beis Hillel or Rav Yisroel Salanter v Rav Chaim Ozer. But that is far from the case. DL and MO, while certainly not open apikorsos ( are at its core identifying “cause célèbre” deviations from normative Judaism.

My earlier point was not every so-called shitta is legitimate. Just like Conservative and Reform aren’t legitimate shittas, so, too, Zionism isn’t a legitimate shitta. I wasn’t comparing DL to Conservative/Reform; I was pointing out by example that not ever shitta is legit.

Simcha613: Do you envy the din vecheshbon of someone who can be Motzi la’az so publicly on the entire Masorti/Conservative/Reform tzibur, including rabbanim, dayanim, and talmidei chachanim?

Do you hope they are able to do teshuva before that time comes, but considering the amount of genuine mechila they will need, it’s will be a monumental achievement?

Ysiegel:

I’d be very interested in hearing the rest of your take.

Thank you