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ubiq: Why would you say it doesn’t hold water? Shulchan Aruch paskens that a wife is exempt from Kibud Av V’Eim, which is not only a m’doraisa but is actually one of the Aseres Hadibros!, due to her obligations of serving her husband exempts her from her father and mother.
According to your line of thought, you should argue that she should still be chayiv in Kibud Av V’Eim when she isn’t serving her husband. Yet the Halacha is that she’s not.
(The husband’s obligations of Kibud Av V’Eim precedes his obligations to his wife.)
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ubiq: Two minor points:
At a chasuna it’s usually difficult to have an area for a minyan where you can have a mechitza.
And, while it might involve less effort than taking care of multiple children, even after the children left the house the wife’s first obligation is to serve her husband. (That’s the reason she’s halachicly exempt from Kind Av V’Eim, while married, since she must serve her husband first.)
Jude: It would be more compelling if you brought a S”A or Psak Halacha regarding women attending daily.
What else is the point that almost ever Shul in the world has the עזרת נשים ?
What geographic region are you based in?
Who is the original source of the claim that Sara Schnirer learnt Gemora?
pekak: What I wrote is the actual Halacha.
Yankel: It isn’t an “argument”; it’s a befeirush Chazal, Shulchan Aruch and Rambam. And Rashi explains it to mean that she’ll be led to engage in immorality.
A child is obligated to follow his father’s minhagim.
AAQ: If Rav Ahron had sent a shliach to borrow a book from the New York Public Library that wasn’t readily available elsewhere, and you found the index card from the NYPL with his name on it, would you take that to mean he gave his haskama to the NYPL, including its indecent and obscene materials?
There have been many talmidei chachomim who have utilized the JTS library in Manhattan, which is even more comprehensive than the YU library; yet I can assure you than none of them intended their borrowing a book there to indicate that Conservative “Judaism” is not kefira.
CS: “We are not ba’alei tshuva… We BH have a mesorah.”
Didn’t you mention in an earlier comment that your parent is a BT?
Rocky: Your information is incorrect. Here are some of the quotes you are asking for:
Rav Aharon Kotler ZTV’L, in Mishnas Rabi Aharon (Vol. 3, Hesped on the Brisker Rav) states that the essence of Modern Orthodoxy is the same as the Reform and Conservative. That is, change Judaism into something that more people will be willing to accept.
Rav Shimon Schwab wrote (Mitteilungen, Bulletin of Khal Adas Yeshurun April/May 1989): “Sometimes the Modern Orthodox halachic foolishness which is flirting with the anti-Torah establishment, may border on heresy. This is all part and parcel of the spiritual confusion of the dark ages in which we happen to live. However, in addition to the legitimate shitos we have discussed, there is yet another, more modern version in vogue called “Torah Umaada”. Apparently this is identical with Torah Im Derech Eretz, especially since both claim a belief in the priority of Torah over maada. Both seems exactly alike, but like two left gloves which cannot be worn together, they don’t fit! . . .”
(Selected Essays pp.160-162):
“Rav Hirsch ZT’L has inscribed two emblems on his banner. One is Torah Im Derech Eretz and the other is the so-called “Austritt”, which means severance, or total and non-recognition of any type of institutionalized heresy, “minus” or apikursus. This is also a resolution not to contribute, participate in, or support any cause which accords validity to the disbelief in Hashem or to the denial of the authenticity of Torah shebiksav or Torah shebaal peh. In other words, “Austritt” states that the Torah is our sovereign ruler, and it makes us independent of all those who deny its Divine origin…“To summarize, Torah im derech eretz without Austritt is considered treif l’chol hadeios! Even if you call it Torah Umaada.”
The battle against YU by the Yeshiva world is not, nor was it, a simple issue of Halachic or Hashkafic disagreement which can be dismissed as routine if accompanied with the obligatory respect for the opposing view, as per ailu v’ailu etc. Not so. Rather, YU was viewed as a deviant, dangerous, and anti-Torah entity that doesn’t deserve the respect of a legitimate Torah position, even a mistaken one. Rav Aharon Kotler ZTL once commented about Rav Soloveitchik, “He is respnsible for the majority of Tumah in America.” Also from the same Rav Aharon, “He destroyed an entire generation of Jews.” Rav Aharon Kotler ZT’L said many times that he will not enter YU because it is bad. His son, Rav Schneur ZT’L, followed suit. Rav Elchonon Wasserman ZT’L also, when he came to America in the ’30s, was invited to speak in YU, and he refused to even walk in to the place.
Rabbi J.B. Soloveichik was wrong on any number of issues.
Dorah: As long as you’re not committing a crime, you have nothing to worry about.
SR: How do you define “win”? Does Russia win and Ukraine lose if at the end of this war Russia controls more Ukrainian territory than it did in 2021? Than in 2013? Is the only definition of Russia losing if it loses every inch of Ukrainian territory it is occupying?
Also, it is rather highly unlikely Russia will go after any country that’s part of NATO. Even if it wins in Ukraine.
A Yirei Shmayim will be always be a better candidate than an alternative.
As to the immediate question at hand, America publicly, strongly and explicitly warned Ukraine for six months before the war that Russia WILL attack them in war. And the idiot Zelenaky kept publicly replying up to the day of the invasion “no way, Russia is just trying to scare us but will keep the peace.”
Russia and Ukraine are both bad guys, from both a historical and contemporary perspective.
Ukraine is the worse of the two, especially historically but even contemporarily.
They’re both made for each other. Let their mutual “love” continue.
All this is the greatest proof in support of the Halacha that prohibits teaching women.
Dorah: Would you vote for
1. Stalin over Trump?
2. Pol Pot over George Bush?
3. Kim Jong-Un over Ted Cruz?
4. Biden over Republican Abraham Lincoln?
5. Jimmy Carter over Republican Teddy Roosevelt?
A simple yes or no for the five above scenarios is sufficient. Your reasoning can easily be deduced from your yes or no. The only additional detail worthwhile adding for any of the above, is if you’d sit out the election and not vote even if your non-vote could potentially, effectively, let “the other guy” win.
If America’s drug crisis was reduced to the level experienced in the frum community, America would be hailing the end of the crisis and a resounding victory in the war against drugs.
WB BaalHabooze!
Dofi: The Rambam in Hilchos Ishus 21:10 is saying that Beis Din can administer corporal punishment to the wife, in such circumstances. NOT that the husband can.
CS: Please do not lookup it Gemora, as the Shulchan Aruch, Rambam and virtually all the Rishonim and Achronim who rule on the subject pasken that girls/women learning Torah Shebal Peh leads to Tiflus, which Rashi explains is immorality. (Something we unfortunately see came all too true, in many of the communities that in recent decades disregarded this Halacha.)
And the psak from the Chofetz Chaim allowing a limited exception due to the fact that many females were going off the derech, specifically did not permit breaching the aforementioned Halacha in regards to teaching girls Mishnayos or Gemorah.
CTL: Is this Pesach a good time for us to come to the compound? Whenever works for the CTL family, I’ll try to make work for us.
Don’t blame the messenger because you don’t like the message. I didn’t author the Shulchan Aruch OR the Rambam.
user:176 — So, then, why are they going to Orlando?
Jack, what was different between 1967 and 2005?
Speaking of shivgers… What is the difference between an in-law and an outlaw?
.pǝʇuɐʍ ǝɹɐ sʍɐlʇno :ɹǝʍsuⱯ
Hadorah: Why are you against the IDF permanently occupying Gaza?
Anything to make a buck.
AJ: Halacha describes who is an apikorus. There’s morning wrong and everything right with calling out an apikorus as an apikorus. The Chofetz Chaim, the gold standard of what is and isn’t Loshon Hora, clearly paskens that everyone should publicly humiliate an apikorus.
The latest Peach getaway advertised in Mishpacha and Ami is in Alexandria… Egypt.
Hadorah: I paraphrased the Halacha in the same simple language it is written in the Shulchan Aruch and the Rambam. I didn’t embellish or add any commentary.
Aseh maat: Sadly, I must admit that your “suspicion” is accurate. I’m sorry for being a man. I’ll try better next time.
Until then I’ll try to remember that men have no right to talk about halachos regarding women. I’ll start correcting this error of thousands of years of male misogyny by going around to all the Butei Medrashim and Yeshivos that I can to confiscate all Seder Noshim in Mishnayos, Mesechtes Sotah in the Gemoras, of course Mishneh Torah Sefer Nashim and all other such Seforim authored exclusively by (yuck) men.
“How is this relevant at all”
It’s directly related. If there’s a proscription of them then being outside in public altogether too much, then kal vchomer you shouldn’t be plastering their pictures all over the place to be displayed 24/7. (Even if you disagree with this very strong correlation, you certainly can’t deny this is at least a strong argument.)
“and what purpose does it have here other than to breed negativity for your entertainment?”
Why would you assume it’s designed to breed negativity, when all that was said was nothing more than a simple Halacha from Shulchan Aruch and Rambam (that is also in the Gemora and throughout the Halacha seforim throughout the generations without anyone making a machlokes against it.) Unless this Halacha makes you uncomfortable.
Halachos don’t make me uncomfortable. You do.
The Rambam paskens that a husband shouldn’t allow allow his wife to leave the house more than once or twice a month. The Shulchan Aruch paskens the same, except instead of giving a specific number (once or twice) he paskens not to allow her out “too much”.
How is this relevant at all and what purpose does it have here other than to breed negativity for your entertainment?Paging @Sam Klein.
Reb Elezer: Whose posts are still missing?
little froggie: posting timestamp reflects vwhen a moderator approved a post (from whichever time zone in the world he may have been in) rather than when it was submitted.
It’s silly to be silly.
Friends let friends be silly.
The left has no intellect.
Kuvult: You really think girls are so vain?
There’s no private messaging here.
Shlomo: You think that boys and girls violating the halachos regarding the interaction between males and females are mainly transpiring by college age men and women? It’s happening just as much by those in their 30s, 40s, and 50s. A 20-something Chabad “rebbetzin” on campus will not be half as adequate as an experienced Rov or Rebbetzin in their 50s and 60s.
And this isn’t a chabad specialty either. If you’re looking for an okay-man who will assuge you that your aveiros aren’t so bad and everyone else is doing it anyways, so don’t fret over it too much, you can get someone even less judgemental by seeking out a conservative or reform rabbi.
Reb Eliezer: Which threads/comments are missing?
I agree this is more on the parents than on the schools. I don’t know why anyone would expect teachers to be more competent than parents in this regard. If it is a struggle for parents who live with their eight children 24 hours (minus school time), seven days a week for at least the first 18 years of their lives, then even more so for educators who each see dozens and dozens of children for only six hours a day, four or five days a week, for a handful of years.
Also, this isn’t a school rule, this is a Hashem rule.
And if you do go to a Rov or Rebbetzin (which is certainly a good idea), much better a much experienced one than a “young” one. (Calling Reb Shlomo; and it surely shouldn’t be limited to a Chabad one.)
What on earth are you ranting about? What kumzits? What trips to Israel? What stigmatization?
And what excuse does any bochur have to be missing minyanim?
There’s lots and lots and lots of working baalei batim, in case you just landed from Mars and never noticed. No one is stigmatizing those that had gotten a degree or decided to become a working stiff. Last I noticed many many people respect folks in our community who are accountants, bankers, candle stick makers, open a grocery, deal in real estate, computer programmers, sales and manafacturing.
The Agudah long has been offering COPE and PCS. There are other similar services in our communities. There has never been any shame associated with this or with working. Who else is paying Yeshiva tuitions, building Shuls, Butei Medrashim, Chesed organizations (Hatzalah, Bikur Cholims, health organizations, gemachs, etc.)?
Many frum single girls look for working boys.
What planet are you on?