ubiquitin

Health

I dont know fake halacha so well, but I’ll bite. Why was he a treifa?

You also didnt respond to my question to you. here it is again:

“If it tuns out that Officers Ramos and Liu have ever stolen anything in their lives (even a shava perutah or less), ever been mevarech Hashem, gilui Arayos etc, then it is “very good” that they got shot!?”

Nequeitam

– “The Jury decided that there was no case to answer” I beleive the jury was wrong. And this isnt the first time

-“the Jury’s verdict is doubtless better informed that mine or yours'” Doubtless? A jury of 12 people too dumb to get out of jury duty is now doubtless? You are aware that in choosing a jury lawyers avoid educated people as thye prefer people they can manipulate.

also you have quite a few “probably”s in your post.

-“but you appear unclear as to the process, and freely say that you have no idea how the law can be improved.”

I have lots of ideas bu we are already of topic, if something is worng I dont think you have to offer a better solution inorder to be allowed to protest.

-“don’t actually seem to know why”

Weve been going at this for quite a few posts, you can disagree with me obviously, but I think Ive been pretty clear on why I think an injustice occured here.

-Your congress suggestion was hilarious btw (I assume you were kidding, if you were serious that paragraph is more naive than the one about the infalliable jury)

– “That enough for ya’?”

No! Thats a “probably” and “almost certainly” Definitely not enough to get off scot free fur killing (even accidentally)

-“And I will always support the right to protest”

Again so we agree! as Ive said from my very first post that mentioned you.

-“th officers had no idea he had asthma”

The guy looked like a walking health disaster. YW fan says he wheezed when he taked and couldnt walk a block.

-” But the system then was not the system of today”

Not sure if you are serious. It is exactly the same!

-“that case is evidence of a possible incorrect jury ruling is both conjecture and inaccurate.”

Agreed! it was definitely incorrect jury ruling (Oj later all but confessed). (Though I wonder how you can judge that case if you arent clued in to the events of that trial)

YW fan glad to help (though we have covered this)

If he didnt have asthma they would be LESS culpable in murder. I gave an example of pushing on a person’s head. with a tiny bit of force. If by some freak accident a person died as a result of that, it wouldnt be murder, (maybe manslaughter). However if the persn was an infant with a open fontanelle (“soft spot”) you wouldnt say (I hope) well the baby’s physical condition led to its death.

Or (more direct nalagy) if I find a chronic COPD’R who is oxygen dependent and I clamp down on his oxygen supply watch him die as he gasps “I cant breathe” Would you say, well if he wasnt so sick clamping on oxygen wouldnt kill him so his medical issues are what casued death not my choking off his oxygen supply.

Health,

I’m not sure if you are serious, Garner wasn’t being arrested/killed for grand larceny. What does that have to do with anything? Are you aying becasue of his stealing in the past it allows for him to be killed?

If so, it would follow based on your “logic” that any body who stole ever can just be killed.

If it tuns out that Officers Ramos and Liu have ever stolen anything in their lives (even a shava perutah or less), ever been mevarech Hashem, gilui Arayos etc, then it is “very good” that they got shot!?

And you have the nerve to attribute this gross krumkeit to Hashem?

Health

you are making less and less sense, in the wild west theri was free reign to kill whomever you didnt like, we do not live in the wild west, that is why the police should be held to a standard and answer for their actions.

you must have a different list of 7 mitzvos, mine doesnt include selling loose cigarettes. What on Earth are you talking about,.

Please don’t insult the Torah by dragging it in to defend your krum bloodthirsty shitos. Everybody from Reform going full circle to Neturei karta also claims they have the Torah on their side. If you have a source indicating that selling loose cigarettes or resisting arrest is punishable by the death penalty fine otherwise stop claiming to speak for Hashem.

Lior

So we agree, this discussion was if there is a right to protest. Yw fan in the op says no.

Health

Are you serious “very good” that a person was killed. I can disagree with those who say it was sad but unavoidable and the police shouldnt be held accountable. You don’t deserve talking to. Killing unarmed, harmless people for crimes that dont carry the deatg penalty, is never “very good” and I dont see how a good person can call it such.

Gamnit,

Not good enough, after holding his breath causing him to gasp for air, they shouldve provided oxygen and probably albuterol and steroids too. Not doing so is part of their act of murder.

Yw fan

Neutiquam does not agree with you “in this case it (violence) was too much”

Yw fan

Lior, yes

DY, I briefly alluded to that earlier. among Asian cultures the custom on Christmas is davka to give money and not presents, though I am not sure if that would be a factor, since if we were to ban every custom any society has that is related to A”Z there woudlnt be much left to do. What are your thoughts. Shoudl the Asian custom be a factor (according to the Gr”a) or do we limit it to custom’s that surronding society does?

In English that is called choking to death

YW are you serious? It means he is about to stop breathing A body cant sustain breathing @ 50 for too long, especially if in spite of that he isnt oxygenating well.

So let me get this straight, if im choking somone he says I cant breathe I cant breathe then passes out and dies. I didnt kill him, since obviously he was able to breathe while I choked him (since he was talking), and then he just happned to pass out for some other reason nothing to do with my chokehold on his neck. Do you actually beleive this?

Picturesq, resisting arrest doenst carry the death penalty

YW fan there is nothing there to change anybody’s mind. I hope.

The video of Garner being killed is widely available. If not enought o convict, at the least it shouldve led to a trial that it didnt is a travesty of justice that should lead all to protest.

This line “he died as a result of poor health and cardiac arrest. Mr. Garner was obese and had a history of asthma, diabetes, and other health issues resulting from his poor medical condition.” is even more nonsense, so using this “logic” if I kill someone who is oxygen dependent by say clamping on his O2 supply, I am not culpable since if the victim dint require a steady oxygen supply, my clmaing a tube wouldnt have harmed him. That he suffered from chronic ailments is reason for the police to have been even more cautious in how they subdue the non-violent felon, not less so!

shoejoe. Those tunes are kown as “misinai” as an expression they arent litterally from Sinai.

As to the OP’s question outside of written word it is hard (impossible?)to pass down a mesorah over that long a period. Think of tzaras/exact color of techeiles which have been lost over the years. Even within the written word think how many machlokasim have arisen over the years, even involving basic things like sounds of shofar, orders of parshiyos of tefilin, of course explanations have been given as to how those disagreements arose, but the interuptions/confusion/disagreement in our mesorah is real (we have ways to deal with it, his isnt a question). Even within the written Torah their are differences between ours and chazal’s and even among ours their are 10 differences between most of ours and Teimanim (the most well known of which is Dakah with a “heh” or “aleph”) That tunes have been lost is o be expected.

scared not quite. Anti-vaccinators are not interested in the truth, if they were this one would be easy since they can look at any of dozens of peer reviewed studies proving the safety of vaccines.

Anti-vaccinators are guilty people putting theri own and other children at risk.

If an ignoramus came along and innocently asked vaccine safety be proven, no problem do a quick pubmed search.

What? DY and I are in agreement, (baruch shechiyanu…)

Also here is where your point really falls apart. You (now) say there isn’t anything technically wrong with it, which of course make it mutar. But it isnt “in the spirit”

Now most people giving gifts, arent giving it to be like goyim, they are either giving it because that is the present day minhag (or “minhag” if you prefer, i.e what is done lemaseh) So you are saying that they should think they are doing it to be like goyim, making it not in the spirit and therefore avoid it. Being “in the spirit” of something, by definition requires people to think about the connotation you ascribe to the act

That doesnt necessarily make it assur, please see the chanukah gift thread for further info. (Or Y.D. 178 if you are really adventurous)

Thanks DY great source.

Lior in case you have trouble, he lumps together both gift giving/money using them interchangebly and wonders whether BOTH are chukas akum, ofc ourse cites the Rema that since has a rational reason both are allowed.

(As an aside oomis the chashmanoim were far far from the first to mint coins)

Lior, Not quite the rema says a minhag thta has a rational explanation his example is special outfit for doctors) isnt assur.

Are you saying gift giving isnt rational?

Did you read the Rema?

The funniest part to me is that if we were having this discussion a century from now (or if our Grandchildren would), once the minhag has completley evolved to gifts, EEK and Lior will be defending the ancient heilege minhag of giving davka gifts on chanuka. Pointing out all sorts of hidden kabbalastic interpretations, If you take the first to letters of “matana” in mispr kattan it equas 8 keneged the days of chanukah, while the mispar kattan of the last to letters is 10 keneged the seva sephiros and the three avos etc…

While I (or Grandchildren) will point out actually, minhag of gifts are fairly new and a century ago people argued it was actually goyish.

Minhagim always evolve. chazal don’t mention chanuka Gelt, neither do any Rishonim The minhag of gelt started later and like many minhagim evolved now the minhag is changing to Gifts (among some).

Is the mekor from Goyim? Probably (Though I’m willing to bet that Gelt came from Goyim too but no source at the moment)

does that make it assur? Well we have halachos for that go through Y.D. 178. It is quite hard to argue that it is assur.

Voos epes, by far most people here (and not here for that matter)disagree with you.

That we don’t comment is becasue of several reasons, including:

1) PBA and others are doing a fine job pointing out how wrong/foolish you are

2) You arent bright enough nor honest enough to realize the errors of your ways, so arguing with you may be a waste of time

Lior, we can discuss that separately, as they did in fact promote the cult but this is waaay off topic. Regardless though you havent answered my question:

“can you give an example that makes you view Ami as left of center?”

DY, it you keep claiming that my point has been addressed whn it has not. Though I dont want to hijack this thread for that point.

As to your question why boys arent dateless, it is becasue the system as set up favors the boys (favors is an understatment.) The boys are essentially given a list of girls and told to start picking. Boy says “Yes” To A even if she says no, he will then say “Yes” to B and so on and so forth until he gets that Yes. Therfore a guy is essentially gauranteed a date, regardless of the age gap.

Thanks for conceding though that the the age discrepency of married couples isnt based on hard data.

The question is a non-sequitor: Sacry movies are less dangerous than both French fries and Roller coasters,and less dangerous than walking down the street. Yet they are scarier.

Will Iran get nuclear weapons? Yes

Will Israel stop it? no

What is behind all this? A desire to show how strong they are.

There is a medrash somehwere thats says anything you want.

What is the reason that Hashem put us in such a matzav? Nobody can know

And is this connected to Gog Mimagog in any way? ditto

1) “Codes” have been found in Moby dick War and Peace among other works.

2) “Codes” can be found in any string of ranodom letters if you don’t decide beforhand what you are looking for. For example If you spell out the first letters of the names of the months January, February etc… You get jfmamjJASONd. Cleary a secret code to Jason, if your name is Jason they are alluding to you.

It allways struck me that the codes are used to predict facts after they occur. After Obama is elected they found codes alluding to it. ItMAy be impressive if before the election they had looked for Obama and Romney and bad news for Romney his name isnt there.

Or better yet, I’d like to see the codes predict who will win in 2016, it shouldnt be too hard it can probably be broken down to at most say 50 possibilities thats nothing for a computer to run. Have them predict the winner, then we can talk.

No Lior the Rema lived in a rural society (16th century Poland) when all had access to chicken to how to feed them hold them and care for them. It is a minhag tbut as others have pointed out their are halachos too. The Rema would not recognize kapporas today .

Sam2. I think it is because the Yeshivish world is terrified of calls for change even if warrented. Especially when it is called for by “animal rights activists” or scientists or those perceived as “liberal”

Lior Kapparos as practiced today has zero to do with the Rema. In the Rema’s days people had chickens so once a year before shecting it anyway they twirled it around their head first. I assure you the Rema didnt have thousands of chickens trucked into to cite is from who knows where then stored in the sun with little food and water. Then to be shechted and discarded. And no most of the cickens do not go to the poor. There is too much effort to clean all thos echickens most are killed and thrown in the garbage. This was not the minhag as practiced byt the Rema or even a mere century ago.