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Joseph
Somebody earlier mentioned hats, I’m curious as to your take on this.
There are two fine, and otherwise equal, Yidden. One spent his entire life being careful to only go on Shabbos with a shtreimel. When he traveled he either took along a shtreimel or borrowed one. At home he spent the extra dollars, despite his meager income, on always buying a shtreimel. Despite the extra costs, hassles, he was always happy to serve Hashem.
The second fine Yid lived a righteous life almost the same way as the first. The only notable difference was that he happily davened with a fedora. He had his hat on at home, work and away. If Borsalino was on sale or cheaper than Kraus’s, Borsalino was the brand he put on his head.
Will the first Yid get any more Olam Haba than the second for having been careful to only wear a shtreimel?
Or to use your rephrased question:
The premise here is that going on shabbos without a shtreimel is muttar.
Is there any spiritual benefit for a person to choose to wear a shtreimel?
Joseph
Im not that well versed in “spiritual benefits”
But “Is there any spiritual benefit for a person to choose not to eat Cholov Stam?” Probably for some people, probably some times.
then again I am sure that there are also spiritual benefits for a person to choose to eat chalav stam. Though again, depending on the person and situation.
Jospeh
“I see, there should never be halachic discussions since everyone has a Rov.”
I never implied or said otherwise!
“If you hold that CS is muttar wouldn’t you want to know if there’s ever any spiritual reason to spend more money on a gallon of CY milk or buy CY chocolate or ice cream rather than CS milk, chocolate or ice cream?”
sure! though
a. thats not the way you laid it out in the op.
b. It is my firm belief that once we enter the land of muttar. “spiritual reasons” involving higher levels are not for anonymous posters to decide, since by defintion they depend on each persons level which you cannot possibly know. See these threads:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-requirement-for-everyone-to-give-tochachah
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/halachick-dinner-what-do-you-think-about-it
Maybe Im the biggest baal nefesh who ever lived in which case youd be right to push me to avoid chlav stam. Maybe I just started keeping kohser and struggle daily with it in which case you would be wrong. The point is once mutar, and when trying to get “spiritual levels” or “more olam haba” Worry about yourself not others!
p.s.
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(I added that last part)
Joseph
“but an answer can be ascertained and in fact needs to be ascertained”
I disagree with both. For example in your OP if the Ribono shel olam where to aks my opinion, I would say if guy A avoided CY so he can brag to others what a baaal nefesh he is or to gloat on an online forum how frum he is while guy b is a “fine righteous” yid who followed his posek then guy b would get more olam haba.
But again I have no idea, none of us do. This is a question that cannot be answered nor should it be. Be the best you can be, dont worry about getting more olam haba than the next guy. That is a very immature way to approach life.
What is there to add? 99% of your post is something that 100% people would agree on.
The only part that MIGHT be more nuanced is lipid profiles, which the general consensus is to check all at age 35, those with risk factors at 25.
Even if you insist that lieterally everybody should have lipid profile regrdless of age or risk stratification. I still wouldnt argue since the expense and risk are minimal.
So what are you looking for? machlokes lesehem machlokes?
Joseph
“So even if are to grant CS is muttar, as numerous authorities do, does that then negate those adherents from receiving greater schar?”
I dont know. That is above my paygrade. If the ribono shel olam really wants my opinion. Sure give them more! the more the merrier!
I dont make it a habit to try to limit opther people’s olam haba.
There is room for us all to get whatever we deserve.
“There is the fact that a baal nefesh should refrain from CS even though its muttar.”
so for a non baal nefesh….
cmon you can work this out
newbee
The answer to your question is quite simple
It is believed that males and females have generally equal mental capabilities (note: I am not saying I beleive it)
So as to your question:
“Why is there such a huge push to completely obliterate gender differences and eliminate traditional male and female professions? “
1) fairness. IF they have equal capabilities they should have equal oppurtunities.
2) For the betterment of society. Assuming men and women have equal capabilites, then statisticly of the 1000 best software coders 500 are men and 500 are women. If software coders are 75% male that means that there are 250 (female) coders out there better than 250 coders that you have, but have been shut out for another reason, perhaps their gender.
Again this is all based on the assumption that men and women are equally good at software coding
Joseph
Where did you get the notion that there is a limited amount of olam haba that has to bed divide up?
Even if there isnt enough olam haba to go around and it must be divide up,why cant we leave that to the ribono shel olam?
While on the subject though, my rebbe R’ Shurkin (a talmid of R’ Moshe) would often say you get double schar for eating chalav stam: for keeping kosher and for listening to the pesak of a gadol.
Joseph
1) must does not equal yeharg veal yaavor
2) Rav Heineman pretty much explictly said that beshas hadchak. He also explictly said that he was following R’ Aaron’s view shaking a wonas hand was allowed.
Even if R’ Aaron didnt hold that way Rav Heneman definitely does.
So as to “Please cite any first-rate posek who disagrees with this strong position of the Chazon Ish, the Steipler and Rav Moshe amongst many others.””
so we have (at least) 2 who disagree with the “Strong position” of the Gedolim you mentioned.
Please note: you didnt ask for any posek who says lechatchila it is ok to run around shaking womans hand.
“I would still feel safer running into Bernie Madoff, than into OJ Simpson. If that makes me a racist”
That doesnt make you a racist. However choosing Jefferey Dahmer over my black coworker would deffinlty make you a racist. and not a very smart one.
Joseph
Even if ou are right its not yehareg val yaavar according to him.
In context its clear he means “better to” or “should” not “must”. As is clear from the follow up.
Joseph
I named you two!
R av Heinemann allowed it beshes hadchak and said his Rebbi R’ Aaron Kotler held the same.
You decided this was limited to doctors. I relistened to the recording I have here it is verbatim:
In a question answer forum:
Questioner: “Is shaking a womans’ hand allowed in a business setting?”
Rav Heineman “I will tell you what my Rebbe said “mdarf rich arose dreyen fun deim”
Quetioner “But it isn’t assur?”
Rav Heinemn “It is better not”
questioner “But biless breira…?”
Rav Heineman “Well you aren’t giving me a choice either”
(laughter)
Joseph
“You can check this with Rav Heinemann. “
I have! I asked him about shaking hands in general he said he was quoting his rebbe (R’ Aaron) “besser zich arois dreien fun deim” In other words it is better to avoid it but not assur. (He agreed this was his intention)
I have this all on tape
It is not out of the world to say a handshake isnt derech chibah. Obviously R’ Moshe disagrees (at least a few decades ago).
Wolfish
As mentioned before. Most shuls do not mind. There are some who do.
If you are not sure and cannot ask it is safe to assume they do not mind (outside of main shul). with a few exceptions as mentioned above.
In the main shul it is safe to assume that most do mind.
Joseph
“Please cite any first-rate posek who disagrees with this strong position of the Chazon Ish, the Steipler and Rav Moshe amongst many others.”
Rav Heineman beshem R’ Aaron.
Wolfish.
We are going in circles
“If the rule, by default, is…”
There is no default, they make the rule. It can be “nusach of the kahal” or “nusach of the shul” they can even have a giant dreidel near the amud with sefard/ashkenaz/eidot mizrach and wild card on the sides that determines the nusach. In their shul they make the rules.
Most do not care.
Some will.
If you are unsure, ask them.
Wolf
In their shul they make the rules. Theycould be makpid that only people with names starting with w can daven for the amud or that only a certain nusach can be davened.
In most shuls its safe to assume that outside of the main beis medrash they dont mind if ou daven another nusach or if a non-w name davens. (I wouldnt assume this for certain kehillos identified in the previous question)
So to answer your question “”do I even have to worry about it?”
unlike the starting letter of the person davening which I doubt anybody cares about, there are definitely some shuls that are makpid on this. Best is to ask.
Flatbusher
You gave a reasonable and accurate explanation in your OP
” …they just prefer the middle name”
period.
“Thank you, chaplaintzvi. While you may generously choose to be mapkid on this in your shul, that doesn’t really answer the question when such conditions are not specified. I could just as easily see someone being makpid on such a matter.”
Thats why I dont get your question. As you correctly point out in your follow up post. Some are makpid and some are not. without asking the gabaim/owner/rabbi of the shul, how can any of us know?
That said, most probably wouldnt mind. Usually you can sense the “flavor” of the shul that would mind. For example congregations that put a very heavy emphasis on mesorah probably would be makpid, such as some sephardim, some chasidim and deffinitly yekes (mesowrah in their case).
Though even those that are generally makpid,might not be makpid for mincha/maariv which has less of a “established” feel than shachris (lets not debate whther it should or shouldnt be that way).
Bottom line: ask.
Ca
thanks, I read a different piece
CA
“Sure” Of course not! It is impossible to be sure.
Lets back up.
whether raising the minumam wage is good or bad for the ecnomy, or for the lower class for that matter has been debated for decades. Leading economists are torn on the issue. I am not claiming to have the definite answer
In your OP you asked a question “I don’t understand the rationale behind raising the minimum wage, doesn’t that make things more expensive?”
I explained why your assumptions were an oversimplification. I am not saying raising the minum wage is necessarily a good idea. I was just explaing the other side, and pointing out why your assumptions in the OP were wrong even if yoru conclusion isnt necessarily wrong.
Incidently the forbes article you cite does not say what you said. You claim increasing the minimum wage would increase the price. This is not at all what Worstall says.
Do I get to do kisuei hadam whent hey shecht it?
CA
If it was as simple as that economists wouldnt debate the point.
most agree that a certain minumum wage is needed. The question becomes what if anything should it be tied to. So the answer to your question is it allowed the little people to survive I guess that can be called “helped”
Of course others disagree.
Ca
exactly, as I have been saying throughout. Economics is not as simple as you laid out in your OP. all I have been doing is answering the question you opened with.
Kfb
see this thread:
CA
See my first line here
For example
Lawrence Mishel, president of the Economic Policy Institute believes it benefits the economy as a whole
New?
It has existed for at least 20 years.
It is your responsibility to instill good lessons in your children, not the “important looking ads” It is their job to make money. May you both be succesful
wait
“I know some of you probably think he’ll make the greatest president in history”
really? Is there anyone besides him who thanks that?
I’m not convinced he thinks it. I’m failry certain it is all a publicity stunt
CA
“however what is legally wrong with marrying one’s sister (what i meant originally when i said blood relatives) “
In my opinion nothing.
Though I could hear an argument regarding public safety, to wvoid genetic anomalies that would result from inbreeding. However, I dont find this convincing
Ca
You answered your own question. “People means a group of people” ie not pets.
The comparison to pets (or children) is silly. There is no ” union” if both parties arent in agreememt, and there is no “parties” if one cannot consent
“does this mean that blood relatives can get married, a man with his his pet, or even polygamy (i want to honor my spouses’ memory)”
Lets say it does. (Though pet isnt comparable, and I dont think polygamy should be banned, so the only realistic one in you list that bothers me is blood relatives)
Feivel
Ithink this has been discussed ad nauseum, and there is no real information here. I was just curios what you believed regarding starts having life/daas.
Thank you for answering.
Dy too.
I’m confused
Feivel and DY, Do you beleive the stars are alive and have daas?
Not there malach (which isnt what the Rambam says) but that they have daas?
Rew
“Could be they moved back to Europe were they originally came from doesn’t make it symbolic with racism.”
What?
White supremiscts who cannot fly a swastika instead choose to fly the confedarate flag. This is quite telling. No they arent descendents of southerners who left the US. Is that what you were saying?
“The same can be said of the Magen David. Being that the Jews had to wear it to allow for persecution during the WWII era, does that mean that the Israelis want their country persecuted therefore they use the Magen David on their flag.”
what? No.
Given that the flag was the symbol of a racist government and today has been adopted by white supremascists and neonazis should settle this discussion
I agree with Joseph. Those who are saying the US is a traitorous flag are being absurd. So in the UK they shouldnt fly it, ok that does make sense
At any rate today it is a symbol of racism. It is not a coincidence that the flag was raised on the SC courthouse in 1961 during the civil rights era.
Also consider the fact that the Confederate flag is often flown by neonazis and even in Europe where they have no connection to “southern pride” in coutries where the swastika is banned neo-nazi groups often go with, what they must view as the next best thing, namely the confedare battle standard.
hakohen
“Until JFK decided to appear at his inauguration without a hat, that was what everyone wore.”
This is a myth. JFK did in fact appear with a hat at his inauguration. Pictures are readily available online.
However he wore a tophat not a fedora. If we follow your argument though shouldn’t we wear a tophat and coat tails to davening?
The bottom line is hat and jacket is simply a uniform adopted by the yeshiva world. It has zero to do with “dressing up” though that is proably how it started. Most of us would not wear a hat to see the PResdient (unless it was in a rabbinic setting) There are many pictures available of R’ Moshe sherer Zl or today’s askanim visiting various presidents or legislators and rarely (though not never) are they wearing a hat.
for a tie you can make a stronger argument than a hat.
Joseph
I do!
I dont follow dont you agree that “Halevai one day a year we have proper shomer shabbos” and “Halevai one day a year we properly believe in Hashem”?
Of course we SHOULD do all these things every day, but halevai one day
147
I quote “This does not make sense according to rules of English language. “
You did not say this does not make sense according to hilchos Bracha achrona or shiurim on yom kippur. Which to the best of my knoledge do not care much as to what oxford dictionary has to say. But the “English language” certainly does.
147
Grape juice is in fact a “food”
From Oxford dictionary
“any nutritious substance that people or animals eat or drink, or that plants absorb, in order to maintain life and growth”
DY
I dont know about chukas akum. But wihtout question if in a century from now there is a chasidish minhag to celebrate a specidfic day in summer to celebrate fathers, yes It should be obvious that it was copied from goyim.
That said Joseph is silly for the many reasons:
1) “Jews have Father’s Day 354 days a year,” So you agree we should all wish our fathers happy fathwrs day today, you just maintain we should do it tommorow too.
2) Halevai one day a year we have proper kibud av
3) Every day is a time for teshuva, I hope your Rav doesnt discuss teshuva in Elul, every day is time to appreciate Torah, I hope your Rav doesnt discuss these themes on Shavuos. Hodaah on Chanukah, yetzias mitzrayim on PEsach etc etc.
4) These discussions are absolutly silly becasue the bottom line is this: If a father apreciates father’s day then there is no question that there is a mitzva deoraisa to wish him happy father’s day, if he doesnt care there is no reason too. Thus your opinion is only relevant to your children. So spare us.
mik 5, On erev Shabbos I make a habit of sampling from all Shabbos foods at all take out stores on 13th avenue.
Sadly the store owners are not aware of this halacha of yours and throw me out of their stores
With thanks to dik duk dik for most the leg work
I havent heard it in years but here is what I remember
(Yes newbee I know this is a terrible way to talk about Shabbos)
Hello, Bubby.
– Yeah, this is your einikel the big K’nocker speakin’.
….
– Ho ho ho, Bubby. You know what I like!
– A Shabbos tish mit gefilte fish, and a little chrain on the side.
– Some cholent in the pot and a kugel nice and hot, oh! makes me warm inside!
– some hulepthces mit kniedlich drein xich in boich vi dreidlach
in mit tzimes in mit chicken
macht di haltz a bissel triken
ken men trinken ah lchaim
biz d kup is in chomayim
Bubby that’s what I like!
– So, Bubbeh zisesh zug nur, vi macht di zeideh
– No, yeah?
– No, yeah?
– Yeah? No.
– Her hat farloyren zan tzein*
– Oy! ah brach
– Ho ho ho, Bubby. You know what I like!
– A Shabbos tish mit gefilte fish, and a little chrain on the side.
– Some cholent in the pot and a kugel nice and hot, oh! makes me warm inside!
– some hulepthces mit kniedlich drein xich in boich vi dreidlach
in mit tzimes in mit chicken
macht di haltz a bissel triken
ken men trinken ah lchaim
biz d kup is in chomayim
Bubby that’s what I like!
– Tell me Bubby, what time is lecht benchen*
– a qaurter to eight
in kim nisht shpeit
– Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
– OHo ho ho, Bubby. You know what I like!
– A Shabbos tish mit gefilte fish, and a little chrain on the side.
– Some cholent in the pot and a kugel nice and hot, oh! makes me warm inside!
– some hulepthces mit kniedlich drein xich in boich vi dreidlach
in mit tzimes in mit chicken
macht di haltz a bissel triken
ken men trinken ah lchaim
biz d kup is in chomayim
Bubby that’s what I like!
– Oy yo, oh Bubby that’s what I like!
Lol cherrybim thanks for finnaly answering my question and for demonstrating conclusivly exactly as many here suspected.
You have absolutly no clue what you are talking about.
That is not the goal of type 1 at all. Type 1’s are not resistant at all!
Granted they sometimes go on to develop type 2, but you have type 1 completely wrong!
“Does it make a difference if they are Type 1 or 2? Both Types need insulin and medication and diet and exercise to survive.”
Wrong again! For type 1 there is no role whatsoever for medication! they need insulin period. and type 2’s very often do not need insulin (at least initially)
Since you dont know the difference and the “websites” you are getting your false information from don’t seem to know either. Here is a brief crash course:
Type 1 is an autoimune process in which the insulin producing cells of the pancreas are destroyed. The goal of treatment is thus simple: The body cant produce insulin so it needs to be supplied artificially (granted in practice it can get complicated and they can go on to develop type 2 but the premise is simple). There is no role whatsoever for medications. Diet and exercise while always a goood idea dont help supply vital insulin if the body isnt producing it. The diabetic complications you refer to are rare in type 1 since they are usually a result of hyperglycemia which is usually not an issue with type 1.
Type 2 is completyl different! Type 2 is when the body produces insulin but is resistant to it. In these patients diet and excercise can slow the progression. Medications can sensitize the body to insulin. Eventually insulin is often required because the body is so resistent that you need to overwhelm the resistance with more and more insulin. These are the patients who develop the complications you keep referring to.
Most people of marriageable age whop are diabetic have type 1. And even those who have type 2 are rarely beyond help especially if they already know at that young age.
I’m sorry that youve been struggling with this. However if you are compliant with insulin, medications and diet and still “continue to have very high and sometimes very low numbers.” Might I humbly suggest getting a second opinion from a new endocrinologist. You never seemed to have heard of continuous glucose monitors, if you are having highs and lows and funny times thet perhaps you miss when spot checking with a finger stick, a continuous monitor will pick those up and perhaps adjusting the time that you take insulin or the type of insulin you take would help.
B”H your eyes haven’t been affected, you are obviously doing something right. It definitely isn’t easy.
Hatzlacha
Trust,
granted it is easier to understand your way but either way makes sense.
If I say “it cant be night and day too” that means it cant be both at the same time. OF course it can be night and then day afterwards. “You cant have your cake and eat it too” MEans you have to choose one or the other you can a) have your cake (i.e have it in your possesion) or b. eat your cake. You simply cannot do both at the same time it is one or the other.
Interestingly some poeple do say “You cant eat your cake and have it too” but thta is less common and (according to one account)actually helped lead to the arrest of the unabomber.
Wikipedia has an entry on this idiom that includes early versions going back to the 16th century
“I dont think the couple has the halachic or moral right to demand that guests dont take photos of other guests at the wedding”
They probably don’t have the halachic right, but I do think they have a moral right. (see what I did there). And i am almost certain it isnt gezeilah or geneiva
I think it is weird to make a big deal out of this, but hey if they don’t want it just dont do it. period
mazal77
“As a guest, if you are requested not to do certain things, it is only proper etiquette.”
I dont think anybody including newbee is arguing on that point. If asked by baalei simcha not to do something, people just shouldn tdo it, period. Gezel or not.
I think newbee means, that there is no way to avoid it, about which of course he is right, unfortunately our simchas are big and frankly you cant expect 500 people to all be mentchen. Again I’m not saying it isn’t wrong.
However, it isn’t Gezel.
That said