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” called a woman’s right to choose. It simply doesn’t exist.”
That isn’t limited to abortion.
A woman or man, has many “rights” that are halachically limited, what to eat, say, hear wear etc etc
Ober the past decade or so ot has become the fashion in certain circles to limit the definition of Kiddush hashem.
Although Ujm’s definition is certainly correct, it is only partly so
For example: Rambam Gezeila 11:3 Where he says One may not return a lost item of a Goy’s unless returned to make a Kiddush Hashem, so that Goyim praise Jews as honest people (rough translation)
Clearly having goyim viewing Jews as good/honest people is a Kiddush HashemAvira
much better. Thanks
Avira
you contradict yourself
“but not something you are yotzei with anything other than the halacha of ner ish ubayso.”
VS.
“lighting anywhere besides their home and shul”
Shul isnt Bayso.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not in favor of these public displays (certainly not with a beracha r”l). I am in favor of honesty and saying that there is ONLY an idea of lighting at home is demonstrably false (as evidenced in your post)
CS
Your last “proof” proves nothing
“I challenge you to show proof of similar actions prior to 50 years ago”
There were just as many Goyisher symbols prior to 50 years ago. So obviously competing with them can’t be the reason (using your “logic”)/
Whatever explanation you have for why NOW they feel the need to compete can be used to explain why we have not seen The Chofetz Chayim et al doing it
“So… We get to play god and decide who is better off alive, and who is better off dead…”
No we can’t, and nobody here suggested we should. We must evaluate each case independently with a very competent Rav. If there was a way to legislate that abortion is only allowed with the approval of a qualified orthodox Rabbi, that would be my vote (I imagine yours too)
GH
“there is an explicit de minimis waiver in halacha”
Of course there is. Lo nitna Torah L’malachei hashres. an imperceptible change isnt a change
If it was you couldn’t enter a house with air conditioning on Shabbos, your body gives of heat, causing the air conditioner to work harder.none of this is new, this has been discussed with riding in a car or bus on Shabbos
GH
“Obviously, one or even five additional passengers on a wide-body aircraft won’t materially affect fuel consumption”fantastic so you agree
Avira
““religion” as a separate entity from state has no place in a Jewish hashkofa.”That’s true from a halachic standpoint, not legal one.
YOU were the one who quoted an argument that “Goyim say…” If your response to the argument was well halacha argues, that would be that. Needless to say in an argument where goyim say one hting and halacha says another, there is no argument. But you replied to the Goyim’s argument with a logical one “That argument is not only evil, vut very unintelligent ” NOT a haalchic one.
To which I pointed out that your response did not automatically hold true.Note: Nowhere in my comments did I make a halachic argument one way or the other. The discussion is way above my paygrade, the discussion isnt new leading poskim have spoken., and contiue to address it as situations arise.
I just commented on a few errors in logic you made,
Plus of course replied to the OP whose comment was more wishful thinking than factAs for R’ Moshe being the final say in psak, you don’t actually think this is true? There are plenty of cases where “The velt” hasnt accepted R” Moshe timers comes to light. My father saw R’ Bluth Z”l leave early at a wedding, he asked him if he made Sheva Berachos (They new each other from MTJ, R’ Moshe holds should say make Sheva berachos OC 1:56) He said “The olam isnt noheg like that” and he was a close talmid.
“The velt has accepted Rav Moshe’s Psak on abortion.”
If by velt you mean you personally, then you MIGHT be correct (I doubt you’re even correct on that see insult thread).
If you mean the Frum society, then you are completely incorrect.Granted I cant convince you, since you havent encountered anyone in such a situation but here is some food for thought:
Pick up ANY medical halacha sefer, they all go on a long arichus on the subject. Obviously every individual case needs to be judged individually. (always true but especially here). If you really think in practice “the velt” follows R’ Moshe why does every modern sefer eg R” Zilbershtein, R’ Asher Weiss all still discuss it? These are practical halachik teshuvos, not stam l’hagdil Torah. R’ Moshe was nifter over 30 years ago. If you are right Any modern shaeila on abortion should be: ” Already paskened see Ig”m”Uavira
Ignore A in my pending post, you meant chazaka d’hashta (not mikira) meaning NOW it’s alive so we assume over the past 9 months irs alive.
I’m not sure that would work as a generalization meaning “all fetuses are alive” because babies are (which is what you are arguing), particularly as at SOMe point it isn’t alive 40 days? And we are trying to figure out WHEN that changes.but even if it did work , it’s a religous argument, as explained in B in pending post
Avira
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There’s a reason why almost everyone was machnia to him (R Moshe)Not on this issue
Ujm
But the Supreme Court declaring a constitutional right to life is very very conceivab”
Supreme Court is less likely. Could you 8mafine the right wing outrage if they tried to legislate from the bench (kidding of course). Overthrowing roe would be monumental enough a complete 180 is hard to imagine
“It’s not “what is this inside me” everyone knows that there’s a baby developing”
Yes a baby is developing. Not developed, developing. At what point is this developing baby considered a life.
Halachicly it is clearly a intermediate stage,, it is a “davar shell bo l-olam” you can’t acquire things for it. If it is threatening life it can be killed, yet once born something changes now they are threatening each other.And you use the term chazaka dimikira. A. That is not how chazaka works chazaka doesn’t tell you things retroactively ot has the chazaka NOW and more importantly b. I’m not Asking you for a halachic reason, I’m familiar with the poskim, including what is followed in practice. My question is from a societal standpoint which is what your argument was addressing. You said if unsure if its a life,, then abortion should be illegal just like killing a person who might be asleep or dedicated is illegal. This is not a halachic argument. As you opened that section ” Goyim often use the line of “it’s not a baby, it looks like a fish”, and they say that the burden of proof of what’s considered alive falls on us who wish to forbid.” Responding to them with a chazaka dmikira (even if used correctly) doesn’t help
UJM
“Ubiq: Abortion should be illegalized at the federal level. ”
Mazel tov, it won’t happen though . you can wish for whatever you like of course .
Even if Congress tried to pass such a law, it is a tough argument that the federal government has a right to make it illegal given the 10th amendment as akuperma pointed out.Avira
“It’s like if someone tells you that there’s a sleeping person aside 10 dead bodies, ”no its not like that, its like you telling me I cant , I don’t know take methotrexate because I have a living person inside me. What ? prove it thats bizzare a living person inside me I never heard of such a thing how did it get there? You woudl have to prove somehting so outlandish to try to control what I do (Om a male btw)
You have a chidush that this “clump of cells” (at least at some point in its development) that is totally dependent on its mother for survivial is morally a life. That is a chidush. Prove it.(to be clear I’m not actually asking you to prove it, I’m pointing out that your simplistic approach doesn’t hold up to mild scrutiny)
“I don’t see how social considerations factor in to a discussion of murder”
Abortion is clearly not black and white murder. Halacha has a very complicated and nuanced approach some poskim take viability into account, some consider the mother’s mental health, some are meikil before 40 days, soem differntiate between Jew and goy. None of these are relevant in murder (As you sort of point out) Yet many factor them in with abortion. So you come up with some halahcic gedr its sort of murder, its not murder at all but we have no right on our bodies generally speaking. Whatever halachic justification you make, ok so make a similar “moral” or secular one.Health
“It will happen in Red states, because the poor people who Rely on Medicaid to finance their abortions won’t get them!”As it is Medicaid funds rarely cover abortions, and don’t worry I’m sure planned parenthood would be happy to make up the difference.
ujm
thats when I’m dan you lkaf zchus
Halevai
maskim, pretty insulting“and we’ll have less babies murdered.”
Its doubtful that will happen.
IT will just make it harder for people who need/want abortions to get them, *That may be a good thing, but unlikely that there will be less abortions .
“blue” states will all allow abortions, All that will happen is those in “Red states” will go to blue states to get them or get illegal ones.
“but when it’s time for the election/campaign promotion they suddenly remember that they’re Jewish.”
what election? What campaign? Is there an election coming up?
2scents
“This would be “marbe B’shiurim””
what is the melacha that he is being marbe? bishul on the fuel? The Thrust is the same, just needs (negligibly) more fuel to achieve it
Agree on deplaning
Techum?
– No techum in the air, though if takes off on shabbos is a problem on the runway. Even if argue that are 10 tefachuim off the ground, if plane sitting on ground may be a problemCausing the plane to burn more fuel?
– not sure what melacha that would be? Mavir is it mavir if more fuel gets consumed to do the same “work”? (obviously the plane is doing more work from a scientific standpoint, but I don’t think halacha recognizes that.
for example if I have two cars one gets 30 mpg the other gets 20 mpg is it a bigger melacha to use the less fuel efficient car to drive the same distance? seems doubtful. And of course the amount is negligible
At any rate this has long been discussed regarding cars and busses and Poskim say it is not an issue, comes up with choleh going to hospital or accompanying a child (although are other issues with getting in car/bus on Shabbos)hotzaah,
– don’t carry outdoors, on the plane is not an issue a plane is not a reshus harabim nor a karmelis nor are you going between reshus hayahcidsMuktze
– Put stuff in a bag that is bassis for heter and issur.not sayign it is 100% muttar, it definitely isnt shabbosdig, but the issurim are not as great as made out.
It seems to be imore of an inconvenience (understatement) than issurheard from Papa, if you make a staute to commemorate the worlds tallest person, who stood almost 9 feet tall. You don’t say, “well 6 feet is regular height so lets makea 3 foot tall statue”
heard from Maccabees II it was a delayed celebration of Sukkos. This also explains Beis Shamai’s shita that we count down like “parei hachag” what does Sukkos have to do with anything?
heard this from Bnei Yissoschar too.TVP
“Firstly, in no way shape or form did he violate any civil rights.”
I never said they would win the lawsuit against him. sorry if that wasnt clear” I’m pretty sure that burning down buildings isn’t a “right”. ”
no but living is.” And the jury already determined that he was not the instigator.”
This would be a new jury, obviously. And while I would yield to a lawyer of course, I’m pretty sure that under a new trial (as there would be should the families sue) they don’t pick up where the old trial LEft off. “Ok so we concluded Kyle was not the instigator, now should he be civility liable…”
another jury might find that he WAS the instigator (to be clear I’m nto saying he was of that they would) and IS civilly liable
furthermore you are reading more into the verdict than there is. all they said is “not guilty” thats it that doesn’t mean thye accepted all or even any of the defense’s claims. Presumably they did, but the verdict doesn’t somehow encompass that. Not aonly that it doesnt even mean he isnt nt guilty of say first degree intentional homicide, it means he isnt guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt. For vcivil case you dont need “beyond a reasonable doubt” .So even if a second jury found him guilty (not saying they would) the juries would NOT be arguing He could be guilty based on the “preponderance of the evidence” which is “not huilty” when it comes to criminal charges but guilty when it comes to civil.
Fiannly although “negligence” did come up a bit in the trial, as it was a criminal trial the bulk of the case was whther he acted intentially or even recklessly. Even if he was neither of thsoe , he could still have been negligent wh mkes him ily liable
So to sum up. I am not saying he will be sued nor that if sued he would lsoe.
I am saying he could and might be sued.
” what are/can his victims suing him for??”
For violating their civil rights.
Before you say, he had too , hislife was in danger, Yes that is what his lawyers will argue, and probably win. That doesn’t mean he can’t be sued
“Since all the Libs that post here have a different view of Justice – Namely Rittenhouse is Guilty beyond a doubt”
Is that true? that all the libs here posted that?
” but tell us all the reasons, just like OJ.”
OJ told you the reasons, the perp in Waukesha is not guilty? what were the reasons OJ gave?
“Was justice served because the jury found him innocent or because the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence?”
I like this question. I think its hard to answer in general
In this case its easy because it is both. Other cases are harder take the OJ case, we all know OJ did it (he has since basically admitted it) Though even then we have a rule of law, and it is harmful if elected officials undermine it (though carefully expressing confusion/disappointment at a jurt’s verdict would be fine I think)
There is a third possibility though Wikipedia translates justice more broadly as “people receive that which they deserve” Of t his I’m not sure. I don’t think Kyle is complelty innocent, I think he went looking for trouble (I grant I can’t prove this its just the vibe I get, though worth noting even if I could prove it say he told a friend “I’m going to Kenosha to show them whose boss” or something like that it still likely wouldn’t, and probably shouldn’t affect the actual verdict.) However If he isnt completely innocent it is “unjust” (in this broad sense) that he walks away scot free
But using the two defitnions of “justice” you provided “justice served because the jury found him innocent ” or “the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence” in both cases justice was served
The daf * reminded me of this thread
DY
Thanks for the mareh makom last year. I saw it and appreciated then I thought I replied(* and date Nov 22 which is the date mentioned in the Beis Yosef as the start day (not date as the start was the previous night) of Vesein tal umatar, however this date is not today obviously, as we do not start vesein tal umatar today)
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haNever mind It was on page 2
I feel sillyI guess Ive done sillier things than thank twice
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NoUJM
good addition, more of a “need” than most seforim here.
I dont really get this thread.
Everybody “needs” to own a pnei Yehoshua?IF this thread was seforim that its nice for a ben torah to have sure definitely pnei Yehoshua, Tzlach. Though even then I don’t think its a “need” and certainly not for “every frum house”
These issues don’t make so much sense
Kovetz meforshim? On which mesechta? All of them?
Rashba?
Ritva?
Tzlach?
Pnei yehoshua?
Not to mention Tanya and lkutei sichos?For EVERY home?
No wayMuch more important than any of the above is shemiras shabbos kihilchoso (English or Hebrew depending on proficiency)
Some modern likutim on practical halacha as another poster mentionedVery well put Avira.
The only thing , I have to add is it reminds me of George Zimmerman, there’s a bit of a hole in the system. You have loser waanabe-cops who get involved in a confrontation, naturally they can’t actually fight, so when they are losing, they can fall back on their gun and (legitimately) claim self defense .
He is no hero.
Though I doubt he’s walking away rich he will be sued by the victims and will be swamped with legal fees for some time“It is pretty clear at this point that the natural immunity (without a vaccine for those who had Covid) are indeed doing something, ”
no question.
I never said or implied otherwise.I’m not sure why you keep mentioning this. Did the OP have prior covid? IT doesnt say that in the post, unless I missed it.
Glad your feeling well enough to work from home
I had meant to wish you refuah sheleima in my initial response.
I’m orry I ignored that and only commented on the more technical parts of your OP“I tested positive for COVID a few days ago and was vaccinated. My symptoms are worse than my wife who was not.”
your comparison is not the correct one
Everyone is different. I had Covid in MArch h2020, I had a mild cough (only tested myself on a whim becasue I had access to a test) I had friends who had it and were much sicker. I saw people die. Comparing one person to another doesn’t tell us anything. You need to look at populations.The relevant question is what were YOUR symptoms compared to what your symptoms would have been if you weren’t vaccinated. Now obviously there is no way to know this with certainty. but at this point there is pretty good data that shows that the vaccinated as a group are not as sick a unvaccinated. The CDC has a long list of studies showing this.
“All my children now have natural immunity, so why would I subject them to vaccinations that don’t seem to do anything?”
So don’t
b. It is pretty clear at thsi point that the vaccines are indeed doing something, the vaccinated, AS A GROUP, have less infections, less symptoms, less hospitalizations and less death.“what is the point of the vaccines?”
Reduce infections symptoms, hospitalization and deathujm
“Reb Eliezer, do the bochorim in Chasan Sofer today still daven Nusach Ashkenaz? 90% of the student body today is Chasidish.”Nobody* in Chasan Sofer davens Nusach Ashkenaz this was true at least for the past 30 years. So much so, that I though the vast majority of Jews all davened nusach sefard, since that is all I saw growing up. I knew of a few shuls that davened Ashkenaz but these were by far the exception in BP, and nobody I knew in Chasan Sofer davened in them.
(* Obviously when I say nobody I’m generalizing Its possible there is one kid in some grade but the vast vast majority davened Nusach sefard, and I imagine it has only increased since then)
Ujm
A quarter for sure.
Dime possibly.Though my point is not what I would pick up, my point is (almost?) Nobody would pick up a penny, it’s so useless
“I think even a nickel isn’t worth it”
Agreed, though this thread isn’t about the worthlessness of nickels, it is about pennies.
Though while I probably wouldn’t be bothered to pick up a nickel, I’m sure many would. A peneey wouldn’t be picked up by anybody (other than coin collecting purposes)Will everything be rounded off to the nearest dollar now?
No it will be rounded to the nearest multiple of 0.05 (5 cents), which often happens anyways
“Will anyone miss the penny?”
Other than coin enthusiasts no. Pennies are so worthless, that most people don’t even bother to pick one up off the ground, that minimal effort is not wort h a cent to most people.
Its a way to deflect from our shortcomings.
Instead of acknowledging: “wait walking in the street at night without reflectors is not a great idea” we can say forget “walking in the street, look at this anti-semite who is threatening to run us over!” So it gets sent out by people looking to deflect. Then once its sent out all the websites have to report it because now it is news.
“Ubiq… You don’t see an issue combining the name of the avodah zara holiday of kratzmich with chanuka?
”I do.
I was just parroting UJM, but You’re right I shouldn’t take cues from himThis year will be closer to Thanksgivingka presents this year than Chanukamas.
I’m not as well versed in fake halacha as you are; are Thanksgivingka presents also a a problem?
AFAFUJM
“ubiq: Your letzanus is duly noted.”
same!
I’m glad we get each other.
Looking forward to your chanukah present thread.“Which is better,”
I don’t think there’s an objective “better” or “worse”. Music is subjective it depends on individual taste, I generally like songs of the first type better. I’m sure others like the second type better
UJM
As terrible as the avla you cite is, It starts much more insidiously.
There are nashim on this forum who think their opinions matter. Worse- many of them dare disagree with men, and in a public forum no less. It is a terrible terrible chilul Hashem and Zuilzul Kvod shomayim and Kovod habriyos, both their own Kavod (Kol kvuda bas melech pnima) and that of the man whose opinion is questioned.
In the rare case that an isha has finished cleaning the home tending to the children , and IF her baal gives her permission to log on to yeshiva world, all she should do is drink in the words of wisdom left here. If she must comment, again with her baal’s permission, a simple “Yes wise master thank you for sharing your words of wisdom” is all that should be tolerated
“I think that this time he knows he’s wrong!”
Lol, no just the opposite This one is super black and white
But boring .
Fake supreme court cases, thats exciting stuff. but getting the age wrong when lipid screening is recommended, especially if now you have it right. meh boring
Though UJM, question for you “and enjoy the show.”
I assume you are kidding, nobody can possibly enjoy this (besides me and him obviously)
Health
“I wrote this – “The USPSTF recommends that adults w/o a history of CVD use a Statin drug for prevention with all of the following:””Correct. You wrote that and it is true It is waht I said last time you brought this up, and it was true then too..
However On THAT thread you wrote
“Most authorities recommend doing lipid testing starting at 20 y/o. If within normal range, most hold to repeat testing every 5 years.” This is Universal Testing!”see it?
(* and no you didn’t mean age 20 + risk factors, since thats what I said to which you replied “I can’t teach you current medicine!”)
If You don’t see it, thats ok I guess you won’t .
I don’t want to detract more than I already have from your thread.“There’s No contradiction!”
Agreed. not a contradiction per se, there you misstated guidelines, you have since taken the time to correct yourself. That’s great!Health dearest!
“So every adult 40 – 75 y.o. needs universal lipid screening”
A few years ago you said recommendation was age 20
“Most authorities recommend doing lipid testing starting at 20 y/o.”I pointed out that this was only in the presence of risk factors
To which you replied
“I can’t teach you current medicine!”Interestingly now you’ve raised your age for universal screening to “So every adult 40 – 75 y.o. needs universal lipid screening”
I’m glad you caught up on current guidelines
from this fun thread
“Did you ever hear of a person vaccinated against polio who became sick with polio because someone else didn’t get the polio vaccine?”
Bad example. you see Polio vaccine existed before WhatsApp and Facebook. So Antivaxxers, did not have accessto their sources of “research”
If your example was measles then yes I havePArticipant
I’m not sure.
The vaccine has been available for a while now. Anyone who was planning ot get it would have gotten it. Unfortunately it i is still not enough. After a bunch of early enthusiasm, people fighting for vaccines, cutting in line, People accused of redirecting vaccines, it leveled off in the usmmer to an extent.
The way to push it further is with mandates. Are there people willing to lose their job to avoid it? Sure and that is their prerogative. But while icky, the mandates are more likely to push those on the fence to get it than push them not to. The vocal ones are largely people who would not have gotten it without a vaccineIts the sign of being a frum Jews w anyone who doesn’t say it at least 326 times daily (Gematria of frum) isn’t really frum.
and of course being offended by the phrase baruch Hashem. That is the mark of a big big tazadik
“How is there systemic racism?”
As a result of decades, and decades of institutionalized racism, there are many disparities that persist today. Look up the history of redlining that directly contributed to the housing disparity that exists today (This is but one classic example)
“Do people not vote for black politicians?”
IS this a real question? OF course people don’t. I assume there’s a typo here. Though this isnt example of systemic racism, since this is due to individual racists not a system
“Can blacks not get into college and universities due to their skin color?”
Not skin color per se, but yes they have a harder time getting into colleges due to decades of systemic discrimination that prevented their parents from going to college, prevented their parents from getting higher paying jobs to afford college
“Are they denied jobs due to their skin color?”
Yes. OF course. Though again this is probably not systemic rather due to individual racist employers.Your questions indicate you don’t understand what systemic racism is.
Hopefully your kids will get a good CRT course intheir school, and you can learn about it with them
“If you answer yes to any of these questions above then you are living in an alternative universe.”
Halevai! one day. For now I’m in the same universe as you
“when are we going to wake up and realize that we need to be more cautious who we let into our communities.”
Hopefully not.
The story doesn’t pass the smell test. Served as a mohel? He wrote A Sefer Torah cmon That is not an easy task. And to what end ? So he can slip in talk about Yoshka int ocausal conversation, and the listeneer would say “Hey this guy is a mohel and sofer if he believes in Yoshko I guess I should”
A commenter there wrote: “As a resident of Phoenix for almost 10 years, I can confirm this story to be a bunch of hype and lies !!
This guy had no connection to the frum community in Phoenix. He lived in a far out corner of the city where no frum families reside.
The “rabbi” that gave him semicha is a man that is a Notorious scamster in the community. Everyone knows to stay far away. He has 4 followers in his garage on a good week.
As usual, don’t believe everything you read. No frum people where impacted by these idiots!”Obviously I don’t know if the commenter is telling the truth but it is far more likely than the reported story .
“Furthermore, you have ignored my comment regarding black racism towards Jews.”
did you read my post?
I DIRECTLY addressed that
Here it is again
“” how about we make classes to teach about black racism towards Jews. ”
Yes! I’m all for it!”You ask why aren’t they taught not to hate!
They should be. All should be!We need MORE CRT not less!
Especially since you don’t understand what systemic racism is as evidenced by your comment “There is no systemic racism whatsoever. That’s a lie. There was a black president…, ”