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DY
Im sorry I didn’t recall that. I just assumed you agreed with articles you cited. Please accept my apologies.
As for Gedolim, one of the signers told me “of course it is nonsense and only simplistic people would think otherwise” He went on to explain that if signing it would help some of those “simplistic” (his word) people who buy into the “age gap” get over their hangup about age then what is the harm
(He completly disagreed with my concern of pushing immature boys to get married).
MY point being that just because they sign it doesnt mean they buy it.
After all why would they, unless you think they are “simplistic”
DY
Feel free to change your mind, when you relaize your position is untenable but please dont accuse me of doing somehting wrong.
Here is the EXACT introductory quote from the article YOU cited “It is the best of times and the worst of times in the world of shidduch dating. Anecdotal evidence suggests that most single men in the various circles of Orthodox Jewry today have long lists of potential shidduchim and continuous dating opportunities. At the same time, many single women struggle with short lists and relatively infrequent dating. This imbalance represents a looming tragedy within the community as ever-increasing numbers of women are marrying later in life or not getting married at all. But what’s behind it?”
This was his indtroductory comment to a peice on the “shidduch crises” This is how he identified the crises. I do not recall you ever disagreeing with the very identification of the crises in the article YOU yourself cited in support of your position. (at least not until much later,)
It may not be how you defne the crises (at least not anymore), but it clearly is how Halpert defines it.
DY
Early in the last discussion on the subject you guoted a lengthy article by an Ariel Halpert, he defined the crises as “At the same time, many single women struggle with short lists and relatively infrequent dating.” At the time you agreed (or pretended too).
You can now call this angle a “narrow definition” That does not make it less true, and there is absolutely no way to solve the next step (marriage) while skipping the first (dating.
No chidushim here, we discussed this at length last time.
Just because Roshei Yeshiva support it doent mean they agree with it. Ones supporting Rosh yeshiva told me “of course it is nonsense and only simplistic people would think otherwise” He went on to say that NAsi would only help obviously people shouldne be caught up on age (or any of seeral other silly hangus) If this will reomve an obstacle form some girls getting dates then great! The quoted part is an exact quote rest is paraphrasing)
DY
The problem is the book wont sell, since once NASI admitted in the yated’s pages that the entire “theory” is based on not much more than hunches and guesswork, pretty much everybody I know that once was into the theory started having doubts.
Then when it is pointed out that “If you were to define the problem as girls seldom being “redt” shidduchim, this might help. That’s a very narrow definition of the problem, though.” (Which btw is how you defined it during our last discussion on this topic) and without dates girls cant get married, the rest, everybody I know gives up on the “theory”
Thus writing a book for the few diehards who adhere to this “theory” blindly against all logic to the contrary, is a fruitless endeavor
Curiosty
you are kinda missing the point (though to be fair we both got sidetracked). None of them said “Im sorry I dont drink from fountains” That is my point
There the problem was suspicion of having done A”Z by those who knelt. (Or even prostrated themselves according to some miforshim) According to ALL miforshim drinking from a public fountain is ok. Even arguablly with kneeling/prostrating if it isnt a sign of AZ. At a public fountain when the person leans over slightly is your reaction, hmmm I bet he is used to leaning over his head in prayer to A”Z? Assuming that isnt your reaction, then there is no issue with drinking from a water fountain
Curiosity it is in pasuk 5
curiosity im not arguing on the meforshim. Based on what you are saying though the meforshim are arguing on the pesukim.
But ok, lets ignore the pesukim which specificly mention lying down to drink (R”chl). Please explain to me practicly how you (mis)understood the incident:
The people approach a body of water, their hands are about 3 feet or so away from the water, their face 5 feet or so, how exactly did those accepted get the water up to their face , what is the correct next step? (Hint it is not “I’m sorry gidon I cant drink because “it’s not lechatchila for a ben Torah to bend over and drink from a fountain”)
(Just to be clear according to the pesukim, which obviously the meforshim dont argue on) they lay down and “lapped like dogs this is beferesh in the pasuk and I have not seen anyone argue besides you)
Jf2
language is dynamic. deal with it. I’ll bet it is in dictionary of yeshivish. How do you say ignorance in (rabbinic) Hebrew?
Curiosity,
It is beautiful that you are learning mefarshim, however start with pesukim. Pasuk 5 identifies 2 ways to drink from a bush of water: lapping it “like a dog” and kneeling down to bring it to your face. There is no standing method, nor is it possible (unless the persons hands are really short). The passuk 7 and 8 tell us that the lapping method is preffered. On this the meforshim you quote explain because kneeling is a sign of avoda Zara, and lying down and lapping “like a dog” is preffered.
There is no standing method offered nor is it possible without either bending hands or face to water
My only point in bringing up this incident is to point out that no one suggested to avoid drinking from a public fountain
Curiosity, your first point is debatable. HoweverPride in not learning nach because “you didn’t go to seminary” does make you an am haaretz, if you don’t know at the very least look it up. Which you have done, congrats.
Sadly though you got it wrong. Those accepted by gidon were thus who fell on the floor. Kneeling was unacceptable. And if your rebbe said not to kneel to drink you’d he right
At any rate none of them said “sorry gidon we can’t drink this is a public fountain”
Jf2 it is a great word used to mean ignorance. I agree about the spelling
Curiosity
Not having gone to seminary is not an excuse for am harotzes. If you are not sure what is in shoftim perek 7, look it up.
wastingtime Are you serious?
If so, wow just wow.
Yes.
curiosity, you need a new Rebbi. Show him shoftim perek 7.
Did you have to pay this fellow?
apushatayid
why would that change anything?
The halacha is eid echad neeman biisurim. You seem trustworthy, if you tell me that food is kosher then I can eat it. (of course if you dont know what you are talking about, or have no neemanus,that is a different story).
DY
Exactly my point!
Of course if you do not know, (as is the case with most people and most products) then a hechsher is useful.
RD,
“No reason why a bread made from tapioca or coconut flour couldn’t be marketed to the public for Pesah.”
so who is stopping you? If you beleive that to be the case, go for it!
apushatayid, I have news for you. Your kosher supervision has been in business for a while and everybody who has ever eaten in your home has relied on it.
Also please note, you dont need to be a Rabbi. The din is not “Rav echad neeman bissurim”
Also keep in mind. If food is kosher there is no need for a formal hechsher, and if not all hechsherim in the world won’t help.
This converstion is absurd.
The OP proves that locking makes sense. Here we have a well intentioned individual who would never go into someones’s bedroom without permission and all the more so when explicitly told not to, and yet accidently he almost did.
SG you should be thankful they locked the door presumably otherwise youd have gone in (albeit by accident)
This of course would’ve led to some other fellow posting here how he leant his apt and explicitly gave instructions not to go in and yet the person did.
Oh I can here the replies:
“how do you know, you should be dan lekaf zechus…”
“Maybe he was looking for the guest room and got lost”
“Oh that’s whay I don’t lend out my apt…”
and of course:
“You should have locked the door”
R’ Nota Greenblat is behind the K on tabasco sauce
wow oops sorry i missed that.
I stand by my answer though
BY Nedarim we look out how people speak. When someone says “I would email it to her as soon as I arrived in the office” There is no confusion in anybody’s mind that he means “if he had not already by then” That is understood and assumed by all.
“Am I the only one really bothered by this?”
Most probably. Im sure if you look hard enough you may find someone who is a little bothered, but really bothered, I highly doubt it
JMH
Fantastic! nailed it +10000000000
haifa girl
well done you too made me laugh
frumguy
If every single day I had a minimum of 3 standing appointments during which I recited the same exact predetermined text in front of the king/judge, then yes after a while (5 years? 10? 20?) I would start mumbling ina way that didnt SOUND like I was having kavana
note: I am not saying this is right just answering your question:
“Would they use this tactic standing in front of a human king or judge (lehavdil)?”
without a doubt yes!
OOM Youve got it wrong
Shopping was upset before selicos’s comment. She started several posts on the same topic that were ignored. One was closed as soon as opened since was same as two others she started
After another post was ignored she bumped in and wrote “i still agree and why does everyone ignore my posts?” THEN selichos wrote his comment which was reasonable and fair other than the fact that he presented it as coming from everybody.
He should have written:
“I feel that I must address you. I see your incessant posts and I feel you hang out in the CR too much. That’s why the topics are boring to you because the CR is meant to briefly check into every couple days or so, just to see whats happening. You, on the other hand practically live here.
So please, find something to do and don’t check the CR every 5 minutes, and please don’t post unless you have something original, humorous, and appropriately mature, that other people would appreciate reading.
All the best to you. On behalf of Selichos”
This is a reasonable respnse to her question as to why the same post she posted several times was being ignored.
This childish blackamil won’t make you more popular.
when/if you come back do it because you want to not to do us any favors
Nechoma assuming a lateish 11:00 bedtime the fast is >22 hours
I’m with PBA
RD
Thank you
OOmis
For how long should I wait? I am definately not holding my breath
Wandering chana
LOL! He will get less jail time than Pollard and there will be no outcry. (other than from Young Israel etc)
OOmis have you heard anyone make this conection?
Snowden has been allover the media Every angle seems to have been reported including is past girlfirends his upbringing etc…
I not once have heard any mentio of Pollard. Have you?
I dont get why people are trying to link the two? The two are in no way connected they involve different circumstances and an almost 30 year difference.
Rd the source you cite days the opposite of what you allege. That says Hr spied on China not for.
Pollard spied in the 80’s Almost 30 years ago. There is no connection between the two.
Rebdoniel, you are the first I have heard allege that Pollard gave anything to China.
Akuperma,
Which is it First you say: “All academic institutions, in all cultures “frown” on students dropping out and “working” …You’ve abandonned the honorable and worthy life of scholarship for something as mundane as making money.”
Then you say “What’s different is that they are in cultures in which making money is the highest goal, and we are in a culture in which scholarship is the most respected activity.”
your idea is wrong but at least be consistent
tzaddiq the 7 aren’t taynis at all. All have been replied to but here goes for convenience sake:
1) This point is irrelevant since this discussion isnt really about what needs to be done for school but rather what is best for your children and society.
That being said according to the Law cited by Mameleh the exceptions are for medical concerns certified by physician. And “genuine and sincere religious beliefs ” held by the parents, none of these seem to apply to you or chance. Any religious views you think you have opposing vaccines have no connection to Judaism and should be corrected. (If you have some foreign religious views that is another story).
2) The vaccine isnt perfect. Nothing in life is.
3) It has been studied ad nauseum. Do a pub med search. I checked the inserts nobody has died during vaccine trials.
4) It isnt sad, people who dont vaccinate are callous about their children and others against ALL medical advice. It is frustrating when many children get sick from an entirely preventable illness.
5) It affects other children too and can cause a problem in pregnancies. Some disease such as Polio saying you dont care if your child gets the disease makes you either ignorant or callous about your own children. This is what leads to attitudes such as frumnotyeshivish’s and if you say you dont care if your kid gets polio, then I agree with him and your children should be taken away from you.
6) We beleive God gave us the abbiltiy to discover vaccines. Your “argument” is an argument against all of medicine (Clearly allowed by the Torah) and for that matter cooking or baking the wonderful raw food Hashem has provided, or pretty much doing anything.
7)”vaccines kill, maim, and destroys the immune system. ” Wrong vaccines strengthen the immune system. and that is not written on the vaccine insert. You say listen blindly, but we have studies on our side. You have Jenny Mcarthy.
Hope this helps
ZD
It was in yated a few months ago in respnse to a chinuch roundtable discussion.
yekke2
Ok granted
Halevai, not explaining all the jokes, just the ones that went over peoples heads
Note even the real aveirahs are “done” in an absurd manner. “I eat Gid Hanashe in every bite” Where would you get gid hanashe from, and imagine the guy who makes sure every bite contains some. It is absurd and thus funny.
I dont think there was any real plausible aveirah in the song
Got it i misread thank you
writer soul
You say “Most people I know of were livid about that map- like my dad was annoyed because now burglars know to just make their way to our hose.”
I’m confused do you mean burglars know to AVOID your house, since your dad has a gun? In which case isnt publicizing it a good thing?
Jewishfeminist02
Very well said.
Tzadiq,
you live in LaLa land IVe encountered several pediatricians in my travels all have warned me of what to expect with vaccinations.
Im curious what bad reactons you think are listed in the vaccine inserts. Speak to Doctors most are quite forthcoming if not find one who is.
chance, “Died during the trial” Lol! though I think youv’e outed yourself as a troll.
Chance,
I am not following your “logic” So if you contact an infection that Hashem created you wouldn’t take antibiotics that you believe man created?
Chance
“don’t you believe that our body is created perfectly?”
Your “argument” is an argument against ever going to a doctor or getting medical treatment.
And besides dont you believe that God created vaccines
Jewsih feminist,
What is the issue if he is ok with people knowing who he is?
simcha613
We are in agreement
I was replying to the OP
I have never heard of a politician who doesn’t voiolate Torah values. Check the Torah, opposition to toeiva is not the only value in it
Questions question questions.
When youre done, do some more questions
When youre done that, do some more
Do them timed and of course review the answers
I used Kaplan and was very happy
Stay away from SDN more misinformation than real information
Good Luck
Az
Youre hillarious
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However I always viewed the other point as the more major one., I dont see how you can find contradiction there. In fact I’ll go one further the question about dating divide (which Ive called “more fundamental”) Is NOT a giant gaping hole in your “theory,” Nor does it throw a wrench nor poke a hole in it. It (if unsuccessfully answered) takes a wrecking ball to the whole edifice, since while the “age gap” MAY explain unmarried people. It DOES NOT at all explain the Dating divide. (Have I really not said this?)But its ok I had to beg and plead with you to get n answer that was more of a guess to my more minor kasha, which frankly wasnt super satisfying (though acceptable)
Please dont lecture about intellectual dishonesty when it took you 6 pages of posts to finally address one of my points and you are still afraid to address another one.
DY, Gd bless him, has been here from the start patiently addressing each point while he may be wrong, his attempts have been gallant. You, AZ waltzed in asserting this age gap business and repeatedly refused to answer questions posed making those who agree with you look dishonest by association. Shame on you
Hatzlacha Rabba in your thougts, May the Ribono Shel Olam hinder you in your avodaas haraah
DY
answered or “answered” ? It has been addressed though I dont recall an answer?
Simbin I am not sure if you are serious but Is the moon a physical object?