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UJM
So you approve of the Millitary Chazzanim being prevented from recitil El moleh* ?
If it is meaningless (a strange assertion since IF people find meaning in it then it isn’t meaningless) surley the less people that partake, especially reciting shem Hashem the better?(I have no idea if the story is true)
The luchos represents the Torah which was given on shavuos
Or was it….
(I thought this was going to be your your question) when where mikadeish al pi riyah shavuos could have been on 5, 6 or 7 Sivan. Theres’ machlokes if Matan Torah was on 6 or 7 Sivan.So According to all 2/3 of the time Shavuos was not on the day of Matan Torah, possibly even occruin 2 days before .
“I presume if you ate 2-3 meals yesterday, but now you are hungry – I hope you are not going to do the same mistake again -I know many people who ate and died within several days! And you need to pay for that expensive food!”
Great point!
It is all a conspiracy by Big fooda to get rich.
And would you believe it? the Government says I have to feed my child even though I sadly know of people who died as a result of eating True Aspiration and choking are rare, but why take the chance. Time to get the Government out of our kitchensuser176
“If the dough is just flour and water it should be hamotzi even for one bite.”
If it baked that way you are correct. It seems some frozen pizza is like that they bake flat disks then add sauce/cheese These would be Hamozi.
Fresh pizza is generally not made this way, rather they take dough cover it with sauce and cheese (sometimes other toppings) and bake it that way. It is not, and never was bread. Thus is not ALWAYS hamozzi, rather it depends on how it is being eaten.” I’ve never seen anyone eat pizza as a snack.”
So when a man eats one slice what is he doing? you said “Average man eats two slices”
Also keep inmmind ” I’ve never seen…” isnt really a raayah . TS baum hasnt seen it either. Yet I, Gefiltefish, Avram, Rabbi Belsky Z’L, whoever wrote the OU article on the topic, whoever wrote the Kaf K article, the Star K, the pizza shops polled by those agencies have all seen it
“Ever”?
ObviouslyI know a few that even got married
Is it common? Probably not
Yes
TS Baum
Nobody I know eats one slice as a meal.
If I have a late dinner planned (example before wedding. and I’m hungery I’ll warm up a slice of Pizza, to “hold me over’
This is not uncommon.both The Star K nd OU write on their website they polled Pizza stores Quote above “ur Kashrus Kurrents pizza poll of current consumer eating habits indicates that the average person consumes one slice of an 18″ pizza (alone, without any sides) as a snack and three slices of an 18″ pizza (alone, without any sides) as a meal. Two slices of an 18″ pizza (alone, without any sides) was questionable. Most pizza shops were in agreement that the average consumer orders 2 slices of pizza with a side dish for dinner.””
Now I understand YOU don’t do this. But that in no way changes the reality
you say “But I will try to be dan l’kaf zechus that you really, sincerely consider pizza a snack, so you believe that you can make a mezonos.”
no it isnt “me” It is EVERYBODY Ive spoken too including poskim, it is EVERY kashrus website. It seems a stretch to say they re all in on this big conspiracy to avoid washing .
Isn’t it more likely that they are telling the truth, and you just don’t do this?
CS
” we don’t pasken out own shalos by reading a halacha book or asking a bunch of random people online nor do we do our own root canal by reading a dental textbook.”
not every shayla is a root canal.
CS
“that is called draying ah kup not asking a shalah on a halacha lmasah”
Nu, so what’s the problem? you want him to dray his Rav ah kup? thats not nice.
some people dray ah kup about politics, some about Daylight savings time, and some like disucssing halacha. Fargin. IF it doesn’t interest you feel free to skip this
TS Baum
Your whole comment was a bit childish, and doesn’t make a lot of sense .
nonetheless lets explain“do you see your phone number when you step on a scale?”
That would be an uncanny coincidence“How can you consider it a snack?”
Because one slice of pizza is not very filling” If you do, then you mean to say a meal of pizza is 4 or 5 slices?”
This question was strange. I told you what most people considered a meal “and that Two slices with a side dish (eg French fries) would be a meal.” How did you get from there to “4 or 5 slices”?“I guess you send your kids with a few slices of pizza JUST FOR SNACK???”
What? Why? I said one maybe two slices was a snack We are talking about adults. how did you make that leap?
Benephraim
“There are only 2 possibilities as you must concur.”
I do not concur at all.
I am not even sure where you got this idea from.There is a third possibility it is like bread and sometimes requires washing and sometimes doesn’t there are a whole category of foods that all into this group. See Avira’s inital post
Or Search for articles on “PAS HABAH B’KISNIN” The OU, Start K have nive articles. Halichipedia has an excellent very detailed page
Avira
that is interesting , I like it shkoyachBenephraim,
“If it is bread,then it is bread and if it is cake then it is cake or babka? Why the confusion?”no confusion. It is neither bread nor cake. It is something in between. Therefore it is treated as something in between, so it depends on how it is being eatedn if it is eaten like cake (ie as a snack) then it is treated like cake, if however it is being eaten as a meal then it is treated like bread.
(Cake too if enough eaten and eaten as a meal you may need to wash and bench since cake is also often pas habah bkisnin )
Common saychal
your comment is puzzling to me . “do you go up to random strangers in the street and ask for medical advice?” There have been literally dozens of threads on Covid19 all sorts of topics. Al thsoe are ok. chas veshalom a little torah should be discussed, and you try to shut it down.
You arent interested skip it , that is ok. Why the need to shut down a worthwhile discussion“did rav belsky tell you specifically a “side dish”? In yeshiva everyone quoted him as saying “2 slices and even a bite/ma shehu more””
It wasn’t to me , he said it at a Q/A forum, Ive heard it more than once. He may not have used the words “side dish” he may have said “2 slices and something for example French fries” and I changed that to side dish deffinitly implied more than a “bite” but he didnt specify how many French fries .
My point to TS Baum regarding apple Juice was even assuming it had a significant amount of Juice (a doubtful assertion) that affected the taste (an unlikely assertion) it STILL would require Hamotzi if one was having it as a meal.
“Some people deny this-but it’s true-NOBODY, and I mean nobody-eats pizza for snack”
This is nonsense
Nobody, sorry NOBODY* eats one slice and calls it a meal.In fact years ago I heard from R” Belsky Z”l that even two slices was a snack and that Tow slices wit ha side dish (eg French fries) would be a meal.
See Kashrus Kurrents “PAS HABAH B’KISNIN: PAS OR PAS NISHT” from the Star Kwhere they say similar “Our Kashrus Kurrents pizza poll of current consumer eating habits indicates that the average person consumes one slice of an 18″ pizza (alone, without any sides) as a snack and three slices of an 18″ pizza (alone, without any sides) as a meal. Two slices of an 18″ pizza (alone, without any sides) was questionable. Most pizza shops were in agreement that the average consumer orders 2 slices of pizza with a side dish for dinner.”
(* Nobody Ive met, including my kids once they reach about 8, it is a big planet and I’m sure such poeple exist but there are so few of them that its faitr to say Batlu daatam, so that practically Nobody eats one slice and calls it a meal)
TS Baum
“Now, where does making a mezonos come in?
When the pizza is made with fruit juice so it’s not considered dough l’halachah. ”I dont think this is correct.
Fruit juice or a filling (topping) are two differnt ways to defien pas habah B’kisnin. EITHER defitnion would suffice
If Pizza was made wit hfruit juice or if it had cheese (and not fruit juice) the halacha is the same, if eaten as a snack it is mezonos.
If eaten as a meal Hamotzi (even if made from fruit juice)see Aviras post
ujm
1. – 4
It is not completly clear, There was a Russian ban on peyos in trhe 1850s many beleive this is when attempts were made to “hide” them by putting behind ear, under yarmulka etc.
5. Long enough that hair can be grasped ie a few mm
6. They are less influenced by kabalistic ideas, al pi kabalah peyos should be long, not ever cut (some allow burning)/. al pi halacha as long as not removed completely (defined above) the peyos are long enough
No
“The Agudah also points out another problem of endangering children who are having to go to school when it is dark.”
They need filler so it isnt just about our unique needs
especially when you consider y they don’t explain why going in the dark is more dangerous than coming home in the dark, which they currently do, and DST would alleviateI think klal yisroel managed when this was done in the 70s we will survive this.
Isaac
The time you mentioned was in NYC, cities in the western part of time zone (eg Detroit) will be much later reaching 900 AM in late dec/early janAvira
“Marx and ubiq; I thought it was clear that I’m being only semi serious”
don’t worry it was.
Half of my reply got removed, defeating the pointprobably was for the best
Avira
“Marx and ubiq; I thought it was clear that I’m being only semi serious”
don’t worry it was.
Half of my reply got removed, defeating the pointprobably was for the best
“Daas baalei batim is “hepech” of daas torah(rav chaim brisker), so if you’re an average jew, just flip what you consider to be common sense and you’re probably thinking in the way the Torah want you to.”
Shkoyach!
Today I learnt the Torah wants people to drink and drive.
edited“(chapter 24 the 7th sentence) what can we learn from this?”
nothing. The chapter numbers come from a goyish source, and while we use them for convenience they don’t carry
“Now please tell me, who made it be this pasuk? Was it the Anshei Knesses Ha’gedola, Moshe Rabeinu or did it come straight from Hashem?”
It isnt exactly clear, the chapters were finalized in the 13th century, some attribute to Archbishop Stephen Langton.
note this is referring to chapters/perakim.
Pesukim are of course from Moshe Rabbeinu at har sinai, as are the parshiyos: pesuchos/stemos“This year will be the problem for those who only eat gebrokts the last day which is on shabbos, when will it be made?”
Not a problem, we will do the same thing we did 2019, 2018, 2015, 2012
We will make them on Friday, don’t forget an eruv Tavshailin*(* No reason to say Hoil doesnt apply, many eat Gebrokts on shevii shel PEsach (as can be seen in this thread) kids can eat it, choleh shein bo sakana etc )
“How many days are there in the Jewish calendar year?”
Which year?
This year? 384
Last year? 353
Next year? 355If you say “average year” what do you mean?
If you mean the mean? that is a bit less than 365.25 days
If you mean the mode? 355You wrote 354 but this is true for some years, not all not even most, nor the average year
CA
“The Gemara in Rosh Hashanah says that Tishrei is Rosh Hashanah for non Jewish kings so when referring to a non Jewish king reign it would be the 11th month”Your post was written fine. I understand you completely.
However the Gemara (almost explicitly) states not like that.
In the tzad that Daryavesh is considered like non-Jewish kings The Gemara quotes passuk reffering to Tishrei as “chodesh hashvii” and asks why it isnt a new year. The Gemara doesnt even address, and takes it for granted that even if it is a new year, and is the first month of the new year it is still “chodes hashvii”CA
“The Gemara in Rosh Hashanah says that Tishrei is Rosh Hashanah for non Jewish kings so when referring to a Jewish king reign it would be the 11th month”
IT wouldn’t
(I have a pending post which is similar, here i think I phrase it better, and provide two rayahs)If you look at the Gemara there (actually earlier when discussing Nissan)the Gemara asks
Maybe the Aron’s death that occurred in “chodesh hachmishi” of the 40th year occurred after “chodesh ha’ashtei assar” of the 40th year.Clearly the numbers of the month don’t have any relevence to their position in the year.
If the year started in Tishrei then yes The 11th month (shevat) would come before the 5th (Av).Similarly The Gemara asks Daniel makes mention of the 6th month of the second year of Daryavesh then the Seventh month of the second year of Daryavesh.
IF King’s years start in Tishrei it should say Seventh month of the THIRD year.Please note the Gemara does not say it should say the FIRST month of the THIRD year. Tishrei is the seventh month period. but if new years start in Tishrei then the month follwoing 6th month of the second year should be 7th month of the Third year? Gemara answers Daryavesh was tzadik so count from Nissan like Jewish kings .
But again if Daryavesh DID count from Tishrei . Tishrei would still be “chodesh hashvii”
CA
This is not correct (and is the same mistake he is making).
If you look at the beggining of Rosh Hashana the Gemara goes through several possible rayah that We start the year for Jewish Kings from Nissan , and for Goyish kings from Tishrei you will see this clearly.
for example The Gemara says how do we know Jewish Kings are counted from Nissan?
Answers Hekish to Yetzias Mitzrayim.
Asks How do we know Yetzias Mitzrayi is from Nissan?
Answers It says Aron died in the 5th month of the fortieth year ie Av then says Moshe spoke in the 11th month of the Fortieth year ie Shevat So you see within a year Av is before Teves which means new year cant be Tishrei.CLEARLY the fact that the Torah calls Av the 5th month doesnt tell us anything about when the year starts. In fact the Gemara entertains the possibility that the story of Shevat (ie the 11th month) precedes the story in Av (the 5th month) all in the 40th year!
In other words if the year started in Tishrei (as it does for most things) The first month is “chodesh Hashvii” the second month is “chodesh hashmini” etc etc
these are the NAMES of the month .The Torahs’s name for Av is “Chodesh hachamishi” whether it is the 5 th month of the year or the 11th,. The NAME of the month is Chodesh Hachamishi.
Many over the years have discussed why we no longer use these names/ and not all agree with the Ramban. but to actively change the number system doesn’t seem right
Sam
another example
The school year starts in September (lets say September 1) . Nonetheless on the first day of school the teacher writes on the Board 9/1. Throughout the first month pf school the months is labeled “9” the second month is “10”. The teacher doesn’t say well its the first month of school so lets call the date 1/1 then label October 2/ etcLehavdil the first month of the Jewish year is chodesh hashvii. We don’t change its name to “1”
SK
“Today’s generation and for the last thousands of years we change the year number to a new year in Tishrei with the new Year starting and counting Rosh Hashanah as the start of the new year ”
Incorrect you are mixing up two things
The year starts w/ Tishrei (for most things) Yet Tishrei is still the Seventh month.
Tishrei is called the Seventh month even though it is the first month. In the torah the months don;t have names. Much like days of the week We use sunday Monday etc. In Hebrew today the months don;t have names just yom rishon/Day one yom shieni Day two etc Except for shabbos.
with me?
so Biblical months
wha twe call tishrei is chodehs hahshivii the Seventh month. This was and remains the name of the month. Even if the New year begins in tishrei, it still begins with chodesh Hasivii the seventh month(Lehavdil September is the ninth month even though it is called seven/sept – lehavdil not a perfect comparison don;t get caught up on it.)
bottom line is Av is never called 11, it MIGHT even be a bitul aseh to do so.
“What Hishtadlus exactly are we all doing together as a nation in today’s generation to be deserving of the coming of Mashiach bkarov? ”
I am teaching Torah to yidden. specifically the correct numbering of Jewish months.
AAQ
My question wasn’t about my leaving
It was about the headhunter. The headhunter who approached me seems no different than someone approaching cleaning help.There are no doubt halachic issues Ani hamehapecha becharara comes to mind, yet the yonly seem to come up in thse cases. I’m wondering why that is. Is there a halachic difference?
Why is this thread limited to cleaning help?
I got a call from a headhunter this week telling me about a job availability that paid more.than I currently get
I yelled at him “Is this halachically permissable?? How can you sleep at night when you know that you put another person through so much tzar for your own selfish needs. Yes we know how desperate you are but did that give you a right to offer more pay in order to leave my original employment?”Was this the correct response? OR is there a special rule (legal or halachic) governing cleaning help ?
SK
“Who decided on the names of these countries?”
You did. some you chose to use their English names (Russia, Libya) some you chose Hebrew names (Mitzrayim)
some not sure what you are using, In what language is Europe “yireh pe”? I guess yiddish is close but that isnt English nor Hebrew.
I’m all for good Purim Torah, andthe above is pretty harmless, made me smile
however this part of your Purim Torah:
“B”Av is the 11 month of the year from how we follow for the last thousands of years starting from Rosh Hashanah as Tishrei as the first month.”
Is probably a bitul mitzvas aseh according to the Ramban. Although there are heterim to use other months or names etc, if you are activly assigning a new numbering system to Jewish months that seems to be an active bitul aseh
Syag
“said absolutely no one.”
If only that were true.
If you look under this rock https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/simple-solution#post-2065264 you’ll find this gem
“It turns out that those claiming to be moral are the most immoral of them all.”other gems in this thread include
“Only extreme chauvinists can argue otherwise. Seems the west is full of said chauvinists.”Besalel
“for me a refugee is someone who was born and lived in a place which for some reason becomes uninhabitable. ”1) I see plenty of kids, they were born there
2) I’m not sure why being born the place you are is a requirement, my sibling was born in Brooklyn moved to Baltimore, if R”chl he is forced to flee he isn’t a refugee because he wasn’t born there?
3) Why was Ukraine “harms way” 5, 10 or w for that amtter even one year ago ? IS this a war you predicted when these people moved there?“and now need money for what?”
For living
Besalel
Is that always your approach to helping refugees “sure I’ll help but first I need to know what you do”
Only for fellow jews?Trying to understand
Obviously
I don’t know how long it takes. But Obviously this is true. I do t think there is a movment to go back to the “correct” borders of 1939, 1914, etc.
Ujm
Though worth noting there’s a difference between taking by force and annexing with permission even if those who gave permission weren’t the “true” owners.
Though assuming you don’t view the two as different, Then yes they’re the same both would make it theirs. Not that both wouldn’t.“A Ukraine that is part of NATO can be considered threatening to Russia”
Threatening or a threat?
And you have lots of what ifs. The strangest part is that, as you may know Russia annexed Crimea. So your argument, that if Ukraine joins NATO then if Russia takes Crimea, is at best questionable.Your historical analysis, while interesting is a bit irrelevant too. As you know European borders changed dozens of times over the past centuries. Things change. all of Ukraine was part of Russia, as was Poland for that matter . I think it was you who first shared with me the “I was born in Austro-Hungary, bar mitzvahd in Czechoslovakia, married in Hungary, had my first child in the USSR, and died in Ukraine, without ever leaving Munkatch” in 1954 Crimea became part of Ukraine. Shoin! fertig Mazel Tov
“The us as any sane country, will always put its own safety first. No matter what the price. Russia is no different. Only extreme chauvinists can argue otherwise. Seems the west is full of said chauvinists.”
No question about that. though that isn’t the issue at hand.
Only someone extremely delusional can argue Ukraine poses a threat to Russia. THAT is the discussion.
smerel
“we disbanded the Warsaw Pact why does the West continue the militaristic buildup of NATO?” there is legitimacy behind what they are saying.”firstly when have the Russians said that? And if they did there wouldn’t be legitimacy. nor even logic to such a claim. The idea of NATO is an attack on one equals an attack on all. To have a problem with NATO, you’d have to say “well what if I want to attack one of you and not face all” It is hard to argue that that is “legitimate”
And the Russians didn’t disband the Warsaw PAct, all the member countries chose to leave it (thus it was disbanded) and ALL (outside the USSR) joined NATO. Russia has since formed it s own treaty the CSTO which includes several former Soviet Republics.So in short Russia DOES still have a military alliance. and even if they didn’t , “well what if we want to attack one of you” doesn’t sound super legitimate
1) I did answer the point. Your point was as summed up by your opening sentence “All of the bloodshed should have been prevented by the u.s. agreeing to leave Ukraine a neutral nation.”
to which I directly replied (quoting it) why isnt it up to Ukraine? An independent country has the right to conduct its own foreign affairs.
2) Whataboutism is cheap and arrogant Calling it out is neither (ok maybe cheap your argument was so flimsy just calling it by its name undermines it) Though name calling? . Yes The US was wrong to invade Iraq. That has approximately zero bearing on Russia invading Ukraine. China is bad in no way does that justify Russia
3) You are king of name calling, surprised you have a problem with it
You have been drinking up Russian Propaganda.
“the u.s. agreeing to leave Ukraine a neutral nation.” why isnt it up to Ukraine? An independent country has the right to conduct its own foreign affairs. It isn’t the US bringing Ukraien into NATO (unless Ukraine is being forced) it is Ukraine. If they view it as being in their best interests then by all means they should look to join. If not, not.
The rest of your post is largely riddled with whatboutism, what about IRaq what about China. (with a few fair points thrown in) but it is built on a distortion.
Bottom line. Putin is invading a neighbor not in self defense. That is wrong full stop.
The same reason their parents complained about them, and theirs about them etc
The idea that “Today’s kids…” is not new
אַל־תֹּאמַר֙ מֶ֣ה הָיָ֔ה שֶׁ֤הַיָּמִים֙ הָרִ֣אשֹׁנִ֔ים הָי֥וּ טוֹבִ֖ים מֵאֵ֑לֶּה כִּ֛י לֹ֥א מֵחׇכְמָ֖ה שָׁאַ֥לְתָּ עַל־זֶֽה׃
RM
“But at least no more mean tweets!”
Agreed and that was one of his better qualities
“And before you say bu-bu-but Uman and the yidden there. Id reccomend try thinking about the pain endured by our people by the ukrainians.”
Help me out I’m trying to understand. Jews are currently suffering, property and even life is in peril., but we shouldn’t support them (be “Pro-Ukraine”) be cause of what those Jews’ neighbor’s ancestors did to Jews in the past.
Do I understand you correctly?
Baruch Hashem Baruch Hashem Trump isnt in charge
could you imagine Trump in charge of the Nuclear arsenal at thsi time Rachmana Litzlan
He would have given Ukraine over to his buddy Putin AND likely still manage to start a wrodl War
Trump’s loss was truly the Refua before the makah
boy are we lucky
“then you popped in with the am haretz comment, ”
Nope that’s not what happened, you are remembering wrong
CS
not quite“Actually the tread was about animal insults in yiddish and they are not so common in other languages”
Yes, thats how it started and I popped in to provide plenty of English examples of animal insults in English
On the subject of insults someone else (not me) popped in with the worst Yiddish insult “The worst insult is “Am Ha’aretz”. The very, very worst”
You replied to that fellow (not me) with two statements
1) ” I would rather be associated with an am hareatz who has emucha peshuta then a lamdam who has warped haskafa,”
2) “PS other than in the zip code 08701 an am haretz is not insult.”
Statement 1 has nothing to do with the thread as I pointed out in my last comment (somethign can still be an insult even if you prefer them because of some other quality)
Statement 2 was relevant, though incorrect which is what I replied initially, and we got conformation from other zip codes too