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SK
“Who decided on the names of these countries?”
You did. some you chose to use their English names (Russia, Libya) some you chose Hebrew names (Mitzrayim)
some not sure what you are using, In what language is Europe “yireh pe”? I guess yiddish is close but that isnt English nor Hebrew.
I’m all for good Purim Torah, andthe above is pretty harmless, made me smile
however this part of your Purim Torah:
“B”Av is the 11 month of the year from how we follow for the last thousands of years starting from Rosh Hashanah as Tishrei as the first month.”
Is probably a bitul mitzvas aseh according to the Ramban. Although there are heterim to use other months or names etc, if you are activly assigning a new numbering system to Jewish months that seems to be an active bitul aseh
Syag
“said absolutely no one.”
If only that were true.
If you look under this rock https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/simple-solution#post-2065264 you’ll find this gem
“It turns out that those claiming to be moral are the most immoral of them all.”other gems in this thread include
“Only extreme chauvinists can argue otherwise. Seems the west is full of said chauvinists.”Besalel
“for me a refugee is someone who was born and lived in a place which for some reason becomes uninhabitable. ”1) I see plenty of kids, they were born there
2) I’m not sure why being born the place you are is a requirement, my sibling was born in Brooklyn moved to Baltimore, if R”chl he is forced to flee he isn’t a refugee because he wasn’t born there?
3) Why was Ukraine “harms way” 5, 10 or w for that amtter even one year ago ? IS this a war you predicted when these people moved there?“and now need money for what?”
For living
Besalel
Is that always your approach to helping refugees “sure I’ll help but first I need to know what you do”
Only for fellow jews?Trying to understand
Obviously
I don’t know how long it takes. But Obviously this is true. I do t think there is a movment to go back to the “correct” borders of 1939, 1914, etc.
Ujm
Though worth noting there’s a difference between taking by force and annexing with permission even if those who gave permission weren’t the “true” owners.
Though assuming you don’t view the two as different, Then yes they’re the same both would make it theirs. Not that both wouldn’t.“A Ukraine that is part of NATO can be considered threatening to Russia”
Threatening or a threat?
And you have lots of what ifs. The strangest part is that, as you may know Russia annexed Crimea. So your argument, that if Ukraine joins NATO then if Russia takes Crimea, is at best questionable.Your historical analysis, while interesting is a bit irrelevant too. As you know European borders changed dozens of times over the past centuries. Things change. all of Ukraine was part of Russia, as was Poland for that matter . I think it was you who first shared with me the “I was born in Austro-Hungary, bar mitzvahd in Czechoslovakia, married in Hungary, had my first child in the USSR, and died in Ukraine, without ever leaving Munkatch” in 1954 Crimea became part of Ukraine. Shoin! fertig Mazel Tov
“The us as any sane country, will always put its own safety first. No matter what the price. Russia is no different. Only extreme chauvinists can argue otherwise. Seems the west is full of said chauvinists.”
No question about that. though that isn’t the issue at hand.
Only someone extremely delusional can argue Ukraine poses a threat to Russia. THAT is the discussion.
smerel
“we disbanded the Warsaw Pact why does the West continue the militaristic buildup of NATO?” there is legitimacy behind what they are saying.”firstly when have the Russians said that? And if they did there wouldn’t be legitimacy. nor even logic to such a claim. The idea of NATO is an attack on one equals an attack on all. To have a problem with NATO, you’d have to say “well what if I want to attack one of you and not face all” It is hard to argue that that is “legitimate”
And the Russians didn’t disband the Warsaw PAct, all the member countries chose to leave it (thus it was disbanded) and ALL (outside the USSR) joined NATO. Russia has since formed it s own treaty the CSTO which includes several former Soviet Republics.So in short Russia DOES still have a military alliance. and even if they didn’t , “well what if we want to attack one of you” doesn’t sound super legitimate
1) I did answer the point. Your point was as summed up by your opening sentence “All of the bloodshed should have been prevented by the u.s. agreeing to leave Ukraine a neutral nation.”
to which I directly replied (quoting it) why isnt it up to Ukraine? An independent country has the right to conduct its own foreign affairs.
2) Whataboutism is cheap and arrogant Calling it out is neither (ok maybe cheap your argument was so flimsy just calling it by its name undermines it) Though name calling? . Yes The US was wrong to invade Iraq. That has approximately zero bearing on Russia invading Ukraine. China is bad in no way does that justify Russia
3) You are king of name calling, surprised you have a problem with it
You have been drinking up Russian Propaganda.
“the u.s. agreeing to leave Ukraine a neutral nation.” why isnt it up to Ukraine? An independent country has the right to conduct its own foreign affairs. It isn’t the US bringing Ukraien into NATO (unless Ukraine is being forced) it is Ukraine. If they view it as being in their best interests then by all means they should look to join. If not, not.
The rest of your post is largely riddled with whatboutism, what about IRaq what about China. (with a few fair points thrown in) but it is built on a distortion.
Bottom line. Putin is invading a neighbor not in self defense. That is wrong full stop.
The same reason their parents complained about them, and theirs about them etc
The idea that “Today’s kids…” is not new
אַל־תֹּאמַר֙ מֶ֣ה הָיָ֔ה שֶׁ֤הַיָּמִים֙ הָרִ֣אשֹׁנִ֔ים הָי֥וּ טוֹבִ֖ים מֵאֵ֑לֶּה כִּ֛י לֹ֥א מֵחׇכְמָ֖ה שָׁאַ֥לְתָּ עַל־זֶֽה׃
RM
“But at least no more mean tweets!”
Agreed and that was one of his better qualities
“And before you say bu-bu-but Uman and the yidden there. Id reccomend try thinking about the pain endured by our people by the ukrainians.”
Help me out I’m trying to understand. Jews are currently suffering, property and even life is in peril., but we shouldn’t support them (be “Pro-Ukraine”) be cause of what those Jews’ neighbor’s ancestors did to Jews in the past.
Do I understand you correctly?
Baruch Hashem Baruch Hashem Trump isnt in charge
could you imagine Trump in charge of the Nuclear arsenal at thsi time Rachmana Litzlan
He would have given Ukraine over to his buddy Putin AND likely still manage to start a wrodl War
Trump’s loss was truly the Refua before the makah
boy are we lucky
“then you popped in with the am haretz comment, ”
Nope that’s not what happened, you are remembering wrong
CS
not quite“Actually the tread was about animal insults in yiddish and they are not so common in other languages”
Yes, thats how it started and I popped in to provide plenty of English examples of animal insults in English
On the subject of insults someone else (not me) popped in with the worst Yiddish insult “The worst insult is “Am Ha’aretz”. The very, very worst”
You replied to that fellow (not me) with two statements
1) ” I would rather be associated with an am hareatz who has emucha peshuta then a lamdam who has warped haskafa,”
2) “PS other than in the zip code 08701 an am haretz is not insult.”
Statement 1 has nothing to do with the thread as I pointed out in my last comment (somethign can still be an insult even if you prefer them because of some other quality)
Statement 2 was relevant, though incorrect which is what I replied initially, and we got conformation from other zip codes too
CS
“So would I prefer a G-d fearing am haretz over a lamdan who has warped haskafas?”I’m not so sure what you mena by “prefer” Regardless this thread is not about what peopel you prefer, it is about insults, particularly yiddish ones.
“Am haaretz” is in my opinion the worst insult mentioned in this thread. You do not have to agree. Obviously this is subjective.
The fact that some am haaratzim are “better people” or that you “prefer” them than some lamdanim might be true, but has absolutely zero bearing on this threadI don’t even understand what you are trying to say. I know some ugly people I prefer them to some good looking people, this doesn’t change the fact that ugly is an insult.
Screwdriver
“A vaccine mandate for all companies with more than 100 employees was b”h ruled unconstitutional. ”
It was not.
In fact arguably it was ruled constituional.
The court ruled that OSHA as written did not allow for it. IF the federal government were to revise OSHA (or create a new law) requiring vacccines, then it may be allowed
Or to quote directly “Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly. Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category”If congress DID give OSHA that power then the mandate MAY be able to proceed and may not be unconstituional( like the healthcare worker mandate)
CS
I don’t live in 33480 either, but seems like they too find “am haretz” an insult
CS
“PS other than in the zip code 08701 an am haretz is not insult.”I’m not 08701, and, in my book, “am haaretz” is the worst insult mentioned in this thread
far worse than “a lamdan with warped hashkafa” not even close
“Are generic drugs inferior to Brand Names in terms of ingredients and efficacy?:
Generally not. There are a handful of exceptions, one that comes to mind is Levothyroxine which is the generic for synthroid. The two may not be equivalent, though this is likely not due to the active ingredient, rather the inactive ingredient might affect how the active-med is absorbed .
“When you compare it to Tefillas Kol Peh where every paragraph is in a different font either different letter size, or bold to differentiate the paragraphs.”
Interesting.
I like the Artscroll siddur for the exact reason that it doesn’t randomly change fonts. It makes me nervous that one Halleluka is bigger than the next. or Berachos during shemoneh esrei randomly change size.To each their own
English
a Pig, looks like a cow, stubborn as a mule/ox, (Trump’s favorite) like a dog, jacka$$, dodo, don’t be chicken, he’s a rat
Agree with th OP
” For example many of their reports implicitly push, equity based worldviews.”
A website that calls itself “yeshiva” world news should be far more explicit in their call to equity
I for onw think this is one of the most interesting threads CS ever started. I’m sure others disagree, that is ok.
I don’t really understand the idea that only the most important topic or the most pressing issue is worthy of discussion. That (by definition) would mean one thread, sounds boring.
If a topic isnt interesting don’t comment. why do people feel the need to shut down other people’s conversations?
RW
” And no YWN is not social media its a forum and those have been around many years and are not as problematic as social media.”
By any defintion, YWN (At least the coffee room) is social media
Websters:
” forms of electronic communication (such as websites for social networking and microblogging) through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content ”Oxford:
“websites and applications that enable users to create and share content or to participate in social networking.”YWN Coffee room falls squarely into those definitions. you say it is “older” than other forms, I suppose thats true, not sure why that changes things .
you says it is ” not as problematic as social media.” I agree, but this sprt of answers your question.
Why use something simply because it is “not as problematic”? Obviously you find some good here. In spite of it being a bit of a time waster, often full of silly ideas, inane arguments often by people who don’t understand the topics they are talking about (I once had a long drawn out discussion with someone on whether a study was valid, with someone who didn’t understand the basic idea behind studies)
I spite of those negatives WE find something of value here, whatever that may beSame for other forms of social media, sure there are downsides, but people find that the good outweighs the bad. yo umention “just an excuse to use the platform since everyone else is using it.” YES! that is a big chunk of it. PEople dont want to feel left out. They find value in that
“cholopchis for the Polish”
choloptchies isn’t Polish.
My grandmother from Poland calls it “Gefilte kraut” Growing up all the hungarians and Galitzianers called it “choloptches” clearly based on “Halupki” which is Slavik
RE
“ubi, your question is an old question”
I didnt ask a question.
In fact, since I was worried some might mistakenly think I was asking a question, I explicitly wrote ” Note I’m not actually asking,…” To make it clear that I was NOT asking a question
“Does this bother anyone else? ”
It bothers me but I don’t think it is fixable at this time.
Part of the problem I think is The whole structure of congress is antiquated, in my view. The senate is built on the idea that there are 13 equal colonies (today 50) so 2 votes each. This doesn’t feel true today, and feels anti-democratic. Why should my state with 19.5 million people have the same say as my neighbor with less than a fifth of our population (CT 3.6 million).
Note I’m not actually asking, I understand, Historically why it was designed this way But the reality is that today When the Senate is split 50/50. The Democratic half represents 41.5 million more people (thats over 10% of the population).
This seems unfair. The Presidency makes more sense (putting aside the electoral college which suffers from the same problem, but in most cases this distinction is irrelevant) .
To be clear, I’m not suggesting mob rule is best, that the majority should have free reign period. Checks and balances are good, hopefully with time Political tempers may cool and the idea of Democratic lawmakers supporting Republican ideas and vice versa will not be as unthinkable as it is today. But for now when the President was elected by a clear majority , if the minority party says we will obstruct no matter what. The only way to govern is by fiat
akuperma
“However Biden is the first president, ever, to announce that gender and race are the ONLY factors he’ll consider.”Is that what he said?
I agree that would be bad. I didn’t realize he said that .The quotes I saw were all along the lines of “The person I will nominate will be someone with extraordinary qualifications, character, experience and integrity. And that person will be the first Black woman ever nominated to the United States Supreme Court,”
RS
“In the ideal world the most qualified individual should be the nominee.”How would that work? What is the measure by which we could judge who is “most qualified” for the Supreme court.
And are you saying that whoever has the highest measure, of whatever it means to be “most qualified” should be the nominee regardless of when he/she plans to retire regardless of ideology?LP
Go for it, if that is important to you lobby the current administration or start supporting likely contenders for 2024. If enough of you support that you might get itIt is childish to think the Scotus nominee is the most qualified. What does that even mean? How is that determined. It is obvious a President won’t appoint a “more qualified” justice with a different ideology than his own, and nobody would suggest that he should .
similarly there is obvious ly an age cut-off since the President wants to make a longer impact.So the only discussion is among equally qualified people is it wrong to give a prefrence to an underrepresented group.
Often those opposed, accidently say the quiet part out loud . For example one poster wrote “The reality is when they specifically select a minority or woman or other such criteria to the detriment and exclusion of white guys, they’re selecting a clearly less qualified minority candidate.” The candidate hasn’t even been announced, yet somehow she is less qualified that the white guy.
Avira
“Israel had an advantage in its advanced technology, weaponry, training and other factors”
Interesting. Never expected to hear you subscribe to “Kochi Veotzem yodi”
kidding, of course I did. Still funny to see
CS
Sorry, Not following
OP said “The Postal Service is delivering one shipment of 4 COVID tests per residential address”
where they always doing this?
If not, what is the connection to your toilet always flushing ?
CS
“my toilet flushing properly is about as irrelevant”
don’t be so quick to dismiss things as irrelevant. Sometimes you may be surprised.
toilets should not have trouble flushing. You either need a plumber or need to change your diet .
I wouldn’t just put it off.
#themoreyouknow
CS
consider a diet change if you are having trouble with that
“And yes, there is a mistake in my first sentence which illustrates a mistake I see secular teachers make”
Maybe those spelling mistakes are there to illustrate mistakes too?
Excellent example of Ubiquitin’s law of the internet btw (Sometimes called Skitt’s law)
RW
“Also by him supporting vaccines and encouraging them without mentioning he is against mandates, implies and gives the impression that he is for it.”
no it doesn’t. At all. And even if someone thought that was true, he specifically said the opposite
From his interview w/ Candace Owens “Forget about the mandates, people have to have their freedom, but at the same time, the vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind … I came up with a vaccine — with three vaccines,”
As to why many of Trump’s supporters have trouble with this simple distinction?
not so mysteriousRW
Trump didn’t change at all
You ask “Are you still behind trump 100 percent ” People who were behind him 100% arevery confusing to me. Trump has shown his true colors many many times
The question was ON BALANCE does/did the good outweigh the bad. To me not by a long shot, others felt that while he had many chisronos, on balance the good outweighed the bad. Sure as time passes they can reevaluate either based on new information (or perceived changes) or clearing up of old hidden information and now feel that on balance the good no longer outweighs the bad. Thats fair
but very few people here (if any) were ever behind Trump 100%. Though admittedly it did sound that way at times , but when push came to shove, most people conceded it wasnt 100% (why it was so hard for them to say that is a separate issue)
You say “just shows that once someone hurts his ego he will flip a 180. He’s not to be trusted.” this isn’t news Trump is not a young man he has been around and in the public view for decades. This was not a secret. It is a bit odd, that you ever thought that somehow you were special, and even if you (I dont mean you personally, I mean people/groups you care about) hurt his ego he would still be a mensch
“He basically flipped everything he said before”
That is literally his entire modus operandi. He was a Democrat as recently as 2009 , and has publicly identified as such , and with many “liberal” positions. It is confusing that you are surprised by this now
” And the fact that he attracts such big crowds is frightening and reminiscent of other powerful and maniacal individuals.”
again, very confusing. He did this in 2016 too.
EVERYTHING you have said was true in 2016.
Lastly, “I would say the fact that he is suddenly encouraging vaccines and boosters after claiming to be against mandates proves it all further. ”
This part doesnt prove anything. Encouraging vaccines has nothing to do with mandates. I encourage everybody to try french fries on Pizza, absolutely delicious game changer. Try it! even if you don;t like it at least you’ll know. that said I dont think there should be a mandate requiring you to try it. no contradiction there at allTVP
“Ubi-Isn’t an individual entitled to a second opinion when it comes to his wellbeing?”
Yes, I’m not sure what thsi is in reference too
“You comparison isn’t accurate. I don’t believe there are any experts out there who think a seatbelt poses any threat”
Of course there are. Its a big planet there is everything out there. Granted you probably (correctly) disregard the opinion of thsoe who think seatbelts pose a risk but guess what when it comes to vaccines…
And again you are getting caught up in specifics same mistake as Besalel made. No vacciens and seatblets are not exactly the same.
But the idea that Government mandates things that serve to protect the individual even with no risk to the public , is there .You can argue that in this case it is a bit of an overstep (like 2scents did)
But the idea that the ONLY reason for a mandate is to prevent transmission doesnt hold up2scents
Love your comment very well put.
I don’t fully agree (I think forcing people to “mere sake that these individuals will be less likely to have severe symptoms if and when they are infected with Covid,” is fine. All the more so when it isn’t JUST about symptoms it is also about a strain on the health care system, that I see happening again)
Autonomy also faces a hurdle because patients don’t exist in a vacuum.
Case that happened yesterday. Transport arrived to bring an Admitted patient to dialysis. He refused he was in the middle of lunch, they came back later he “wasnt in the mood, maybe tomorrow” Of course we cannot force him.
In the afternoon, he became short of breath, labs were drawn and his potassium was quite high. now he agrees to dialysis . OIf course now the nurses are home, so the on call nurse has to come in and dialyze him. IF there is any urgent case that now needs to wait because he couldnt be bothered in the afternoon.I don’t have a solution since Autonomy is critical, and people are allowed to change their minds. But it isnt straightforward .
I don’t have a good solution, and I’m not trying to convince you.
I mostly wanted to thank you for your excellent comment“ive long ago been a supporter of legalizing marijuana.”
Mazel tov
I was replying to specific points
The OP wants to know why are there vaccine mandates if the vaccine doesn’t reduce transmission.
To which I replied that reducing transmission is not the only reason for mandates. I raised seatbelt mandates as an example
you then said “i think the point is that there seems to be no single rule”
to which I repleid correct! There isnt. creatign a single rule isnt real a goal for society. Each case is judged individually. I used marijuana as an example. I f you think that is wrong, in no way does it undermine my point that there is no universal rule for what is mandated/what is banned.
Each case is judged individuallyIf you think marijuana should be legal – great lobby your senator. I was not suggesting Vaccines should be mandated because marijuana is illegal
If you think Covid vaccine should be mandated support more executive actions I guess? But the fact that we dont mandate the Flu is irrelevant.
besalel
There is never a single rule
tobacco and alcohol are legal Marijuana isn’t (federally) The reason for this distinction is largely societal and historical reason, it isn’t based yet it exists. There is never an overarching rule that applies to all cases. No man made legal system could ever accomplish that.Each case is judged individually, sure you can show precedent one way or the other to bolster your position, but that doesn’t change anything. You bring up flu vaccines, ok sold I support mandatory flu vaccines to go to school. But just because they don;t exist doesn’t change a thing when it comes to Covid .
Yes it is largely because Covid is new and therefore more frightening. However Sick patients are picking up again. THat IS frighting and trying o prevent it is appropriate Kidneys are shutting down again just like in April 2020 (I haven’t seen this in vaccinated Patients but that is just my observation I don’t have real data)
TVP
Why is transmission the be all-end all of vaccines. seatbelts don’t prevent car accidents yet they are mandated in almost every state. If vaccines prevent serious injuries and death, even if they don’t prevent infection in the first place why is that a reason not to mandate?
“On the other hand, klal yisroel has adopted this story – when we start dismissing such traditions out of hand, we are on a slippery slope”
The reverse is true
when every made up nonsense gets elevated to Torah misinai, the line of whats real and whats not becomes blurred THAT is a slippery slope problem
smerel
The authors aren’t unknown. You may not have heard of them but many authors of Golem stories are known. Wikipeida provides a list Berthold Auerbach, Gustav Philippson, Franz Klutschak, Adam Tendlau , Leopold Weisel
Much like most people can’t name the author of Peter PanThere are lots of made up stories that achieve fame. Far more than the Golem.
You are right perhaps those arent the best comparisons a better comparison would be Vampires who invented it ? nobody knows yet it is something most people have heard of (far more than the Golem) Does that lead credence to their existence? OF course notsmerel
“On another note while I doubt the Golem existed I also don’t believe that the origins of the legend are some obscure 19th century author . It could not have become such a widespread legend on the basis of some author who 99.99999% of people ever heard of in any context other than the claim that he was the one to make up the story”
I don’t follow so Sherlock Holmes, and Peter Pan have some truth because they are so well known? they cant just be from a 19th (early 20th for the latter) century author?
RW
I don’t understand the question.
you can break the dolar into 100 individaul cents just there is no coin that will represent those centsMost people understand that 5 100 dollar bills = $500 even though there is no 500 dollar bill. (Ok its not the same)
Gas prices are listed (and calculated) using fractions of a cent even though there is no coin with that denomination
A dollar will still equal 100 cents. Just there is no coin that has a value of 1 cent just like there isn’t one with a value of 2 cents 3 cents or 17 cents
Avira
Only true statement:
“you don’t just walk in like a regular 9-5 job,”True its either 8 – 11 or 12 -4
or something like that
NEVER 9-5“all rebbeim have to take summer jobs”
So do all of us, we just call it “jobs”
The salary (and camp discounts) should count when considering their yearly salary” casting chinuch as an east street profession”
I didn’t mean it is easy.
It has pluses and minuses like every profession. Yes the take home pay is a bit less, but the hours are much much less.
That doesn’t make it easy.
Adam La’umal Yulad. Many of use have hard jobs“What I said isn’t “against the gemara””
your observation is see Berachos 35b “”many did like Rabbi Yishmael and were successful, and many did like Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai and were unsuccessful”. ”Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to convince you on kolel stuff. You went through some rough stuff I get it, and this is nt a topic that intrests me. Nu nu times change and that Gemara no longer holds true. b’seder
The ignored perks that teachers get though that I find interesting
Avira
Lol at your previous post, I love it when you make stuff up “currently a great number of those who claim to want to follow rebbe yishmoel go off entirely or partially in trying to do so” In this one you are flat out arguing on the Gemara which says almost the oppositeGood stuff.
Two points that seem to have been ignored in this thread.
1) Hours.
teachers work much fewer hours than most. Typically half a day ( yes plus an hour for phonecalls grading papers etc). Early dismissal Fridays. Not to mention summer off.Plus there schedule is built around their kid’s with off during kids breaks winter, Chanuka etc. Fridays in the winter are less of a stress.
It is not reasonable to argue that “well in an office job I would make 15 K more” – which is what a recent “viral letter” said comparing Apples and Oranges.
Of course if after you chesban all the extra hours ? babysitting and still feel that working almost double the hours (including summers and full days instead of half) is to your benefit for the extra 15 K, then go for it chayecha kodem. but to just compare Teaching to a much more time intensive job doesn’t make sense.
2) tuition breaks
A even bigger point is tuition breaks. As far as I’m aware most schools offer their faculty tuition breaks, The ones I’m aware are half off.
One of the popular local girl schools in my area charges 12 K per kid. A teacher with 3 girls in the school saves 18K a year. To make that extra 18K Before taxes she would need 25 K (guesstimating).now granted this depends on how many kids faculty member has, and of what gender. Though solutions could be easily worked out (if there was such desire) between schools that could give vouchers recognized by the other.
In short teachers pay is commensurate to the far fewer hours they work compared to most.
When you include tuition breaks it far exceeds most similar level fields