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Most people are decent enough not to behave badly in front of children
Even if you throw the dice and hope no one will behave badly in front of your children’s neshomos, how certain are you it wont happen elsewhere in the stands — but within hearing or seeing distance.
The fans don’t curse in the stands?
No.
ItcheSrulik
Resident College “Shaigetz”
chassidim because they simply switched back to the European styles.
Chasidim never changed away from how they did it in Europe, so you’re incorrect about them “switched back”.
As far as the Yeshivish, I don’t see the comparison between changing brim size or feathers to dropping a hat altogether.
Feif – All stories are embellished with time. It is the nature of how stories play telephone.
I gave my children breakfast. Then I drove my wife for an errand.
Guys have humility and are judicious in their public commentary. Hence the lack of public discussion of intensely private thoughts.
I’ll again repeat, though, that most producers allow one copy to be made.
What is the precise basis in halacha that a purchased (not rented) CD cannot be copied (for a friend)?
Girls- things that a guy does or says on a date that makes you lose interest
Huh? Is dating a game? You say the right things and you advance to Go and collect $200; say something uninteresting and you lose.
And I thought it was about marriage.
That’s an interesting point. If the second buyer (on eBay in the above example) was unaware of the fact it is a rental, and assumed he was purchasing a CD like 99.9% of CD’s are sold, and is still unaware of the fact it was originally a rental, is it like…
…he purchased stolen merchandise? (Same idea as if someone stole something and sold it to another person who has no idea it was stolen.) If so, what are the rights of the new buyer?
…is still under the rental, just he has no idea that its a rental and has no idea what the rental terms are.
always here: When you get married you will have a better idea of what real life is all about. What I can tell you from experience, is that it is NOT a bed of roses. Once you start dating, hopefully someone will help you navigate what you can expect.
To be forewarned is to be forearmed. Always remember divorce is a dirty word never to be used — even jokingly — in a Jewish home.
Anyone else here remember driving the Model T?
90 out of 100 times a divorcee who remarries will marry someone else who was divorced. And more times than not that person will have their own issues that lead to their own divorce. And chances are good whatever issues they have will be no better than the spouse he/she divorced.
Moral? The grass isn’t greener on the other side. Divorce may not lead to a better marriage. (And it may very well be worse.)
See the other threads from the past few days with the dismal statistics indicating the failure rate for second marriages being significantly higher than that of first ones.
Also, on the Mostly Music website (Aderet), there are two options: Buy CD, and Buy Download.
IOW, you are saying a download is impossible to rent. Or that the website is missing any disclaimer declaring it a rental? It seems to me that it would be impossible to “rent” an intangible asset, like a download — even with the proper terminology on the website.
I remember when we replaced our outhouse.
You did the right thing. Responding would have made matters worse.
How (and how fast) did you extricate yourself from that?
we also would play with our neighbors kids even if they werent jewish
we also would eat with our neighbors kids even if it wasnt kosher
Maybe when they were looking to hire, no yehudim applied or were looking at the time for a $12/hr job.
So if after I rent the CD I lose or break it, I am liable to replace it for the owner (Aderet)?
Does the rental allow me to loan my CD to my friend to play on his CD player (when I am away and don’t need it)? Can I use the CD in my friends car when driving it (or being given a ride), or on his CD player when I am at his house? Can my father, brother, or son take the CD from the living room shelf and play it (since I always let them borrow my stuff without asking)?
If so, if my relative/friend — on his own initiative and without my knowledge or permission — makes a copy, he seemingly violated nothing as he has no contractual relationship or agreement with the producer.
Goq, what were you doing the ezras nashim?
Surely you jest. You hit 40 Goq?
First of all, in most cases copying for your own ipod does not violate the agreement. Secondly, although that’s the producer’s only recourse, the renter, by violating the agreement, was oiver on g’neiva (using the producer’s property in a way which he never allowed).
Breach of contract is g’neiva? If I sign a contract with you to rent an office for business purposes only, but instead I move in with the gantze mishpacha, is that g’neiva? (Just asking.)
Your point is one of the things gained by rental vs t’nai: in a t’nai, some poskim (not all) maintained that the producer would have to refund the money (and since he has no intention to, the whole t’nai is invalid). Others hold that since the purchaser broke the t’nai, the money need not be returned.
You’re saying that the halacha for a rental is different than that for a t’nai, in that all poskim agree there is no need to refund the money for the remaining term of the rental, if the renter broke the terms of rental?
(Side point: It would be easier to read your comments, if you put a blank line between your paragraphs as well as your quotations.)
There are some possible arguments to question the validity of the rental, but I haven’t yet seen them brought up here.
Which arguments, that you know of, haven’t been brought up yet?
Daas,
Do you disagree with what I maintain is the maximum recourse available to the producer under halacha if the “renter” violates the terms of the agreement? (If so, specifically on what halachic basis?)
Yes. A rental has a return involved, the agreement is that it must be returned if copied.
IOW, you agree with me that the only recourse the producer has (if the renter makes a copy for his iPod or for his friend thus violating the terms of the rental) is to demand the CD be returned, but disagree with me that the producer must issue the customer a refund (i.e. a pro-rated refund based on the remaining portion of the rental term — originally 20 years in Aderet’s case).
My Cousin and i made a deal that we aren’t ever getting married when we were younger.
Why would either of you want to never get married?
Don’t worry, he changed screen names today.
Girls cost a loooot more to marry off.
Daas,
Do you disagree with what I maintain is the maximum recourse available to the producer under halacha if the “renter” violates the terms of the agreement? (If so, specifically on what halachic basis?)
Go for it yossi. She may be your bashert!
I’d say a boy between 12 and 14.
smartcookie: You never start or base a marriage on what if it doesn’t work out.
smartcookie: How old were they?
b. Anyone who is reasonable
Incorrect.
Let them ask a shaila
You missed the point. Many, if not most, people are unaware of the terms inside the sealed package (if not being entirely unaware that it is a “rental” in the first place.)
They are not asking for a reversal of the contract; the contract stipulated that under certain conditions, the CD must be returned.
Who cares what they are asking for. The only remedy Halacha entitles them, if there was a breach in the terms of the original contract, is to void the original contract. (The contract stipulation about being returned under certain conditions is not relevant to this breach of contract issue.)
So you go have your marriage ceremony in a state that allows it. We never allow secular law to interfere with who we marry. Especially since it is so easy to get around.
Daas Yochid,
If they demand your first born, you can say that it wasn’t reasonable to expect that condition. If they demand that you not give someone else a free copy, you can’t honestly say that you didn’t expect that condition.
1) a. Where in halacha is there a difference between reasonable and unreasonable? b. IF there is, who is to say asking for your real estate in return is unreasonable?
And by now, you know what it says inside.
2) I may know. Many many people do not. Many people bought the CD and still never realized it said anything about a rental agreement inside.
Regarding your other point, which, I believe, was canine’s point, if you violated the agreement, why should they have to give you your money back.
3) I’m not asking how either of us feel about it. I am asking what strict halacha has to say about it. In halacha, the aggrieved parties remedy for breach of contract, is to demand to reverse the original contract — return the item, get back your money.
Daas, expound on the halachic difference, per Shulchan Aruch. Not your personal feelings of what is “a ridiculous argument.” Your argument was based on the fact “those are the conditions, you agreed to it. Simple as that.” What halachic difference is there if the clauses “agreed” to include something external or only internal?
I only get it when reading the CR.
And the second pertinent point is if the renter/buyer violates the conditions of the lease (whether it is a CD or a car – i.e. he agreed to be the only driver but allowed a relative to drive the vehicle in violation of the rental agreement), what halachic recourse is the owner entitled to from the renter?
The point was made above that the only halachic recourse is to reverse the original transaction. If it is something more than that, is there a source for that?
Heartburn
Daas, so if after you open the package it states that you just agreed to turn over any real estate you own to the producers, its binding? If not, on what halachic basis are any of the terms binding?
Divorce is a dirty word. This serial sounds treif.