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tumill
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David1999
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“FYI – 51st between 9Th and 8Th ave is part of the Boro Park eruv.52st and 53st bet 9Th and 8Th ave are outside of the Boro Park eruv., and there are NO ERUVS ON THOSE BLOCKS.”The same way that you know of those few blocks ,is the same why you know of the back-up eruv NOTHING!!!
david1999
“I already corrected myself. The fact that you harp on a simple typing mistake demonstrates that you are grasping at straws “
I HAVEN’T SEEN ANY POST SHOWING THAT YOU CORRECTED YOURSELF.
WHY DO YOU KEEP ON SAYING THAT THERE IS A BACKUP ERUV, WHEN ONE DOES NOT EXIST.
apushatayid
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“I wished this thread would have come and gone quickly”
apushatayid- Sorry if this thread bothers you.but, I am using this thread lashame shamayim.Since I live close to 8Th Ave,I see people on Shabbos carrying outside of the Eruv and this bothers me. I am using this thread to try to prevent chillul Shabbos and not to have it increased
DAVID 1999 You yourself quote the Chasam Sofer on page 3 post 16 “The Chasam Sofer (99) states that the reason for eruivn is to save people who will mistakenly carry”.If the Eruv will cause people to be m’chall Shabbos what would the Chsam Sofer have said?
The making of an Eruv should minimize chillul Shabbos among those who in any event would be carrying.The problem is that people who would not carry without an Eruv are now being m’chlal Shabbos,since they are carrying outside of the Eruv.There are no signs indicating where the Eruv ends.The people who made the Eruv are living in a dream world believing that that people will study the Eruv map,and will know how to maneuver on Shabbos and keep themselve within the Eruv..
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David1999
Tumill
“FYI – 51st between 9Th and 8Th ave is part of the Boro Park eruv.52st and 53st bet 9Th and 8Th ave are outside of the Boro Park eruv., and there are NO ERUVS ON THOSE BLOCKS. The same way that you know of those few blocks ,is the same why you know of the back-up eruv NOTHING!!!
David1999 You may be a scholar, but when it comes to the Boro Park eruv you are a big am haaretz.
Ddavid1999
David, you are stuck in 1999-around when the Boro Park eruv was established.Since then Boro Park has expanded, and frum people reside beyond the original eruv lines.They are carrying on Shabbos using a rumored back -up eruv,and are bringing in extra food for kiddish and shalish seudos to Shuls that are in the original Boro Park eruv.Should this be a problem? I called the Boro Park Eruv Society and asked them if there is a back-up eruv they told me that they would rather not give me an answer..
What is it so difficult to understand? On some streets the eruv extendes close to 8Th Ave. If you look at the map, it is clear that on 9Th Ave between 52 and 60Th st the eruv in only on only one side of the street. If one is carrying on the opposite side of the street isn’t it considered they are outside of the Boro Park eruv? I’ve noticed people carrying on the other side of the eruv – When asked “Is one allowed to carry here?” The answer I got was “There is a backup Eruv”. and according to david1999 there are many backup eruvs. If you ask any of the people that carry,” which streets are included in the backup eruv?” NO ONE KNOWS. My question is, How far can you carry in a eruv if you have no idea where the boundries are? I have asked people that use the Boro Park eruv “If a back up eruv ,with lechies and kores exist?” They said NO!. There isn’t any backup eruv. Now think for a moment .The Boro Park eruv is very large ,one would have to check that eruv EVERY erev Shabbos to make sure it is kosher. Isnt is safe to say that the backup eruvs are checked as well? (According to david 1999 there are many backup eruvs) which seems to be impossible . I spoke to some of the people who are in charge of the eruv , they mentioned that they are aware of people carrying outside the eruv and they dont find it a problem. Therefore they must be relying on something else, not a backup eruv . Is it mechetzos ?what else can they be using?
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david1999
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When I called the Boro Park Eruv People they told me to look on the map. Isn’t THE tzuras hapesach and the eruv the same thing?Why where the eruv boundaries in Europe not divulged?
david1999
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david1999
“where does it say that those making use of an eruv need to know where the eruv is situated? The only important issue for people to know is until where they can carry, but they do not need to know where the actual tzuras hapesach is located.”
That statement does not make sense to me at all.Does anyone out there agree with david1999?
david1999
“The local people in that area know which blocks they can carry on. There are many layers to the back-up eruvin. No one allows people to rely on the mechitzos for a heter”
The mechitzos only cover three sides so how can anyone allow people to rely on them.”
I have ask many people who carry outside of the main Boro Park eruv, where is the the backup eruv? They have no idea where the back up eruv is . As far as layers in the eruv,we are talking eruvs not cake. Did you call the Eruv Society of Boro Park yet?
david1999
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” No one uses the mechitzos to carry in Brooklyn. You are totally confused and in any case are not interested in the emes”
I know people who live on 9Th ave outside of the Boro Park eruv.These people and many others , carry on Shabbos believing that there is a backup eruv.However there is no backup eruv with lechies and kores .The people who made the eruv justify themselves by letting the people rely on the mechitzos.I called the big machers who made the evev ,they will not tell anybody what they are using for the backup ,they are keeping it a secret.This is my conclusion and I believe this to be emes. If anybody doubts what I am saying then call the Eruv Society of Boro Park and find out for yourself.
david1999
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“For Boro Park there is no need to included Brighton Beach in the mechitzos”
david1999
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shmooze1 –
What makes Brooklyn entirely enclosed with man made mechitzos?
Where are the man made mechitzos in Coney Island and Brighton Beach?
popa_bar_abba
“Besides, the shochtim don’t usually live in Brooklyn. They live in places like Iowa.”
Yes, but when he comes back home to Brooklyn he carries in the eruv.
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tumill
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popa_bar_abba
“I don’t know the halachos for all of those.
Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5″
See the hakdama(introduction) to the Mishnah BERURAH hilchos Shabbos “if he peforms shechitah ,even if another Jew stands beside him supervising that the shechitah be done according to law,his shechitah nevertheless renders the animal a full-fledged neveylah.The reason is that he is not considered to be “one who has been commanded in the mitzvah of slaughtering etc.
I don’t know if this applies today, because now days we usually don’t know who the Shochet is and they have their Rabonim who are telling them that it is OK to carry.
tumill
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popa_bar_abba
“I don’t know the halachos for all of those.
Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5″
See the hakdama(intruction) to the Mishnah BERURAH hilchos S
popa_bar_abba
“I don’t know the halachos for all of those.
Seems like shechita is a problem. YD 2:5″
david1999
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tumill –
Are you for real I can not believe you wrote that!
FYI – 51st between 9Th and 8Th ave is part of the Boro Park eruv.
52st and 53st bet 9Th and 8Th ave are outside of the Boro Park eruv., and there are NO ERUVS ON THOSE BLOCKS. The same way that you know of those few blocks ,is the same why you know of the back-up eruv NOTHING!!!
david1999
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tumller –
“If I see a frum looking person smoking on Shabbos it will bother me.If I see a frum looking person carrying outside of the eruv it also bothers me. Why would there be a need to make local eruvin on certain blocks? If their block is in the Boro Park eruv shouldn’t their block be also included?”
Could you please elaborate the reason that you don’t believe me.
What are some of the blocks in Boro Park that have their own eruv?
david1999
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“I wonder if there is anything else that bothers you as much as eruvin. You may not be part of the organized anti-eruv group but you are a tumeler. I reiterate there are local eruvin on certain blocks. There most definitely are back-up eruvin. As a matter of fact there is more than one back-up.”
If I see a frum looking person smoking on Shabbos it will bother me.If I see a frum looking person carrying outside of the eruv it also bothers me. Why would there be a need to make local eruvin on certain blocks? If their block is in the Boro Park eruv shouldn’t their block be also included?
david1999
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tumill –
“WHERE ARE SOME OF THE BACK-UP ERUVIN? I COULDN’T FIND ONE!”
“I am sure if I showed you a tzuras hapesach you would not know bein yemino lsmolo. Please, you are not interested that there be an eruv altogether. This is typical of the anti-eruv group to seek all means to negate eruvin. In any case, the back-up eruvin were established for two reasons: 1) In case the eruv is ripped on Shabbos. 2) That people like you should not be able to get their hands on it. Hence this eruv is not publicized. Stay out of things you know nothing about. “
I am not from the anti eruv-group.I personally, do not use the eruv.My problem is seeing people carrying outside of the eruv..
Many people who use the eruv heard of a back-up and other people who use the eruv, told me they know where the eruv is, and that there is no back up eruv.I know people who carry from outside of the eruv and bring in extra food to a kiddish I would like to know, if the people who hold for the eruv are they allowed to eat of that food.
yes or no
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david 1999Member
” Moreover, the Boro Park eruv has fewer such problems than all, since there are many back-up eruvin
WHERE ARE SOME OF THE BACK-UP ERUVIN? I COULDN’T FIND ONE!
Can you tell us where one or two of the back-up eruvs are?
Then I will know that you live in Brooklyn.
david 1999Member
” Moreover, the Boro Park eruv has fewer such problems than all, since there are many back-up eruvin
WHERE ARE SOME OF THE BACK-UP ERUVIN? I COULDN’T FIND ONE!
I went to boroparkeruv.org and printed out the map.I followed the map and when I reached Greenwood Cemetery it seemed to me to be very interesting.the gate of the cemetery on FT hAMILTON PKY between 37Th ST and McDonald AVE is used for the eruv.we have to thank those dead goyim and their tzalims to permit the Frum Yiden in Boro Park to carry on Shabos.
Reb Yontel the male yenta
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“If you don’t believe that that the Rabbonim behind it are credible & competent ???? ????? & the Askanim behind it are credible ???? ??? than DON’T USE IT
If the Rabbonim behind it are credible & competent ???? ?????
then they are top of day to day operations”
They will tell you if you want details go to the people who put up the eruv .
Check it out for yourself, if I am not telling you the emmes .
Reb Yontel the male yenta
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“If there is an Eruv, which means that the Rabbonim behind it are credible & competent ???? ????? & the Askanim behind it are credible ???? ??? than there is a Backup Eruv”
I have told the people who are involved in the every day matter of the Boro Park eruv that people are carrying outside of the eruv.They replied that this is not our problem :they have to check out the map and it is their responsibility and not ours. I believe that the Rabonim that first signed that you can make an eruv in Boro Park, only signed for the concept of permitting an eruv in Boro Park , not the exact whereabouts of the eruv. The people who then began putting up the eruv ran into many problems, such as anti eruv people ripping down the eruv., They also found out that the Chinese feel it is bad luck for them to have a string connecting two houses . Therefore, the people who were making the eruv had to make a pole outside of the school yard on 49 st between 8Th and 9Th ave and attach the eruv from the pole to a frum house. It was also necessary to make an eruv just covering half of 9th ave because mainly Chinese people live between 8th & 9th Aves.As far as a backup eruv, there aren’t any that are constructed from lechis and korahs(strings)B’deeved, maybe they are using something else, like the water? who knows!
Get to the point! is there a Boro Park backup- evev or not, or is it just one big bubba meisa?
david1999
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Is there a Back-up eruv in Boro Park that one can use b’deeved?
It seems to me the original question was is there a Boro Park backup eruv or not,and if not, can people carry outside of the eruv which they are now doing.