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lesschums: The definition is Madam Milian.
Homeowner: The entire story is a lie. It was no scheme, there was nothing pulled over the eyes by the couple – wool was pulled by the TV arbiter on the audience.
eclipse: You made a typo. You put an “m” instead of an “n” in your second name.
AC: You are completely wrong.
A real kiddush Hashem is when you make a Kiddush Hashem amongst Yidden — far far bigger and better than when done in front on goyim. See the Seforim.
popa: The OP has Gedolim (i.e, Satmar Rebbe, Chacham Ovadia Yosef, et al) to rely on to make his statement.
Rambam does also mention that a city (a 120 person city) has to have 10 batlanim, i.e. people who do nothing but sit in the beis medrash and learn all day.
Since even according to Rambam we need 10 FULL TIME learning-only Jews per 120 Jews, we today still have a long way to go to reach this ratio. We have far less full time Torah learners per 120 people. Especially considering most Jews aren’t even religious, let along learners. (And I doubt we have even close to 10 to 120 counting only religious Jews.)
popa: There is also “the spirit of the law”. Where does specifically it say 6 inch high-heeled red shoes are not okay?
Wolf – you misunderstood brisker. He meant giving a child two names, with one of them being after so-and-so. brisker is saying that is not really naming the child after the so-and-so.
mdd
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And stam azoy, heintike Chassidim are not known for their Ahavas Yisroel and Dun chaveiro le’kaf ze’chus.
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Aside from that being the polar opposite of the truth as they have an abundance of Ahavas Yisroel and Dun chaveiro le’kaf ze’chus far more than typical in the frum communities, it is obvious you don’t have much Ahavas Yisroel and Dun chaveiro le’kaf ze’chus.
The moment it was mentioned the post did a hit-job, I immediately knew it would be their in house anti-semite self-hating “Reuven” Blau – who’s first job is to prove himself a Jew-hater to keep his job. His only job is to lie about Orthodoxy, as practically all his articles do.
eclipse: Should all posters be required to include their age in their bio, so the mods can know who to give more weight to? And should the mods first do an age verification check, to insure no one overstates their true age?
Sac: If you are focusing on what the are supposed to do, rather than this day and age, education is not on the list.
willi – okay. I thought I saw an old post of yours saying you were single.
In defense of aries and oomis, I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with distinguishing the Am Hanivchar with a pruste shiksa.
Sac: I asked you what women are supposed to do; not what they aren’t supposed to do.
Rabbi Hoffman spoke to the couple, and the husband had to cajole and talk his wife into going on the show, since she didn’t want to and was very against it. And there was no shtik by anyone on the show, except by Mrs. Milian.
So bh18’s comment makes a lot of sense and puts more pieces together. Thank you bh18 for posting.
A23: Well said.
Sac: You said the men-hunters “are supposed to want to find a wife, provide for her and protect her.” What are the woman-gatherers supposed to do?
Sac: Huh? Gatherers?
Girls don’t pay for the wedding. Considering what the boy pays, it usually works out at about half and half.
Why work when you can learn Torah all day and its so much easier? You get all the ruchniyus PLUS the gashmius.
Men are supposed to be the hunters. You are supposed to want to find a wife, provide for her and protect her.
Okay. And what are woman supposed to be?
This is a farce. We could have Rav Elyashev, Rav Shteinman, and Rav Kanievsky sit as a Beis Din and acquit this Frum Yiddisha couple, followed by a bas kol from the RBS”O himself confirming the Beis Din’s acquittal…
and there will still be the same cabal of people above with “unanswered questions” condemning them nonetheless. Indeed, these same people are prone to immediately condemn anyone with a yarmulka and sheitel… and save their “benefit of the doubt” reservations for those that discarded Yiddishkeit for tatoos on their arms or better yet they never observed a Jewish law in their life.
Are you accusing that Rabbi Hoffman’s version is not even possible (let alone highly likely)? Since you must admit Rabbi Hoffman – at the very minimum has a plausible explanation (even putting aside admitting he is correct), you can’t accuse the frum couple!
“And until such time as the WHOLE TRUTH is provided, the frum couple is still a walking Chillul Hashem and the judge’s verdict is totally valid.”
You have it backwards.
It is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, not guilty until proven innocent.
At the very minimum you must admit, the frum couple’s guilt is not proven – to say the least.
Every single poster who publicly condemned on the internet these frum innocent yidden is personally guilty of character assassination and a whole slew of m’doraysa and m’drabbonim’s mentioned in the Sefer Chofetz Chaim that is extremely difficult to ever atone for.
Even Yom Kippur won’t fix this for you.
“willi
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Brooklyn Yenta well I’m familiar and not innocent and I don’t understand why you are bashing divorcees..”
What do you mean not innocent/personal experience??
The silence is deafening. So quick to condemn, yet so long to even apologize.
We should be seeing at least 25 apologies and mechila’s, counting this thread alone.
Now all the condemners, you may start publicly apologizing here, where you bad-mouthed a Frum couple, and then you can continue by asking personal mechila from them.
Thank You Rabbi Hoffman!! And thank you zeecee for posting that!!
I rest my case!!
We burn the Lulav too, with the chometz.
The show would have edited out any comments the couple made that was in violation of their agreement of what they were allowed and not allowed to say. So not only would they lose their appearance fee, they would never have gotten out the truth. In fact, for all we know they very well may have protested – and we didn’t see it due to the producers editing! This is Hollywood, camera, action, not unedited facts and justice.
Bezalel – pedophilia is assur min haTorah involving multiple issurei d’oraysa. Nevertheless, despite modern sensibilities, the Torah allowing a 12 year old to get married is not in any way shape of form anything remotely resembling pedophilia.
The show producers force them to sign an agreement before the show limiting what they can and cannot say in the interview afterwards, at risk of losing their appearance fee to the show if they violate that agreement. So they cannot criticize or too strongly dispute the “judges” decision – not during the proceedings nor in the interview afterwards.
Erev Pesach chometz fire is our minhug.
Not too far off, but I wouldn’t go so far as to compare Milian to Bonnie & Clyde. She may be bad, but Milian in no killer.
Nice googling, but what’s any of that have to do with kashrus?
AZ:
So why aren’t you a shadchan?
charlie brown: just hope you don’t end up with a “high maintenance” product once you grow up! 😉
AZ, why assume cynicism where none exists? Girls 17 through 20 need to get married too.
(I assume your group of “girls 25-20” was a typo meaning 25-30)
girls 31-40 date#2-$200/ date #4-$600
girls 41+ date#2-$400/ date #4-$800
“Folks: Why are we debating the “ne’manus” of Judge Millian any more than we are debating the ne’manus of another famous WB character
Bugs Bunny?”
Well said, apushutayid.
WolfishMusings, The problem is that there are people who wear a yarlmulka, that have a knee-jerk reaction assuming when someone else with a yarmulka is in trouble or in conflict, that the yarmulka person is wrong. Where has anyone here said Milian is not believed because she isn’t Jewish? I have yet to see such a post. That is an assumption on your part of other posters motives. I wonder why you make that assumption. There is also good reason to assume Milian is not to be believed. And the reason, outlined previously, is not becuase she is a gentile.
cherry: Your chezkas kashrus assumptions are misplaced. You make money for lying on TV, not lose it.
girls 17-20 date #2-$50/date #4 $100
eclipse: Kol Isha.
smile66,
I agree with you 100%.
apushatayid: Thank you!
I am literally sick to the stomach reading these armchair analysts above ripping their fellow Jew up to the core with tipshish analyization if she really owns 1 wig, 2 wigs, or her facial expressions in their pathetic attempts to find her guilty. She is as innocent as anyone, and all you analysts will be having to give din v’cheshbon for your condemnations.
Remember on Yom Kippur if you want G-d to judge you like you’ve judged her.
Agree with eclipse. It reflects the slide to the left of the previous generations, that we are now recovering from (and moving back to the right B”H).