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Also, judging schools by their students current actions as in “YCT alumnis do this” is dangerous. I am sure many of our yeshivas have students who are now in jail. Does that mean our yeshivas are evil?

(In my case, yes, it is evil and is like an ir hanidachas and should be destroyed.)

jfem, cutting a beard with a scissor might be an issue depending on how you scissor. You might want to CYLOR to find out.

“The Chareidim define themselves as those who listen to their Gedolie Hador and that is true across the board.”

Yet you are posting on YWN.

PBA, that post was never approved so how do you know what I posted?

If you cross the border of Philly, you are in Montgomery County. So you can open carry there. Thati s also where the bulk of the Jewish community lives, either in Bala Cynwyd or Merion Station.

The income tax is also lower since you don’t pay Philly income tax,.

There’s open carry without a license and there’s NO local preemption. You do need a CCW to carry in Philly or in a vehicle.

However, the police do keep a record of gun sales which was found legal since it’s not a “registry.”

As for a VA, there’s a VA in Philly so you can move to the “Philly” Jewish area, whether it’s in Philly proper or right over the border, which will be more friendly for your open carry.

What about the language used that caused the criticism?

Not relevant, unless you think that it justifies the reaction. It ought to be clear and obvious that it does not.

PBA, yet the same doesn’t apply when it’s the other way around. Why is that? Why do charedim (and not just the rabbanim, but even laypeople) get a free pass on vitriol?

Tzaddiq, name me one kid that died during vaccine trials.

And you’re wrong. I’ve asked doctors about reactions to vaccines and I was told what to expect.

Just because your kids are healthy now doesn’t mean anything. All it means is that they most likely never had contact with a serious disease. What happens if while walking down the street someone with a disease coughs and while grabbing for a tissue, touches your kids coat. Your kid tugs on his coat to keep warm and then promptly picks his nose, as kids do.

Your kid’s body now has that little disease crawling through it.

If he’s vaccinated, the body will know how to respond and will promptly sound the alarm.

If he’s not vaccinated, the body will not know what to do and will be overwhelmed by the growing force of the disease. Depending on the disease, the growing force may be fatal.

Now, if your kid goes get a vaccine, he may get a headache, he may get flulike symptons, he may get a rash, might even get bruising, and yes, .000002% chance get real sick.

Bottom line is that to not vaccinate is idiotic and more importantly it is dangerous for others. You want to be all foo-foo, eat your vegan foods while wearing Birkenstocks, go right ahead. But once your actions have reactions with others, that’s where it has to stop.

If you want modern folk to respect your leaders, you might want to show respect for your leaders as well.

Of course we have the right to force you to vaccinate, just like we have the right to force you to stop at a red light.

Tzaddiq, I can post in CAPS too if I want, it doesn’t make anything more true. You state that the risks and statistical studies show otherwise. Name one study that was accepted in a peer reviewed journal that shows that vaccinating is a higher risk than the disease.

And I’m not sure why you mention autism, that has been shown to be a false claim.

Please allow this link, (it’s from the Agudah’s website about vaccines in halacha):

http://www.chayimaruchim.com/pdf/Vaccination%20in%20halacha.pdf

tzaddiq,

The reason why we are intolerant of those opinions is that they are baseless. I am not an expert in vaccinations, so I trust the recognized experts in the field. I also have plenty of reasons to trust them being that I survived childhood without any major diseases thanks to the vaccines they developed. On the other side of the fence are those who are not experts but they “feel” that vaccines are bad for you.

NOBODY is saying that vaccines have zero risk. Of course it has a risk. But the risk of not getting vaccinated is far greater than the risk of a reaction to a vaccine.

I was with a little kid in the pediatric unit and then the PICU because of rotovirus, so please don’t tell me that vaccines are bad.

Even when we all get red/sore/irritable after the MMR, that is certainly better than being brain damaged due to your mother having the measles while she was pregnant. And the reason why they are/can be rodfim is because that is how vaccinations work, it is never 100% effective, but if greater than X% of the community is vaccinated then it’s mostly effective. By those parents who choose to not vaccinate, they are lowering the herd immunity and causing other children to be susceptible to disease.

If you don’t want to get vaccinate, then move to Alaska. The state will pay you per kid, due to oil dividends, and you can setup a nice community.

You want to show empirical proof about vaccines?

Take a bunch of these moron families, put them on an isolated island and release one measles infected kid as well.

If you really want, you can do the same with vaccinated kids on a different island.

Two weeks later see how many kids on each island contracted the measles.

I like YW-Mod75’s “bare unbridled bizui talmidei chachamim.”

Saying “This is the Torah you teach?” is considered a bizui.

Calling someone evil? Nah, that’s OK.

You are mistranslating the letter, and ignoring parts. Which is not intellectually honest of you, considering it is translated above.

And the comparison is not relevant. This is outrageous even if he was wrong.

And calling someone evil is OK?

People who decide to vote for someone merely because of their stance on gay marriage is throwing out the baby with the bath water. Many states have legalized gay marriage but that doesn’t mean they are coming into your home and grabbing your kids and making them marry.

You need to see the whole picture. If someone is for gay marriage, but he is also in favor of tough penalties on crime, lower taxes, free candy for all, isn’t that better than someone who is against gay marriage but will make it illegal to sell chocolate? Just because Yehuda Levin has a big mouth, doesn’t make him right.

If you’re talking about a famous yeshivah, that yeshiva got smacked a few years ago when it took another yeshiva to beis din. That beis din asked sarcastically that “now you suddenly see the benefit of a beis din?”

He can say that they still have no jurisdiction. It’s not a city Beis Din, it’s not a beis din that the people of the city decided to be the beis din for that city.

They can issues hazmanos all they want but he can say let’s go to a different beis din. Most batei din will allow that and only issue a seiruv if the person did not respond at all. I don’t know what happened in this case, if the person totally ignored the hazmanah or just said he wants to go to a different beis din.

nfgo3, what does the Shemah prove, and how?

It’s extremely dangerous to try to prove anything because you then open yourself up to having your proof discredited.

If you believe as a matter of faith, then it’s irrelevant about proofs being shown as extremely flimsy.

BTW, regarding hunting, I forgot who it was that said that it’s actually permitted, but it’s not “jewish” to do.

In true inspiration, Benjamin Franklin’s work has been incorporated into mussar sefarim. when he wrote his ideas, he even stated that other religions should incorporate them to fit their needs.

Except the Sharansky compromise is mixed davening. Surely you won’t advocate mixed davening at the Kotel?

oomis,

It’s very dangerous to say that women should not do optional stuff before they finish doing required stuff.

Firstly, who are we to determine what they should or shouldn’t do?

Secondly, do you shake lulav and esrog? Eat in a sukkah? Listen to Shofar?

Why? Do you do everything you’re supposed to do?

And I’m not a big fan of WOW, I think most feminists are wackadoodles, but if this brings them closer to Hashem, then I really don’t see the big deal of having them daven in the women’s section. Politically as well, it does not make sense to fight this. It’s a losing battle and is just causing more animosity, which will cause more people to actually not give in to charedi demands. It’s the classic case of biting your nose to spite your face.