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December 3, 2018 12:52 am at 12:52 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1635603truthishiddenParticipant
Vaccinator: So while monkey kidney cells might be on the ingredients list of a vaccine because they were used to make the vaccine, they arenβt actually in the final vaccine product.
That doesn’t make much sense, if it wouldn’t be in the vaccine it wouldn’t be on the ingredient list.
December 3, 2018 12:52 am at 12:52 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1635602truthishiddenParticipantYserbius123: Can you repost it then?
Sorry, too time consuming, maybe the mods can find those posts? If you have any specific questions I’ll be happy to answer.Yserbius123: various claims on the dangers of vaccines that donβt really reflect reality,
I brought clear studies indicating the reality, if you have any issue with it, please lets discuss.December 2, 2018 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1635562truthishiddenParticipantYserbius123
I’ve answered, but my posts must’ve gotten losttruthishiddenParticipantThe reason herd immunity can’t happen in a vaccinated (artificial immune) population
1. Vaccines are not 100% effective (sometimes as low as 50%)
2. Vaccines create temporal (short-term) antibodies ONLY, most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given.
3. Dr. Merrill Chase , did clear-cut research on this issue back in the 1950s. His results are clear: antibody levels donβt determine immunity.In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.
truthishiddenParticipantI don’t need, nor want your herd immunity, so if your vaccinating to protect me, please stop!
December 2, 2018 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1635274truthishiddenParticipantFurther information on formaldehyde (also found in flu vaccines given to pregnant women)
“adverse reproductive and developmental effects, in human populations…
Further assessment of this association by meta-analysis revealed an increased risk of spontaneous abortion…
suggested positive associations between formaldehyde exposure and reproductive toxicity, mostly in males.
(Mutat Res. 2011 Nov; 728(3): 118β138)December 2, 2018 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1635278truthishiddenParticipantAnd just make sure you’re OK with injecting monkey kidney cells too, an ingredient found in the Polio and DTaP vaccines.
December 2, 2018 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1635264truthishiddenParticipantBefore vaccinating make sure you’re fine with injecting formaldehyde into your children. This is an ingredient found in most vaccines and a known carcinogen to humans.
(International Agency for Research on Cancer June 15, 2004)December 1, 2018 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1634787truthishiddenParticipant2scents: Does this mean that being exposed once to a preservative increases the risk, not at all.
As stated in my post, a NUMBER if vaccines contain this emulsifier, including the flu vaccine, which is given yearly. Sorry this is not “exposed once.”
I am waiting for an apology from the CDC and BigPharma for allowing these substances to be injected into tiny babies, a few hours old.November 30, 2018 8:01 am at 8:01 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1633665truthishiddenParticipantScience Lab Material Data Sheet re: Polysorbate 80, Section 3 of this report lists the potential chronic health effects. Carcinogenic, mutagenic, and teratogenic effects as well as the developmental toxicity are all βunavailable.β
Section 11 states May cause adverse reproductive effects based on animal test data. No human data found. May cause cancer based on animal
test data. No human data found. May affect genetic material (mutagenic)And we’re relying on this that our vaccines are safe?
November 30, 2018 8:00 am at 8:00 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1633662truthishiddenParticipantThe below study found that a diet including regular consumption of emulsifiers experienced exacerbated tumor development and chronic low-level inflammation. This chronic inflammation was also associated with inflammatory bowel diseases like Crohnβs and is observed in colorectal cancers.
American Association for Cancer Research
DOI: 10.1158/0008-5472.CAN-16-1359Emulsifiers, like polysorbate 80 are in a number of vaccines.
November 30, 2018 2:30 am at 2:30 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1633645truthishiddenParticipantIn addition, when doing a vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study, please include rates comparing:
Mental illness
infertilityNovember 30, 2018 1:22 am at 1:22 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1633596truthishiddenParticipantTo Doing my best
Please explain how they came to the conclusion that autism causes brain swelling and not the other way around?
As I see it people with autism have brain swelling, how can they tell which came first?November 29, 2018 6:10 am at 6:10 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1632810truthishiddenParticipantDoing my best: Anti-vaxxers,
Pls answer this. What exactly needs to be proven to you in order for you to agree?Answer:
Give me a study comparing vaccinated vs. un-vaccinated children comparing, for starters rates of:
SIDS
Cancer
Autism
Epilepsy
Learning disabilities
Diabetes Type 1 and 2
Rates of death and disabilities from the illnesses preventable by vaccines.truthishiddenParticipantto OurTorah:
Have you seen graphs showing rates of death from measles from the years before vaccines and following?
The death rate had gone down significantly before the vaccines were introduced.
Now that we have the measles going around we can check the accuracy of the CDC’s estimations.
In this season of measles we had at least 2,000 cases of reported measles. that should give us 2-4 deaths according to the CDC.
Well we lost one baby, and its unclear if it was really the measles, as the baby had an underlying condition. (but of course the media won’t bring that information; we need to scare everybody into getting the vaccine).
Smells fishy to me.November 29, 2018 12:26 am at 12:26 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1632735truthishiddenParticipantPutting people down is not helpful in this debate.
November 28, 2018 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1632501truthishiddenParticipantThank you doomsday for bringing this important information.
truthishiddenParticipantto Joseph:
Absolutely YES!November 28, 2018 7:16 am at 7:16 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1632105truthishiddenParticipantTo Doing my best
So you admit that the CDC was lying it can’t be both 1 in 7777 and 1 in 1000.
So all the other times we do trust the CDC?November 25, 2018 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1630195truthishiddenParticipantWakefield’s study is far from the only reason people choose not to vaccinate.
November 22, 2018 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1629346truthishiddenParticipant2scents,
A. Children under 12 months are generally not immune.
According to the way Hashem designed the world children under 12 mo. would have the mother’s immunity,
but since the mother’s are only artificially immune, bec they’re vaccinated, the babies are now vulnerable.B. Children that only received one MMR shot are not fully immune.
Don’t blame the people that choose not to use the product that the product is not effective.C. Immuno compromised people, do not have immunity.
People that are immuno compromised are generally suffering from a vaccine injury.November 22, 2018 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1629177truthishiddenParticipant2scents
Thank you, you have now proven that the vaccines are effective and we can now stop harassing those that choose not to vaccinate.November 22, 2018 6:50 am at 6:50 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1628823truthishiddenParticipant2scents: Just because you call it fake news, doesn’t make it so
November 22, 2018 6:50 am at 6:50 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1628822truthishiddenParticipant3. Outbreak of measles among persons with prior evidence of immunity, New York City, 2011. Report of measles transmission from a twice-vaccinated individual with documented secondary vaccine failure.
Rosen JB, et al. Clin Infect Dis. 2014November 22, 2018 6:48 am at 6:48 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1628820truthishiddenParticipantSome information to debunk the herd immunity myth:
1. Transmission of measles among a highly vaccinated school population–Anchorage, Alaska, 1998.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 1999.2. An outbreak of measles occurred in a municipal school system which had reported 98% of students immunized against measles.
Hull HF, et al. Pediatrics. 1985.November 21, 2018 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1628748truthishiddenParticipantMindful: There is not much to do to reverse effects of vaccines.
Depending on the severity of symptoms, there is a lot people can do to heal from vaccines. Chelation (heavy metal detox) is one of them.
Although it’s not easy , I have heard of healing from vaccines.November 21, 2018 7:20 am at 7:20 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627956truthishiddenParticipantTorch concluded that DPT βmay be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits.
Fine and Chen reported that babies died at a rate nearly eight times greater than normal within 3 days after getting a DPT vaccination.
In 1992, to address the unacceptable SIDS rate, the American Academy of Pediatrics initiated a βBack to Sleepβ campaign, convincing parents to place their infants supine, rather than prone, during sleep.
From 1992 to 2001, the postneonatal SIDS rate dropped by an average annual rate of 8.6%. However, other causes of sudden unexpected infant death (SUID) increased.
For example, the postneonatal mortality rate from βsuffocation in bedβ (ICD-9 code E913.0) increased during this same period at an average annual rate of 11.2%.
(In Australia, Mitchell et al. observed that when the SIDS rate decreased, deaths attributed to asphyxia increased. Overpeck et al. and others, reported similar observations.)
This results in a non-significant decline in SIDS
Human & Experimental Toxicology, 2011November 21, 2018 7:18 am at 7:18 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627950truthishiddenParticipantHealth: I stand corrected. VAERS is just a reporting system.
November 21, 2018 2:52 am at 2:52 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627924truthishiddenParticipantThe following is taken from a review of VAERS:
We searched VAERS for US reports of death after any vaccination from 1 July 1997 through 31 December 2013. Available medical records, autopsy reports, and death certificates were reviewed to identify cause of death.
VAERS received 2149 death reports.
Most common causes of death among 1244 child reports with available death certificates/autopsy reports included sudden infant death syndrome (n = 544 [44%]), asphyxia (n = 74 [6.0%]), septicemia (n = 61 [4.9%]), and pneumonia (n = 57 [4.6%]).November 20, 2018 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627738truthishiddenParticipantThe vaccination coverage among cases was at least 84.5%. Vaccination coverage for the total population was 99.0%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak. Canadian Journal of Public Health. 1991
November 20, 2018 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627735truthishiddenParticipantChildren of mothers vaccinated against measles and, possibly, rubella have lower concentrations of maternal antibodies and lose protection by maternal antibodies at an earlier age than children of mothers in communities that oppose vaccination. This increases the risk of disease transmission in highly vaccinated populations. Oxford Journals Medicine & Health The Journal of Infectious Diseases, 2013
It seems like it the vaccinated population is to blame for transmitting the disease.
November 20, 2018 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627724truthishiddenParticipantYserbius123: I think you’re making a lot of assumptions that may be wrong, please clarify if I didn’t understand.
Unfortunately I’ve come to believe (and e/o is welcome to their own opinion of who they would like to believe) that the CDC has falsified information in their favor.Health: I should’ve been more clear. At the time of death, the medical professionals probably categorized the death as SIDS (I’m making assumptions based on facts I’ve read/heard). However, the parents would later have to prove to VAERS that it was the vaccine that caused the death.
November 20, 2018 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1627574truthishiddenParticipantYserbius123: I think you’re making a lot of assumptions that may be wrong, please clarify if I didn’t understand.
Unfortunately I’ve come to believe (and e/o is welcome to their own opinion of who they would like to believe) that the CDC has falsified information in their favor.Health: I should’ve been more clear. At the time of death, the medical professionals probably categorized the death as SIDS (I’m making assumptions based on facts I’ve read/heard). However, the parents would later have to prove to VAERS that it was the vaccine that caused the death.
November 20, 2018 11:04 am at 11:04 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1626843truthishiddenParticipantRY: Just as we used to do with the chicken pox. Ask anyone from the previous generation, that’s what they used to do when they actually knew what the measles was and they were not indoctrinated with fear from the media and medical corporation.
November 20, 2018 10:57 am at 10:57 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1626835truthishiddenParticipantHealth: probably SIDS, it was probably only confirmed as a death from a vaccine long after the death certificate was done.
November 20, 2018 10:18 am at 10:18 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1626754truthishiddenParticipantStatistic of deaths from MMR/MMRV:
In the U.S. there were 5,078 adverse reactions reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after MMR or MMRV vaccination during the years 2011 and 2012. This included 20 deaths.
November 20, 2018 10:11 am at 10:11 am in reply to: Studies on vaccines you might have missed.π¨βπ¬ππ« #1626738truthishiddenParticipantI’m glad to have an open, respectful discussion.
Thank you.Study #2
Benefits of measles:
Alexander et al found that infection with measles during childhood is significantly protective — it cuts the risk in half — against developing Hodgkin’s disease (OR = 0.53) [Br J Cancer 2000; 82(5): 1117-21].November 19, 2018 12:44 am at 12:44 am in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1625840truthishiddenParticipantDY
I have and have come to the conclusion that the risks of vaccines far outweigh the benefits.
But I am open to change my mind if someone reliably proves the opposite.November 18, 2018 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm in reply to: Did Dell Bigtree change your perspective about anti vaxxers? #1625602truthishiddenParticipantJoseph
Research the ingredients (vaccine ing. found on the CDC website) and their impact.truthishiddenParticipantAnti vaxxers have this βbeliefβ that.
a. Measles is beneficial. – yes there are benefits to getting the measles
b. vaccines do not really help. – this is not what the “anti-vaxxers” believe
c. Components in the vaccines are dangerous. – true
d. Vaccines cause autism. – true
e. The entire vaccine business is a multi trillion dollar business, the entire world aside from them are involved and are being paid large sums to be part of the conspiracy. – partly true π
f. Measles is not dangerous. – not more dangerous that vaccines are.truthishiddenParticipant“this should be scientific fact finding discussion”
Exactly and not any studies funded by anyone with ulterior motives, not the pharmaceutical/medical and not the alternative.
The studies speak for themselves.truthishiddenParticipantMany people with immune deficiencies are due to vaccine injury.
truthishiddenParticipantMeno and RebYidd
Autism is not the only problem with vaccinations.
Maybe vaccines saved many lives, but did it kill as many or more?
That’s not something the medical-funded studies will reveal.November 14, 2018 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm in reply to: Why should we not harrass the anti vaxers #1623465truthishiddenParticipantWhitecar: “Then why are Rabbonim not giving heterim and if there are Rabbonim that are, who are they?”
Actually there is a choshuva rav that paskened if a parent knows the dangers of vaccines it is assur for them to vaccinate. (I may be slightly misquoting, but that’s the general idea). I didn’t ask the Rav if I can quote him, so I don’t feel comfortable giving a name.truthishiddenParticipantDY: The drug companies would actually make a lot more money treating the diseases than providing the vaccinations.
Actually keeping people healthy is not lucrative.
Vaccinations keep people coming back for medical treatment and pharmaceuticals.November 14, 2018 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm in reply to: Why should we not harrass the anti vaxers #1623389truthishiddenParticipantMost anti-vaxers are parents of children who were harmed by vaccines. I bless you all that you should continue to be blissfully unaware of the dangers of vaccines and may it not by your child as the next casualty, chalila.
November 14, 2018 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm in reply to: Why should we not harrass the anti vaxers #1623424truthishiddenParticipantMost anti vaxers are parent of children who were harmed by vaccines. I wish you never to know their pain and may your child not be the next vaccine casualty, chalila.
truthishiddenParticipantHerd immunity is a theory that was never proven.
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