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Yserbius I never suggested flu kills as covid does. You totally missed the point (on purpose). My point is, WHERE is the line drawn? What if the flu killed 300 a day? Or 500 a day? Who draws the line?
Huju, pls do provide a list.
Bravo commensachel, you Dems might wanna sit this one out…
Yserbius
“Will putting a small piece of fabric over your mouth and nose affect your life in any meaningful way in the same manner that not driving will? ”
First of all this does not address my point on the flu, and secondly, what is your point in saying this? Is it that, because ‘not driving ‘ has its own ramifications, it’s therefore ok for everyone to drive even if people will be killed?
Who is to make that decision?
And btw, while physically, mask wearing isn’t a big deal, mentally, it’s not simple. At all. Abnormality in a person’s life can cause huge repercussions.My question always was, what exactly is the line drawn that decides when masks are necessary? If everyone would wear a mask, won’t we save at least one life from the flu? If banning car travel saves at least one life, shouldn’t we ban all car travel? What is the line drawn, and who gets to draw it?
charlie, firstly, all we ever asked for is transparency, the election was never going to be reversed, unless legally, it was supposed to. Secondly, “demonizing the other side” is not exactly exclusive to the subject of the election. It’s with everything. If I think Antifa should be treated as a terrorist org. due to their terrorist-like activity, it must be im a bigoted racist. If I think a wall at the southern border is necessary to protect Americans, it must be im a bigoted racist. If I think that killing a fetus should be banned(unless necessary), it must be im a ” “. If I think that police brutality, while present, is completely overblown, it must be im a ” “. If I think that systemic racism is a hoax, and is not the cause of disparities between different races, it must be im a ” “So on, and so forth, this can be applied to probably every topic….but wow charlie, its your(and the dems in general) fascist attitude towards those who disagree, that makes 2A so so important right now. That guy disagrees? cancel him, take his job, ruin his life…but what makes this so incredibly ironic is that Dems profess to want “unity”.
Jack, nah, you guys believe in *some* science. “Helping others”-like, illegal immigrants? “Fighting the pandemic with empathy” not sure what that means, maybe you’re referring to the useless draconian lockdown measures imposed by democrat governors? “Helping people to vote” besides for the mythical group of people who dont have any access whatsoever, can’t get to the dmv, I think people are doing just fine. Go to a black person, anywhere, ask them if they have the ability to get to the dmv, they’ll look at you like your crazy, probably think you’re a racist for doubting their ability. The only reason Dems are pushing for universal mail ins going forward is that it gives a chance for monkey business to take place.
It’s gaslighting with you guys. Demonizing the other side.That’s why us republicans are often called the “trump minions”😂😂
Jackk, you made the contradiction😂😂
I’m just waiting for you libs to defend Kamala….or do you agree that she should be impeached?AAQ-Your joking, uh, right?
Gh-The idea that the Minnesota Freedom Fund bailed out just peaceful protesters is utterly false. In fact Greg Lewin of the MFF would disagree with you.-from National Review- ““I often don’t even look at a charge when I bail someone out,” Lewin said. “I will see it after I pay the bill because it is not the point. The point is the system we are fighting.”Lewin said the fund has bailed out about a dozen protesters since Floyd’s death sparked protests and unrest in cities around the country. Rioters in Minneapolis set a police precinct ablaze and looted businesses”.-Besides, even without what I just said, do you really think the police were busy arresting the peaceful protesters, when there were thugs actively trying to kill them? Kamala harris supported this. Anyone who was possibly thinking of joining the fray knew Kamala had their back.Jackk-The next time they will be better prepared and will succeed.-as if they were somewhat prepared this time?? This is a a complete partisan joke, the Dems are setting a terrible precedent, and when the pendulum swings, they’ll regret it.
Still don’t know where you get the 5% number. On the henry ford study-“In a large-scale retrospective analysis of 2,541 patients hospitalized between March 10 and May 2, 2020 across the system’s six hospitals, the study found 13% of those treated with hydroxychloroquine alone died compared to 26.4% not treated with hydroxychloroquine. None of the patients had documented serious heart abnormalities; however, patients were monitored for a heart condition routinely pointed to as a reason to avoid the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.”
As regard to zelenko, his community was hit hard early on, and he only treated high risk patients.MA-👆👆👍👍😂😂
I was pretty clear in saying that my, or anyone’s view on HCQ shouldn’t prevent anyone from getting vaccinated. But where do you get that 5% number from? From what I observed through my own unexpert research, it’s around 80-90% decrease in deaths, and hospitalizations.
The point of my “rant” is that for $$$ and political gain, hundreds of thousands have needlessly died. Hashem for some reason willed that to happen.Yserbius
Don’t know and not saying that the the vaccine is dangerous, but the technology backing this vaccine has been in use for the public(meaning the trial participants)for about a year. No one has long term data on the side effects. Again, not saying I wouldn’t take it if my doctor told me to…But you indicate that hydroxychloroquine IS without a doubt more dangerous than the vaccine? You mean the drug that’s always been safe for pregnant women for the better part of a century? That’s ridiculous. As for the efficiency in treating covid, I am not a doctor, but as an observer, is it a coincidence that the doctors using HCQ seemingly fetch far better results than those who dont? Is it a coincidence that all countries using it in widespread fashion have a far lower death rate than those who dont? I understand most people survive covid w/o any treatment, but is it normal for someone to have high fever/cough, and be symptom free hours after taking HCQ? I am no expert, but I do have brains.
I have no idea where you get your info from, I just saw a study (wish I can post link) which analyzed tens of studies, and the conclusion was exactly what Dr Zelenko said. Hydroxychloroquine WILL NOT help to treat hospitalized patients. It WILL help when given early. Out of 11 studies on HCQ give in the outpatient setting, all 11 showed benefit, there were some instances of QT arrhythmia, but no deaths resulting from that. As an observer, I heard about hydroxychloroquine in late March, how it looked good in the “tubes” and how it may help when given early, and with the cocktail. As an observer, I was expecting Dr fauci and the NIH to immediately begin a comprehensive study on HCQ, and in a way that those advocating for its use, said it would work. Pretty reasonable, no? But, nope, the NIH didn’t start a trial until, I believe May. Didn’t include Zinc for some reason. Then, in late May, a tremendous study came out, was published in the NEJM, was given publicity by all mainstream networks, and was supposed to be the nail in the coffin for HCQ. And in many ways it was. Many trials, including the one at the NiH, we’re paused. And then it turned out that the study was a complete fraud. Fake data. It was in fact, retracted. Debunked. Ok, so let’s resume our trials, right? Never happened. Many trials never resumed. Many trials weren’t able to recruit participants, as the word was already out-“HCQ is DEADLY AND INEFFECTIVE! ” So as an observer, I concluded in two main points that:
-Hydroxychloroquine works and is not dangerous when given early, with zinc, in low dose…
-there are people, lots of them, that for some reason((s)$$$$$-politics), never wanted hydroxychloroquine to work, they were hoping it would just go away.
But I’m just an observer. Maybe you experts can explain to me where I went wrong.The real reason Trump was impeached-So that Trump haters will forever be able to cry: Trump is the only president to be impeached twice!! Worst president ever!! evereverever!!!
I mean, does anybody believe for one half a second that more than 15% of the senate will actually judge the case, and decide on the merits, impartially? Politics is a complete game at this point…Well said Ben levi. As I’ve said previously, there is a clear correlation between orthodox Jews holding conservative views, while non-orthodox holding liberal views. Those few liberal orthodox Jews likely started out supporting democrats long before the woke mob arrived.
Lol the democrats have never, and will never be interested in “unity”. What is unity anyways? Now days, anyone who dares voice his opinion that is different than that of the liberal woke mob, is a “hateful bigot”. What a joke, jackk, I think syag is right. Your trolling.
Firstly charlie, while you are correct that trump supported alt-right extremist nehlen, that support had a lot more to do with his spat with Paul Ryan than support for nehlen. What I’m arguing is that the narrative that trump has supported neo-nazis, and white supremacists throughout his presidency.
Charlie, you are GUILTY of utilizing trump’s comments on charlotsville, as fake “proof” trump is a white supremacist.
Secondly, the way you view “cancel culture”, I too, totally support.
But it’s way way beyond that. Take for example, that school in San Francisco, named after Abraham Lincoln. They wanted to rename the school because Lincoln didn’t show strongly enough that black lives mattered to him. People are losing their job for voicing their conservative opinion, for daring to criticize democrat officials. It’s way beyond what you described charlie.
And your comments regarding trump’s policy is ridiculous. 400,000 deaths. Yes, it’s called a virus. Nearly every country struggled with this. Trump destroyed isis, negotiated peace in the middle east, built the wall, built a great pre-covid economy…………..As per Dem Ron wyden, “we need unity, and all it will take is adding dc and puerto rico as states,….”
So let’s see…either frum Jews voted for ttrump because we hate ourselves, and love white supremacists and neo-nazis…OR it’s the party that’s represented, and policy to be implemented with effect on everyday life, which causes *frum-jewish* support for Trump…
Listen charlie, you can repeat the lie that trump supports neo-nazis, but that lie won’t become any truer and you certainly won’t convince me…
Trump is the first one that was willing to stand up against the woke radical left, and fight “cancel culture” which is threatening to take down this country. Tzaddekal or not, morality, while certainly important, isn’t the first most important thing when electing a goyishe politician.Huju-Because I had too much faith in American Democracy(you asked a question, thats my answer…)
YT-Because -Frum- jews in general vote republican, and especially now days with the radical left and their Woke, Socialist agenda holding a strong position within the democrat party, electing Biden gives them a scary mighty voice in the government.
Charlie, can you explain why most Frum jews voted for Trump, while most jews overall, for Biden? Can anyone? While I’m sure that you on YWNCR are fine, upstanding Yidden, there is undoubtedly a correlation between being a none-frum jew, and being a Liberal Democrat. I haven’t brought this up until now, but since you claim “Most Jews voted for Biden”, it seemed necessary.There is no question or debate as to whether the left controls the mainstream media. Cnn, Nbc, even Fox to some extent…now for example, the narrative that “trump is a white supremacist”-i’ve seen some on YWNCR parrot the mainstream media in quoting trumps comment on charlottesville where he said “you also had people that were very fine, on both sides”-using this as “proof” trump is a white supremacist-despite the fact trump followed up moments later saying ”
And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally….”-this is what we call *fake-news*-yet the LEFT took it and ran…
This is just one example, but the left wing media, aka mainstream media, the media that most americans get their news from, do this on a daily basis at every opportunity on every subject. So yeah, when someone says something painfully ignorant, I will pin the blame on the mainstream media…Sooo, (here we go again…) What would have biden done differently? Close the borders earlier? Nope. Impose some sort of stronger lockdown? Lockdowns have shown quite ineffective. Developed vaccines faster? Nope. This is just so stupidly simple. The Dems knew this pandemic was gonna kill hundreds of thousands. They also knew trump couldn’t do anything about it. Great opportunity to blame trump, and they didn’t miss…
Smerel, I think your being too harsh, you see, jewish liberals have a big problem. They support a different view as to running the US economy, foreign policy…., and I respect their differing angle-But they get stuck having to support democrats when it comes to social issues as well, which they most presumably don’t really want to. A hard life.😐Definition of insurrection-“a violent uprising against an authority or government”. Yeah, seems just about right.
Charlie, what good is prosecuting the arsonists and looters when they’ll be bailed out of jail with funds raised by organizations promoted by Kamala Harris?
Don’t know what your comment regarding the Nypd “standing by and doing nothing to stop it” have to do here, you write that as a distraction.(besides you have no idea what the circumstances surrounding the particular incident were)
The problem is that we have Democrat officials cheering on violence and destruction when it comes to the BLM riots. This is a problem in itself. But on top of that we have the blatant hypocrisy when it comes to a “trump incited” riot-which he actually condemned repeatedly. Here, it’s impeach, impeach, impeach….No jackk, I’m not basing our standards off the Dems. I’m saying
-Trump said some comments that at worst are QUESTIONABLE, and could be interpreted different ways, and he actually called for the violence to stop multiple times throughout the day. I would have liked him to have more strongly call out the violence, and beforehand, and so he may have acted a bit Irresponsible-but he in no way encouraged the violence.
-im asking a simple question, and would like an answer-why is it ok for Democrats to openly encourage violence, why isn’t the media, and democrat voters all over them for that? Ens tried answering that they were justified as they were in response to a police officer killing george floyd. Now ens, do you that floyd had fatal levels of fentanyl in his system when he died? Does that inconvenient fact matter at all? Do you really think that these BLM rioters care about black lives? Why then would they be burning down black-owned businesses, why don’t they care about the amount of blacks killed by other blacks? The narrative that they are “rioting for their lives” is GARBAGE! These people are bored, hate authority, hate America, and simply love owning the “victim status”. Facts matter. Democrat politicians massively contributed to the anarchy that ravaged our cities for months. And you all give them a free pass. But I guess it’s ok, because as GH said, it’s in their DNA.🙄Charlie, jack, Reb e, why do you all seem horrified when Trump makes some QUESTIONABLE comments, that MAY have to do with the insurrection, but not when democrat officials OPENLY ENCOURAGE violence? Been trying to understand this for some time now….
Hmmm, another thread filled with some insane statements…
Why do I feel like whenever I reply to one of your (leftists) posts, I’m ignored and you just repeat the same stupidity?
Jackk, at WORST, trump said a few statements that can be interpreted different ways, the violent nutjobs were going to act like violent nutjobs regardless, and at NO POINT did their violence have the support of Trump or ANY conservative. Oh and why no mention of john sullivan, and his suspicious-to-say-the-least activity within the capitol? By the BLM riots, democrats didn’t ignore it. They OPENLY ENCOURAGED it!
Election fraud is not a “conspiracy” and is not believed by just “trump’s most ardent supporters”-its supported by plenty of statistical analysis across all the states in question. Just because the actual actions of fraud, and the evidence, was successfully covered up, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. No one will likely ever know if it happened. But it doesn’t take a “lunatic with horns” to honestly believe there was plenty of monkey business going on…Reb e, what do anti semites have to do with this? Yes there some open anti semites at the forefront, but that is irrelevant to the conversation. The point Ben levi makes is a good one, but I would add that it’s more than violence vs people in power that makes this a much bigger issue. It’s the fact that it was driven by “pro-trumpers”. The double standard is so obvious and so disgusting.
Charlie, you mean except for John sullivan?
Participant, when I say “not much better than the capitol”, I don’t mean in terms of violence and damage, the BLM were far far worse, I was responding to what you said in post #1937668, “had they done what the trumpies done – storm government buildings and put their feet on Pelosi’s desk, I wouldn’t blame them.”
Again, being that the the narrative that they are “rioting for their lives” is complete nonsense, rather they are rioting because they are bored, hate America and love being portrayed as the “victims of systemic racism”, your entire basis for their riots being “more tolerable” , falls apart.
And they feel, just like I feel, that there was never a transparent, honest investigation into the many glaring question marks, rendering this election no better than venezuela’s. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you can’t, and won’t control ours.Reb eliezer, you mean to say any one who holds a different view than you, must have been brainwashed? Sorry, not how it works.
Amil, tell me why in the world any one would use the mainstream media to connect to the nation, when the mainstream media will only twist his words to make him look terrible?
The double standard in which the BLM and capitol riots are being handled is frankly, everything wrong with the state of our media, our elected officials, and our country.And just to add another point, you say they are “rioting for their lives”, while trumpies are just being sore losers. This is entirely incorrect, because while YOU may believe the election was clean-you have that right-the tens of thousands (in addition to millions around the country) that traveled from all over were protesting what THEY believe was a stolen election. Whether or not the election was stolen is not the debate here. The point is that those protesting in DC believed it was, and I’d go so far to say with 110% confidence, that those protesting at the capital, believed in what they were protesting a LOT MORE than those “rioting for their lives”…
the literal translation of”riot” is is exactly that-“excessive thuggery”.
And being that they are not actually “rioting for their lives”, your entire premise falls apart.
Oh and btw the blm riots took place at other federal properties around the country, not much better than the capital…participant
ENS-You mister, are FAKE NEWS! I see Cnn has trained you well…youre arguments are so wrong on many different levels
First point-lets learn about the 5 people who died.
1-Officer Brian Sicknick. He sustained injury while protecting the Capitol. He is an American hero, and the thugs who killed him will hopefully be caught.
2-Ashli Babbit-An UNARMED woman shot while climbing thru a window in the capitol. Dont feel all that bad for her, as she had no business being in that position, and deserved anything she was going to get. But if instead she was a black woman, and shot while climbing through a window at some sort of federal building by the BLM protests, they would be painting murals of her face, and she’d be a national hero.
3-Kevin Greeson-Trump supporter attending the rally, died of heart attack, had a history of high blood pressure
4-Benjamin Philips-Trump supporter attending the rally, had a stroke.
5-Rosanna Boyland-Trump supporter attending the rally, also died via medical emergency.
Yet you paint the picture of Trump supporters brutally murdering 5 Police Officers. There were at least 2 officers that I am aware of, in addition to non-officers, who were murdered during the BLM riots.
Second point-Absolutely NO ONE condoned the violence, while in regard to the BLM riots, you actually had elected officials, including Kamala Harris, ACTIVELY supporting the violence! Why no impeachment for them?? Double standard much??
Third point-participant, you say the BLM riots were tolerable-what is that supposed to mean?? Would you say that if it was your business, which you spent your whole life building up that was looted and burned down? The idea that there were merely protesting racism is GARBAGE! Do you know that George Floyd had fatal levels of fentanyl in his system when he died? Do you think for one second that these blm thugs would actually be interested in that inconvenient fact? By burning down black-owned businesses, and attacking black cops, by them totally not being interested by the amount of blacks killed by other blacks, they have been pretty clear-THEY DONT GIVE A DARN ABOUT BLACK LIVES!DY-What was the order of events in which this machlokes came about? Was the Kallah side originally planning on spending extra on the sushi alone? Did they have a conversation in which the kallah side agreed to spend extra only if the chosson side agreed to split?
Cs, john, I think we all agree on that point.
The point of the rally was to show the GOP establishment that they are united behind trump, we won’t be silenced by bigtech, and anyone in the GOP in wants any sort of political future better get up and demand transparency. Now what exactly could trump have wanted from pence? If it wasnt constitutional, what are you concerned about? Pence wouldn’t have been able to actually do anything. And if it was constitutional, then why is it an impeachable offense?
I’m not sure why the chosson side should be paying anything here. Food is part of the hall cost which the kallah side pays. Now was the kallah side depending on the chosson side chipping in to cover these extras? Was any conversation held previously?
After 2020, I dont think anyone can predict what will happen tomorrow lol…
But I dont see “participants” prediction as anything close to reality. It remains to be seen what role/if any, Donald Trump has here, the storm on the capitol lost him a lot of support among republicans. I do believe the next republican nominee, will be someone with who goes about pushing conservative policy the Trump did, someone who openly fights back against the radical left, but someone who acts more professional than Trump. I dont see any scenario in which the rinos retain control of the GOP. Republican voters have got a taste of what it means to have a politician actually fighting for you. The Republican base has grown considerably more diverse in the recent years, and not thanks to the rinos. Just take a look at who we’ve elected to congress this past election. I think Ron DeSantis would make a great candidate. As for Harris winning in a landslide, a ton remains to be seen in that regard. Remember, she and her socialist agenda was rejected in the democrat primaries. Once Americans get a little taste of what socialist, and “woke” policy, the score might be just a little different in 4 years…Also, Election reform is necessary as well, this years mail-in ballots were an unmitigated disaster. Without change, the republican nominee will be fighting an uphill battle from the start…I probably would not vote for him I’m the primaries, I would like to see DeSantis2024, and I held this opinion before the storm on the capitol. As for the presidential election, there’s not much he can do that would lose my vote for him, he would have to become an outright racist, or liberal or something like that….so yeah, if he wins the primaries he’s got my vote…. anything, absolutely anything is better than corrupt politicians occupying positions of power…
charlie if you really criticize blm, why wont you criticize democrat leaders who encourage and approve of their violence?
I would think that as time goes on, and this mass distribution, and handling of this special type of vaccine becomes more routine, the vaccination process will accelerate quickly. Of course this will coincide with when biden takes office, after which he will credit for saving the world …