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Yserbius, don’t tell the Democrats are hiring top lawyers, crying about the audits 24/7 because suddenly they care about taxpayer money. Besides, the Maricopa audit is being privately funded, so there goes that argument. And besides, opposing the audit because of money doesn’t explain why Democrats aren’t complying with already ongoing audits.

Yserbius, I believe adjudicating votes is for when the intent of the voter is unclear. I think there is a limit to how many ballots can be adjudicated. In Michigan the number was way over the limit. Now I’m not exactly sure and confident with all these claims, that’s why I’m happy there are audits taking place to clear this up. The Maricopa audit should be wrapping up soon. In georgia, remember those videos that went viral shortly after the election? With ballots seemingly being pulled out after poll watchers went home, where ballots were seemingly being counted multiple times? In a recent video -where audio was recorded -ruby freeman, who was at the center of all these activities, can be seen being speaking with man, and while it’s hard to hear exactly what’s being said, it was clear exactly what the focus of conversation was. Fraudulent activity. Either way, she and her daughter(who was also there), along with a lot of electronic equipment relating to the election, have all been subpoenaed in Georgia. Additionally it looks like they will, in time have many of their ballots inspected as well. If the Maricopa audit, an audit in which dems have tried so hard to put into quotation marks ( “audit”) in an effort to completely dismiss and disregard the impending results, indeed shows significant fraud, I think the dominoes will begin to fall. Just remember, in today’s political world, that which has at one point been considered a “conspiracy theory” , can very quite possibly turn out to be true.

n0mesorah “The Republicans do not want Lindel either. He was just thrown out of the Republican governor’s conference.”-yea thats because those R govs didnt want to be called out for their inaction.
-“From what I know, no individual has been named in stealing the election. So who are the radicals that you keep talking about?”-thats ridiculous, I don’t have to know the names of those involved.
-“I think that Trump is history. If he makes it back to Washington it will be with a new way and a new agenda.”-don’t see how thats relevant to our conversation.

N0mesorah “The theft of the election was a direct output of terrible partisanship. There are normal ways of having a political base.” That sounds to me like, at least for the sake of argument, you are agreeing the election was stolen, is that correct?

N0mesorah we’re going in circles, our whole conversation was predicated on this that the election was stolen.
Yserbius Firstly, there’s no fraud charges to start off with that need to be disproven. There are different aspects that cast doubt, such as the 80% turnout rate. And as for “setting the bar low to prove there was fraud”-I don’t think what they found in windham is setting the bar low. Either way, you ranted how I supposedly wasn’t keeping to my word, you’ve completely ignored point C) in post 1976971, in fact I’ll turn the tables on you-now that they’ve ACTUALLY FOUND FRAUD-why aren’t you being at least a little more receptive to the idea that perhaps the election was stolen? After all, you said yourself that in the beginning, you were “on the fence” …It’s you that’s “nitpicking” here. Your nitpicking on my response to the Maricopa audit, completely ignoring everything else I’ve been saying.

Yserbius, “sigh I really thought you would live up to your username”-oh wow, taking shots here!
if you’ve been following, the entire premise of my trust in the audit was unobstructed access to all aspects of the process of the election. Obstructing the audit likely means one thing; they’re hiding something. Not that complicated. In reality, I’m not that worried, I do think If fraud was committed, it would show up on the ballots as well.
Not even sure why we’re even discussing this, I’ll wait until the audit is complete and the results released. As for the Windham audit, results have already been released, that is why I was talking about it.

Oh. So us being nicer will make the radical liberals not want to steal future elections, and will make them not want to steal America. Got it.🤔🙄

Yserbius, my exact words-“speaking for myself, I know that if the R’s in Maricopa complete the audit to their satisfaction,and come up with nothing, I personally will be far more confident the election overall was secure”. A few points
A) Maricopa officials haven’t fully complied with the Senate issued subpoena, holding back some equipment, and Dominion is holding back some passwords that is hindering some aspects of the audit.
B) My concerns in point A are partially irrelevant, as the audit-just about a third done-hard already turned up massive red flags, the full results will be released when the audit is complete.
C) Nothing wrong with me “hocking” with another audit. Fraud revealed is fraud revealed. My words quoted above were stated before I knew about the other audit. Obviously it’s understandable in a hypothetical situation, where fraud greater than the margins is uncovered in, say, PA, MI, and Georgia(which would overturn the election), that I don’t accept the current results even though let’s say the Maricopa audit showed no fraud. Fraud is fraud. And my I finally add that a Judge-ordered-audit in Fulton county, Georgia, is expected to soon get underway, and yes if fraud is uncovered there as well, I will definitely “hock” with it.

N0mesorah -“what people focus on….consciousness”-no idea what your trying to say.
-“Nothing will be fixed. Whatever happened last time, will happen next time.”-not if the GOP works on some more “racist” “restrictive” (😉) voting laws like they did in Georgia. Exposing the fraud makes it (just a tad) harder for democrats to fight against these laws. I say “just a tad” because in truth, the exposure to fraud is actually the exact reason democrats DON’T want these laws in place. But of course they can’t say that out loud.
-“Rigging an election is not insurrection “-I’m pretty sure it would fall under the category of insurrection, and even if not, it’s far worse than the “insurrection” of Jan 6.
-so at the end of the day, now that the fraud is starting to be revealed, you still think the best thing for republicans to do is just close the book on elections, close the book on democracy, forget about ever winning an election again, and hand America over to communists on a silver platter?

Absolutely incredible what is coming out of Windham NH, and now Georgia. No wonder Democrats were so afraid of the audits. At this moment i’ll stop short of outright claiming the election was stolen, as the amount of votes proven fraudulent haven’t exceeded the margin, but that might possibly change very soon.

Not trying to start another endless unproductive debate on the election fraud…”-sigh.
Jackk, a few points.-who exactly was the “observer”? Probably an important detail. Even if he is correct (and I have no idea whether that’s the case) there is no statistical reason to assume an errant recount would result in skewed results for one candidate over the other. Definitely not 10’s of thousands in one direction. Besides there is a lot more to audit than recounting the ballots.
Want to discuss what shockingly hasn’t been discussed yet. The Windham NH audit. Because what they are finding there is insane. This from *Fox news*-check that, it’s actually from CNN!-“The stakes, in terms of election outcomes, are low: A recount found that decades-old machines in Windham, a town north of Boston, undercounted votes for four Republican state legislative candidates by about 300 votes and showed 99 more votes for a Democratic candidate than had actually been cast…” Now this applied to a full scale hands Trump the presidency. Not saying we should do that now, obviously not, (besides for the fact I don’t think the constitution would allow…) but can you guys now understand why I want this entire election audited???

Hmm…data erased days before being handed over, passwords are “missing”…

Se2015, one person is different than millions, I don’t have to explain that. But yes, if millions of democrats demanded an audit in those states, I’d welcome it.
N0mesorah, even if you’re 100% correct with Dems in AZ being concerned about budget…-that doesn’t explain why A)once the audit is already underway, they are STILL trying to derail it. And B) why democrats in other states, specifically currently Michigan, they are desperately trying to prevent an audit.

Jackk if you want to to discuss how the voting laws in gop states are “disenfranchising” voters, we absolutely most definitely can. You may as well start a new thread for that. As for “unfounded” concerns, allegations aside, a ridiculously high >80% voter turnout should be more than enough to warrant an audit. If you want to point out specific concerns with how the audit is being conducted, you can, because it is being done in a very transparent way, every step of the process being explained, and every step of the process being recorded. As for previous audits, all we’ve gotten is “an audit was conducted”, and we’re supposed to sit down and accept that. You don’t need to be any sort of “election expert” to run a ballot under a scanner, or to count them. But somehow, them having “no experience with election recounts” became a star talking point for you guys.

Jackk your post is vague and lacks any legitimate talking point. When the shoe is on the other foot, we can discuss and debate at that time. All I’ve been trying to say is that it’s awfully strange the way democrats are trying to derail the audit. Legal or not, warranted or not, if the democrats knew they won 100% fairly, I don’t think they would pass up an opportunity to see republicans look like fools.
N0mesorah I don’t know what your trying to say, if all you have to answer is that democrats there are “budget conscious”, then that is where we disagree, and there is no point debating further…

Se2015, you’ve put together a nice word salad, which happens to lack a trace of sensibility. This whole narrative about democrats being concerned about “security” and “privacy” is unmitigated *enter-word-that-moderators-would-remove-of-your-choice-here*.
“Will it be evidence? Doesn’t matter. Whatever they find, OAN and Newsmax will run with it, and a sizeable chunk of the country will believe it. The claims here by Torahvalues and Health, no doubt the echo of an echo chamber,”-some more overblown airy nonsense, when the results are released, the facts can and will be debated, there is nothing wrong with that. If for example, “20,000 ballots lacked watermarks”, then yes there will need to be an answer for that. This is literally the most transparent audit in the history of audits, the concern of them “finding then destroying the evidence” so nobody can verify, is some more gaslighting plain stupidity, nobody is suggesting in such a case that they be granted any credibility. As I’ve said, lfi derach hatevah, democrats should be giddy with excitement, waiting breathlessly for the republicans to fall flat on their face, not doing everything possible to derail the audit. Yes, they are currently continuing to defy the state legislature-issued subpoena, holding back some routers…

Yserbius, “but why?” Why what?
Maricopa county had an over 80% voter turnout, which is insanely high, the audit will make sure every last vote was valid. I’m not interested in repeating the arguments that others have put forth on this/ and other threads. I’m gonna wait patiently until the audit is complete.

In my opinion, this maricopa audit will have a huge impact. If nothing is found in this most extensive, and thorough audit, claims going forward will have a lot less credibility.