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Health, pls excuse my lingo, I was referring fauci, the fda ect…

AAQ, no certainly haven’t been on top of every study, I frankly haven’t looked or researched any of these studies in quite a number of months. What I can say, is that early on, when there were doctors from all over the country reporting there own success using HCQ+Zinc in the outpatient setting, they would tend to be shut down and dismissed as snake oil salesmen, and what “actual studies” were the medical establishment and media using to dismiss them? Obviously flawed studies, studies that were designed to fail. Now you ask how I know, and why I think Zinc would’ve helped anything, and why it makes a difference if they were included in the study-thats not really the point. If frontline doctors are reporting tremendous success utilizing specifically A+B, studying just A can’t be brought as proof that A+B doesn’t work. And similarly, if you perform a study giving patients 800mg+ of HCQ, and observe some adverse effects, can this be brought as proof HCQ is dangerous when given in 200mg doses? I would think not. Yet thats exactly what the Medical establishment/media did. Now if you want to discuss how to know for sure zinc helps, in terms of clinical studies, I can look up some, I’ve definitely seen at least one specifically designed this way (HCQ+zinc vs HCQ alone) and bigger than the comparably small study on 191 patients I believe you were referring to. Though I think it’s easier and technically the same to look up studies preformed w/o zinc vs studies performed w/ zinc.

Health-interesting that you say I’m “lying” when what your saying I’m lying about is technically subjective.
DY-As of August 18, around 17.5k under 45 died of covid. I believe it was the CDC that said only 6% of covid deaths had no co-morbidities. L’fi my understanding that means just 1050 completely healthy people under 45 died from covid. Out of around 15million(*confirmed cases! The actual number of cases is likely many times higher…) Are you absolutely sure that the risks from the vaccine, both that has already been shown, and possible longer term effects, is lower than the risk of being one of the 1050? My doctor isn’t.
Yserbius, I’ve said previously hat if the vaccine shows it stops transmission then fine I hear the argument, and would agree that the young and healthy should get vaxxed. But that hasn’t shown to be the case. Why else would masks be required after getting vaxxed? In fact I once heard of a study that showed that those who are vaxxed actually contained a higher viral load then those unvaxxed…

2scents-my was pretty simple-if your healthy and young, the chance of dying from covid is almost non-existent. So I find it a little difficult to say that the benefits outweigh the risks-risks that may be super far fetched, and which only a small percentage of doctors are concerned about-when the benefit itself is almost non existent. I’ll state again, everybody consult your own doctor…I’m not trying to take an anti-vax stance. I’m just observing and noting….

Syag, your likely 100% correct in trusting your doctor. But we all know not all doctors are in agreement on this Vax. Most seem to be pro. But not all. Not a doctor I know and used to go to. (quite a choshuv doctor too…) And he reasons simply that vaccines have pulled after longer time on the shelf than the covid vax has been around. I don’t believe he tells older people not to take it, as the benefit outweighs the potential risk, but for a young healthy person he wouldn’t encourage.

Interesting that I haven’t seen anyone point out, that for what concerns this discussion, we should probably be looking at statistics for those under 50(or around that age). Around 34k people in the USA from that category died from covid. Most of which likely had preexisting conditions.
Anonymous1079-can you please provide details of that study? Or provide a link? (Obviously with a DOT replacing the . as links aren’t allowed….) Would be interested to check it out.

My Rov laid out the issue beautifully, and although I am incapable of repeating it like he said it, here’s the basics. There are 2 different inyanim of tznius. One is the D’oraysah factor, that is, to cover the hair, and for that a lace shaitel suffices 100%. However there is a another category of tznius, which is from Das Yehudis. This says that one not only should be tznius, but to be more tzanoa than the umos haolam, and it should be noticeable. For this, perhaps a lace shaitel would be insufficient. Now he did say that to be clear, he is NOT saying straight up that a lace is Assur. And if someone asks for a mikkur that’s it’s Assur, he wouldn’t necessarily have one per se. But to answer the common question “but it’s covering all the hair so why not” here you have it. And he wouldn’t recommend someone wear it.

Ok lets stop replacing logical argument with gaslighting non-sense and name calling. And when I say gas-lighting nonsense, I’m referring to the posts that indicate, that those who don’t agree with their stringency in regards to covid policy simply don’t value human life. I have a simple question. Being that the vaccine is B”H very effective, why should someone who’s not vaccinated have to wear a mask? Because you might infect someone else who’s not vaccinated? They had the option to get the vaccine. Because you might infect someone who is vaccinated? The vaccine is very effective. Effective to the point the the virus is no more dangerous than flu. Perhaps even less than the flu. So again, why should the un-vaccinated, and kol sh’kain the vaccinated be forced to wear a mask?
This same question can be applied to why anyone should be forced to get the vaccine.
If anyone has a logical response, i’d love to hear it.

Reb E, firstly, being that the vaccine is bh very effective, why is it anyone’s business if I am vaccinated? How is it any different than pre-covid flu? And besides, they’re now suggesting that the vaccinated may actually spread the virus MORE. The problem is, is that the government, and government medical agencies, are able to tell you to do whatever they want, all in the name of “public health”, whether it makes sense or not. And I don’t mean whether or not it makes sense to me, I mean whether or not it makes sense to outside doctors and experts. And much of the current policy doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Oh but you better listen because “public health”.

Refua shleima iy”h the surgeries will be alright!

Jackk this preconceived narrative that if it was BLM rioting they would have been massacred is absolutely ridiculous. Have you been paying attention at all the past year? Riots in every democrat-run city? Thousands of officers injured, many killed? Yet how many “massacres”? Police officers in general are scared stiff to do anything that might be later deemed as “excessive force”, and therefor racist…
I honestly am disappointed Republicans didn’t agree to a bi-partisan committee. But given how Democrats went after trump, with the impeachment, with taken-out-of context video, showing and exposing their true tds-driven intentions; I can see where R’s are coming from.
Without digging deeper, what happened is obvious. Trump and his supporters weren’t happy with the fraud-filled-election. Fraud that is no longer a “conspiracy theory”. Fraud that is real and has been shown, and revealed the last few weeks. Trump and some R’s gave speeches at rallies, calling for supporters to go to the capitol and “peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard”. Many on the far-right, many of which are likely white-supremacists took the opportunity and hijacked the event. It is beyond me that many think that trump should be held responsible, even more so when Democrats have given far more inflammatory speeches that actually incite violence.

CTlawyer-“The Republican Party is inherently racist as shown by all there moves to restrict voting access. First they go after the blacks, if successful they will come after the Jews.”-lol, you can’t be serious. In fact I know your not. Stop this stupidity. If anyone is racist here, it’s the democrats, who think blacks aren’t capable of figuring out how to get their free I.D. Democrats think that blacks are freaking stupid and clueless. Republicans absolutely need to hammer home this point. And btw, everyone was (rightfully) upset when MTG compared democrats imposing mask mandates to nazi Germany, but it’s totally ok to compare -*reducing accessibility to voting, yet still 100% completely accessible to anyone who wants to vote*-to slavery and Jim crow laws?? Pretty disgusting.

Reb e again, I would love to know what you make of what has come out of Georgia and Arizona the past few days. Pls don’t just ignore the question again, and repeatedly claim, “no proof…” “Conspiracy theorists…”

The Biden administration came out strongly warning fleeing Cubans that they won’t be allowed into the U.S. Why the double standard when it comes to the southern border?
Answer: because it’s obvious who-Cubans protesting Communism, flying the American flag in the streets-would vote for.

Jackk, nobody expected Biden and top dems to straight away side with the Cuban government. His response means little. Question here is, why did it take so long for a response from Biden? Why are many democrats, along with the mainsteam media trying to shift the narrative surrounding the protests? Psaki: “There is every indication that yesterday’s protests were spontaneous expressions of people who are exhausted with the Cuban government’s ‘economic mismanagement…” or blaming the protests on “lack of vaccines..”
And oh it might just be worth noting what Psaki actually said about Biden’s statement “The statement…we put out in the president’s name this morning, in his voice of course”…
This is what the New York Times had to say about this “Shouting “Freedom” and other anti-government slogans, hundreds of Cubans took to the streets in cities around the country on Sunday to protest food and medicine shortages….”
Compare this to how all Republicans have responded. The contrast is stunning. Stunning and quite telling.
CTlawyer-The agenda that todays Democrats/socialists push extends far past the governments programs, which I think is really there up for debate. At this point its clear, that the democrat elites, along with the radical left, want to control what you think, control what kids are taught, and crush any opposing opinions. And the values they want the next generation to grow up with is abhorrent and disgusting. “And oh don’t you dear voice your opinion, you filthy racist” is what they tell anyone expressing concern. Pure unmitigated communist style.

I’ll wait patiently for the audit results to be released. Currently, lawmakers in PA are initiating a Maricopa-style forensic audit, and democrats are sweating bullets. Have a feeling we will see very soon that RM is not all that drunk.