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Ctlawyer While I applaud your not involving yourself, and wasting your time with twitter, the fact of the matter is that is serves as the “public town square”. The censors @twitter prevented Bidens laptop story from getting out.

Yerbius123-I wish democrats would agree with you.
Ubi-Isn’t an individual entitled to a second opinion when it comes to his wellbeing? You comparison isn’t accurate. I don’t believe there are any experts out there who think a seatbelt poses any threat. There is certainly no big government-provided number of deaths that resulted from wearing a seatbelt. What drives someone not to wear a seatbelt is pure laziness. And there are no alternative therapeutics that can be as effective as a seatbelt. When it comes to Covid, there are many alternative therapeutics that can reduce the chance of death (specifically when we’re dealing with teenagers, and to some degree when dealing with older age groups) from almost zero to virtually zero. Can you imagine if the CDC would put out guidelines for dealing with every specific illness and ailment, the way they see fit, with no one being allowed to discuss various alternative options with their doctors? Bishlama if one taking the vaccine provided a PUBLIC health benefit, I can *somewhat* hear the grounds to mandate the vax, but being that that is no longer the case, the subject of taking the vaccine should be solely discussed between everyone and their doctor.

Reb E, “If you are at a wrong place at the wrong time, you are responsible for the consequences”-very nice except he wasn’t in the wrong place at the wrong time. He had every right to be there.

Reb E-Wow Reb e, now your taking this to another level. Not only are you saying kyle *shouldn’t* have been there, but your implying it was *illegal* for him to be there with the rifle. Reb E, he wasn’t a תחלתו בפשיעה as he had every right to be there with the rifle. This thread is focusing on *should* he have been there. There’s no question that he had the *right* to be there.

Jackk-“Saying that Rosenbaum reaching for a weapon means that he was not “unarmed” is politically motivated.”-Thats ridiculous. Obviously at that exact moment that he was shot, rosenbaum was unarmed-as in not carrying any weapon-but for all intents and purposes, he was armed. He was reaching for kyle’s gun. That is as good as armed. I don’t know where your going with this.
-“Maybe he didn’t need to shoot him 4 times to stop him from attacking?”-When an animal is attacking you, you can’t exactly stop to access the situation in between each shot. All 4 shot were shot within a second or two. We live in the real world jackk.
-“Correct. See my previous answer.”-Your previous answer was that there were other cases where good prosecutors got innocent men sent to the death row. What does that have to do with kyle? Not connecting the dots here.

Jackk-“This is a politically motivated slant to change the clear meaning of a English word and you have to ask yourself why you think this way.”-Thinking that a mentally ill person, who threatened to kill you earlier, and is now reaching for your weapon, as a threat to your own life, is “politically motivated”??
-“So you feel that it was stupidity for Kyle to have blown the arm off of of Gaige Grosskreutz. He should have blown his head off.”-No the stupidity I was referring to was the line of thinking that in the spur of the moment, Kyle, if he wants, can decide where exactly he’s gonna shoot. This is the same as saying police should aim for the legs.
-“I will let experienced prosecution lawyers, who have gotten innocent people sent to death row, answer this.”-ah, but when you say ” There surely were many legal reasons for a prosecution. The prosecution did a terrible job.” it sounds like you are thinking there are many legal reasons kyle should have been found guilty, and the prosecution did a bad job bringing them out.
-“Agreed. But this is the way the BLM people see it. “-Are you the spokesman for BLM?
Amil Zola-“I just cant get it through my head that this child of 17 went into the situation having no experience…”-The way he handled himself that night, when he was chased by first a mentally ill person, then by a mob who wanted nothing less than his life, I think is absolutely incredible.

Jackk-“I was referring to the first person he killed, Joseph Rosenbaum, which is why I used the singular.
My point was that he was unarmed and killed anyway therefore to say that there should never have been a prosecution is a false narrative that has been propagated. (By you know who.)”-Well guess what jackk, your still have to answer why he was prosecuted on the other charges, if you are to argue it wasn’t politically motivated. And you keep referring to Rosenbaum as “unarmed” and keep ignoring the fact that he was trying to get Rittenhouse’s gun. And the notion that he should have just shot him in the arm is 1st grade level stupidity and you know it.
-“The prosecution did a terrible job.”- I keep seeing people say this, but I don’t see how he could have done a better job considering he didn’t have a case to begin with.
-“And we all know if he would have been a poor minority from the other part of Chicago , he would be on death row now for killing 2 white men peacefully protesting.”-More gaslighting, race-baiting garbage. Jackk, my question to you, is why in your mind should Kyle be guilty, and based on what evidence. Why is President Biden “angry” and “upset” with the verdict. Why does Nadler call the verdict a “miscarriage of justice”. There better be a good reason because these comments are currently, and actively inflaming and inciting the far-left to do what they do.
It’s comments like these that divide the country.
ENS-“Imagine Jewish people were protesting something and a kid with swastikas showed up with an AR15 or maybe some kids with Hama flags with AR15s.”-Awful comparison, Rittenhouse wasn’t doing anything to “trigger” the rioters-other than defending property.
Yserbius-“I must have missed that day in Yeshiva where it was explained that we have a responsibility as Torah Jews to carry weapons around with us all the time and even insert ourselves into dangerous situations where our weapons may come in handy.”-Must’ve missed the post where anyone advocates for Torah jews to carry weapons…..
-“by waving a rifle around hoping that someone will attack him so he can shoot and declare self-defense.”-He wasn’t waving his rifle, and he wasn’t hoping to shoot someone. You have no evidence for this. Unless of course you bought into the prosecutor’s argument that since Kyle plays video games, you know, he just likes to shoot people…..

Health-If Lindell’s claims of vote switching was true, wouldn’t it have shown up in the Maricopa audit?

What makes a bellwether county a bellwether county? Google it. From my understanding, it’s strange for winner of the election to not win the majority of the bellwether counties, let alone win just 1/19.
-“You say that the bar for an audit should not be set high, but this is in a thread where you defend throwing out any ballot that was sent to an address where the individual recently moved out of. That’s not just high, that’s astronomical.” There you again putting words into my mouth, I said I don’t understand Arizona’s laws and processes so I don’t know if it should have, but IF according to election law it shouldn’t be counted, are you saying it should have despite Arizona law? And I have no clue what this has to do with setting the bar for initiating audits anyway.

Yserbius “Not to get personal” *gets personal* Lol that’s fine, im not insulted, but if your going to make a personal attack, at least own it. Now I wasn’t referring to number-crunching statistical anomalies, although there are probably many of those, I can copy paste if you want, I was simply referring to stats such as Trump winning 18/19 Bellwether counties. I don’t think the bar for an audit should be set high at all, which is why I wanted this Maricopa audit to go through.

Yserbius, Hmm, why can’t I find those supposed quotes of mine when I search all my replies on the forum?…again there you go putting words in my mouth. My position has always remained constant. No i’m not waiting for any Cnn-proclaimed “expert”, nor am I waiting for any politician on either side of the aisle. I’m waiting to see how the AG’s prosecution holds up in court, when CN’s and Maricopa County are forced to have legitimate answers for each other. What part of the process is confusing me? None because I haven’t bothered to learn the process, and we both know how easy it can be for any “expert” to put some words together that makes sense, and is enough to convince a layman. The only way I feel I can really understand is if I see CN and Maricopa County have a back and forth conversation. I barely have enough time in my day to type these posts, I have no particular interest in studying Arizona’s election laws and processes.

Yserbius-I’m not sure what “both of your original arguments” are. So fine, it’s expected that 2% of ballots will be sent to the wrong address. But should they still count as votes? Maybe yes, maybe no, but that’s not what I was ever debating…

Yserbius- You’ve repeatedly said comments along the lines of “OK that’s fine for Maricopa, but what about the other counties?”. Let me ask, what in the world are you talking about?? Yes of course if as you say “If nothing is found in Maricopa which, if memory serves correctly, has over half the votes of the entire Arizona, the likelihood of 10,000 fraudulent votes being “found” in the other districts is astronomically low.” I 100% agree with that, that’s what I’ve said in the beginning and that’s never changed. Now if you scroll through this thread, you and I were discussing not the validity of cyber ninjas claims, but the mathematics of it, and what level of impact it might have on the results. You seem to have been saying that cyber ninjas result “found nothing” because even according to CN’s numbers, the gap wouldn’t close much. I’ve been responding to that that doesn’t matter because fraud is fraud no matter who’s ballots it impacted. And if we see that fraud was committed, we should audit everywhere else. Then you shifted to arguing that the actual claims are meaningless. I’ve said repeatedly, along these lines “now frankly I’m not sure what to make of any of it as I don’t understand the processes”…and Ive also said that this that I’m referring to these ballots as “bad” is for arguments sake.

Yserbius that’s ridiculous, I’m not fauci’ing any goalposts, and I’m not admitting anything. As I’ve said, i’m not knowledgeable on election protocols, and I can’t say with any degree of certainty that these ballots were bad. But if they were, this tiny little batch of ballots was more then 2x necessary to swing the election. And if it comes out that these ballots absolutely should have been thrown out, then we see that election fraud was committed. Thats not called cyber ninjas finding nothing. I don’t know what’s so complicated.

Jackk Yes the media did lie, not because they reported that CN’s count confirmed Biden’s lead, but because they reported that the audit overall confirmed Biden’s victory. That is FALSE. Whether or not CN’s claims have any legitimacy, their audit, from their perspective, put tens of thousands of ballots in question. Again, whether or not their claims are legitimate is IRRELEVANT to the conclusions of the audit! If you want to correctly report on the audit, and you don’t believe any of their claims, then you report in a way that indicates there are claims, you don’t totally ignore the claims. Now as for Maricopa responding to all the claims, 2 points: I went to Justthefacts . vote where Maricopa County officially answers all the claims, and I don’t see them address CN’s top claims. And besides, one thing is for sure, Maricopa County was always gonna come up with some sort of answer, legitimate or not, and as i’ve said previously, I have no idea how any of these things work, and i’m just gonna wait to see what the Arizona AG prosecutes.

Yserbius I understand what you are saying but-
The % of “fake” ballots that went for Biden compared to the % that went for Trump is larger than the % of biden’s victory in the overall vote count. Biden won 49.4% vs Trump 49%. According to audit, of those 23k bad votes, Biden owns 53.7% vs Trump 44.8%. Now we can go a lot further into the number crunching but I feel like its dumb because a lot of this is speculation, as we don’t know how the “prefer not to say” ballots break, and we frankly don’t know for sure (yet) which way the above ballots break. We also don’t about those 5295 in the other “High” category. And on top of all this, you can’t take the percentage of bad votes for Biden/Trump and apply to the full Arizona ballot count. Because once we see that fraud can be committed on such a significant amount of ballots, who’s to say that fraud in a different county isn’t more lopsided?