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  • September 12, 2023 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm in reply to: The Rambam on the Linearity of Time, or Its Lack of Thereof. #2225026
    torahlife
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    How does thinking work without time?
    Thoughts are a progression of this then that…thinking takes time.

    August 2, 2023 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm in reply to: Jew vs. Jewish Person #2213023
    torahlife
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    Dunno but “you Jews” is certainly disrespectful.

    June 21, 2023 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm in reply to: Yeshivish/Chassidish vs Frumkeit #2201997
    torahlife
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    Someone posted an interesting quote from R Moshe that I am trying to understand correctly.

    “Frum is a gallach, a Yid darf zein Ehrlich”

    The priest is frum but for the wrong thing. The yid is frum for the right thing. What proof is there from the gallach that Ehrlich is more ikkur than frum? Maybe frum is better where it is for the right thing?

    And what exactly is the idea. I am sure he wants everyone to be fully committed to halacha.

    Maybe he means that its less about the extras and more about doing whatever you do in the best way.

    One guy pays $500 for an esrog so he is acting very frum, but he uses it in an average way…he comes late to daven or spaces out or puts on a shuckling/yelling show.

    Another guy spends $100 for a nice regular esrog but davens with a sincere heart (ehrlich)…the second one is much greater…perhaps that is the general concept.

    The priest is acting frum but he is not sincere because if he was he would know he got it all wrong?

    June 5, 2023 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm in reply to: Yeshivish Girls/Wives/Rebbetzins in College #2195886
    torahlife
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    I think, and let me know if I’m mistaken, that most disagreed with this, because yeshiva guys getting degrees in Touro or Agudah or wherever, hasn’t been about becoming well rounded, it’s been about making a good living.

    Which is what makes this so interesting. There are plenty Yeshivish types that wouldn’t get degrees, but their wives do, either before they get married or after. But if the degree is for parnassah, it’s the same thing. So, they agree that if it’s about parnassah vs “well roundedness” it’s justified, no? Where exactly do such types stand on this issue?

    Furthermore, the argument that a mother belongs home with the children, while the husband is the provider seems a most glatt arrangement…yet people want to stay in learning…. perhaps it arose from people wanting to stay in learning, but is this justified? (The honest answer might be that it is best judged on a case-by-case basis. Is he really learning? Or is he pushing off his responsibilities? Will she be negatively spiritually impacted? Or is it someone who really just wants to maintain a certain image?)

    By the way, I don’t fully follow the argument “to merit children who will become Gedolei Yisroel, one has to have modesty. And modesty cannot be acquired in Touro College!”

    I imagine that the acquisition of modesty and Touro having nothing to do with each other. The acquisition is in homes and communities and schools. The better question might be, (and perhaps the intention) will they lose their modesty in college? And that is a very important question. Is it a frum place (i.e. Touro non mixed) or a non-Jewish place? Do they teach wrong things? Are there bad influences there? It’s a fact that many girls with degrees in special ed etc did not sacrifice modesty (although I bet some have, which is why a case-by-case basis is vital).

    All considered, I think I can give good general reasons to explain this, but it is still somewhat hazy. There seems to be a few elements here.

    July 28, 2022 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2109970
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    common seichel:

    First you said the topic is pure lashon hara then you said it “begs for LH”, which are close, but not the same. Anyhow, I am discussing a gemorah…it can remain without LH.

    That said, do you really think a post titled “yiddish insults” does not “beg for LH”?! If anything, it is exactly that! So you contradict yourself.

    You have a bias, plain and simple.

    July 28, 2022 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2109792
    torahlife
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    common saychel:

    you say this “sorry the thread is PURE loshen Hora,” but recently you started a thread titled “Yiddish insults” which possibly is and certainly leads to lashon hara, hands down. So how do you differentiate or is it your personal bias?

    July 28, 2022 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2109791
    torahlife
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    Since what I posted is edited, assuming you didn’t see it, you wont get a full read on my observations. That said, the question still stands the way it is now posted.

    (BTW, I don’t see how what I wrote is more of an issue compared to many things posted here..it is a legitimate observation. Somehow discussing certain things tends to be worse in one direction than another which is silly…but I am not in charge so it is what it is.

    UJM writes:

    Based on…if a Ben Torah or Yeshivish person or Talmid Chochom has a son …a Ben Torah or Yeshivish or Talmid Chochom, then none of the criticism…

    I was trying to be clear on this point. Yeshivish is mostly cultural…a father/son yeshivish is not what the gemorah is talking about…Now, yes, they may have what the gemorah says since they might be mimicking that as part of their culture…or maybe they dont have it…but try not to mix this up.

    This mistake is highlighted in a mishna in Avos discussing this general idea (see Rashi there): Al Tistakel Bikonkon…

    July 27, 2022 6:12 am at 6:12 am in reply to: WWRAS-What would R’ Aharon zt”l say? #2109298
    torahlife
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    Rock,
    I think you are not focused enough on your “target market”.
    It’s a critical thing. And you a bit scattered.

    Brain dump:

    Materialism: That’s not a kollel problem. It’s a klal problem. Yidden have it. It is more profound in certain places…less so in others. Regarding kollel, people who are materialistic probably don’t stay too long anyway…why should they? They want to make a buck so they do whatever they need to do. It’s hard to imagine a materialistic person staying in kollel for years…unless he has other issues…ok so that is a personal issue. What is a good solution? Rabanim and also Kollel leaders should give schmoozin on aspiring to a life within one’s means and spiritually motivated.

    Entitled I think is true. It’s no good. But as far as looking for a boy, I think if somone really wants a ben aliyah for their girl, they will find the type that doesn’t have big needs. The ones who are, likely aren’t the ” real deal” even if they learned in a brand name yeshiva…that said, even if he learns because he loves it and not because that is what everyone does, he still needs something so then it costs like anything else, only that if he is too demanding it demonstrates a problem…hopefully also he understands, even if he shteigs, that at some point he may have to get out and support the family…and it may also be hard then…so look ahead.

    Lack of guidance: again it’s not just kollel guys but a big plus of small kollels is that they have that more…a big place has drawbacks. But who is our target market? Not the guy who goes to people for guidence…its those who dont…they benefit from being where they get it…and to fix it speak to the yeshivas..
    I don’t understand how the rosh yeshiva or whoever you claim to have spoke to threw up his hands…it can be implemented internally in the yeshiva if they work on it…shmoozin…I mean it certainly can be made better by the Hanhalah..no?

    Goals: in big places there are chaburahs for fast and for slow. You say, this guy said he only covered….well that is what he likes…another guy wants fast he goes to another building…this would be a plus for a bigger place over a smaller place

    Idealism: it certainly is not gone…people do want to make an impact…for many people however it is safer to be in a frum place for them and their kids….kollel years ago was about that…today jt is also but it is broader so we are talking about all types of people in kollel not everyone is for that…

    With all that said: I want to get back to target market. There are different intensities of yeshivishness out there…more specifically how much they are not only frum but socially frum…some types are more resistive to change or feeling compelled. Some types not so much. Some types are contrary bishita….even without realizing it or maybe on purpose…you can’t change the whole thing without clarifying not only the issues but the target market…different yeshivish types and intensities or heimish or what have you respond better to different things…I can give examples but it might get too touchy so so your homework is to figure it out.

    September 13, 2020 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm in reply to: The Empty Wagon – great book, but berating specific frum Jews is assur #1901005
    torahlife
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    I didn’t publish anything. I’m asking.

    May 18, 2016 12:42 am at 12:42 am in reply to: Orthodox hats for Shabbos — what do you wear? #1151997
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    You can find black hats on Amazon and what not or a fraction of the cost of a $300 borse. Were talking 30/40 bucks. Check it out

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