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December 8, 2010 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm in reply to: "Baruch ata Hashem? – How can we bestow blessings on Hashem? #1210672tooclose2detroitMember
WIY-for some reason you are not addressing my issues,so I will try to lay it out simply, and, if you are going to respond, then perhaps respond point by point.
1-Kasuv means “is written”, does it not?-If so, then how does “baruch”, which is the same construct, not mean “is blessed”?-dont tell me that it doesnt, tell me HOW it doesnt.
2-“Barchu” is the command form of the imperfect plural form of a the verb Baruch-either show me that it is NOT the imperfect (future) command plural form of the verb, or, explain to me how commanding a tsibur to Bless is NOT commanding them to give Hashem a blessing.
3-What did Hashem mean when He asked R Yishmoel to bless Him, if He didnt mean to bless Him?-
Perhaps answering the details of the questions might make the answers more understandable.
And, although my response was edited by the editor earlier, with the ideal to “keep the peace”, I dont think you should call another Jew’s thoughts comical or insane. My response was much harsher, but the editor, with wisdom I suppose, edited them out.
December 8, 2010 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm in reply to: "Baruch ata Hashem? – How can we bestow blessings on Hashem? #1210670tooclose2detroitMemberWIY, I will now address my troubles with the contents of your response, which, had you read my comments objectively, would have, I believe precountered some of you contentions. We say “Borchu es Hashem Hamvorach”-what does Borchu mean in this context?-it is a command for the tsibbur to do something related to the word Boruch-what, if not to bless Hashem, is the command?- Hashem asked Reb Yishmoel to bless Him-Well, I guess you have to tell Hashem that He doesnt understand Hashem, because Hashem doesnt need blessing, so how could Hashem ask someone to bless Hashem-glad you know more than Hashem about Hashem!! The contsruct of the word Baruch is the same as the construct of the word Kasuv-just like it seems to think that the words that are written are the source of all words, then it seems equally innacurate to say that the word Baruch means source of all blessing.
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December 8, 2010 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm in reply to: "Baruch ata Hashem? – How can we bestow blessings on Hashem? #1210667tooclose2detroitMemberI love Poppa Bar Abba’s question, and I also love the fact that, although people have tried to shove a meaning upon him that doesnt seem to fit into the word, he has stuck to his guns in search of emes. I have always been troubled by this word-If words are “kasuv”, does that mean that they are the source of all words??-then why should “Baruch”, which is the same construct, mean the source of all blessing??-we say “Barchu es Hashem Hamvorach”-that is, without the backtwisting, a command to bless Hashem-Hashem asked R Yishmoel to bless him-so, why is the concept that we can bless Him so bizzare that the meaning of Baruch needs to be “backtwisted”-I think, that when a Jew blesses Hashem, THAT is the ultimate blessing for Hashem-in other words, He wants us to recognize Him, give thanks to Him, ask Him to help us, etc-when we do that, then THAT, for Him, is the ultimate good. I need to find someone with a longer beard than mine that agrees with me, though-Well, Boruch Poppa Bar Abba for asking it-The tragedy is that most Jews go through their lives and never even THINK about it, and that, to me, is a criminal negligence on the part of the educational system-I think that we need the entire Yeshiva world to close their Gemorras for a year and just focus on Tefilla, and utilizing Tefilla to develop a deep relationship with Hashem. We are creating spiritual skeletons that, although they may know every single last legal detail about every mitzvoh, and every argument about every legal detail, they know nothing and think very infrequently about the Giver of those Mitzvos. I dont know how this happened, but I think it is a true tragedy, and is the reason for all these “kids at risk”-they just simply dont feel a connection to Hashem, so why hold yourself back from the fun?-And I dont blame them, I blame the system for focusing too much, too early, on laws, and never on Hashem.
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