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Randomex – MiYaD is roshei teivos of the Holy Names of the Rebbe Rashab, the Frierdiker Rebbe, and Moshiach (Menachem shmoi) who, as the seventh generation, must perforce follow them.
Laskern – sever with a sin means hope. Sever with a samech, in conjunction with the word ponim, means expression, as in the Targum in this week’s parsha on roieh onoichi es penei avichem – chazei ano yos sevar apei avuchoin
Laskern, you misspelled קבין again
Shlucha – I’m happy to see you admit that the ultimate madreiga is for everyone to be United under the Rebbe and following his horaos. This was a major point that I felt was being minimized.
And since we’re telling stories, let me add another one (kayodua from the Rebbe that lav davka motzoei Shabbos, lav Davka the Baal Shem Tov, and lav davka ashirus….): after Yud Tes Kislev, the Alter Rebbe issued a horoah to his chassidim that has milehazkir (as printed in Tanya), that they should not in any way Express to the misnagdim the fact that didon notzach. Some chassidim came to the Alter Rebbe and told him that Reb Shmuel Munkes was countermanding this directive and cheppering the misnagdim about the miraculous yeshuoh that foiled their evil 0lans. The Alter Rebbe called Reb Shmuel in and asked him why he was not obeying, and Reb Shmuel answered “if they would have done to your Rebbe what they did to mine, you would do like me!” Kal vachomer in thes cases where there was no horoah from the Rebbe that has milehazkir….
Non Political: that’s exactly the deflection I was talking about. As regarding Sechel, I never said everyone needs to become Lubavitchers! All I said was that anyone who doesn’t ACKNOWLEDGE who the Rebbe is will be sorry when it’s too late, and that someone who doesn’t lear Chabad Chassidus is missing out (as I demonstrated, that is something the Rebbe himself confirmed!) Sechel cannot argue on either of these two points, but he is uncomfortable admitting them here!
And regarding Shlucha, so she gave someone the title Rav and said something vaguely complimentary about him, quite honestly I am shocked, but I can excuse her because a: she doesn’t remember the maarocho, and b: she’s a woman. Note that she also didn’t say (and of course Sechel stayed away from the whole question) that she respects this person. She also avoided the main question which was not about ES but about AK, because apparently even she knows what the Rebbe had to say about that……
Bottom line, as I said many times, my point here is that trying to foster good relationships based on Lubavitch having to buk zich and pretend that we have forgotten or abandoned our positions is a chillul Lubavitch.
Sechel: “eat the Kasheh of Tomchei Tmimim (seemingly, TTs version of sprinkling “holy water”).”
Wow. So something that was so choshuv by Rabboiseinu Nesieinu that it deserved a havtocho that someone who does it will not die without teshuva, you compare to an avoido zoro R”l. Are you truly so desperate to find favor by the snags that you will abandon your own hekdeishois?! Nebech.
And note that you dont either disagree with anything I’ve said, you only deflect and change the subject. You know good and well that as a chossid of the Rebbe there is no other way to see those people.
Shlucha, let me tell you a story. There was once a feineh Yid who was known by the name of his sefer,Chazon Ish. After he was nifter, Folye Kahan was farbrenging, and he mentioned that now that the CI is in gan eden,and he sees the truth, he is jealous of even the little Lubavitcher children who have the zechus to learn chassidus Chabad.the world was in a tremendous uproar, because certain people thought the CI was beyond such criticiams. They wrote into the Rebbe, expecting him to rebuke Kahan for his comments. I stead, at a farbrengen, the Rebbe explained that he was exactly right!
Wait! Ahavas Yisroel! Keilim detikkun! Etc.
The obvious answer is that the keilim detikkun are just a method for presenting the oiros detoihu, but they dont distort or pervert the oirois chas vesholom! I am not telling you that you need to start every conversation with a snag by telling him in ponim arayn what you think of his gedaylim, but neither may you lie – by commission or ommission- and make it sound chas vesholom as if the Rebbe, and therefore Lubavitch, are machshiv those who are not deserving of kovod!
Rso: “For those of us who don’t have direct quotes, how about you tell us what your rebbe said about them?”
Vechi deilotor ani loch?! Those who need to know, know.
Neville – “is that strictly Chabad and Christianity’s way of learning?”
But I’m the one with the Ahavas Yisroel problem?!
Shlucha and Sechel – bottom line, you are trying to win people over, but you can’t bring people to the Emes by using Sheker. A simple yes or no question – do you have any respect for AK (I won’t even get started with ES)? If the answer is yes, you are the ones being mevazeh the Rebbe after what he said about him, not me. If the answer is no, why do you keep dodging the question, trying to make the people here think that you do have respect for them. That does not bring kovod to Lubavitch, that those who bashmutz our Rebbe (and worse) we give any kovod to!
You brought me a moshel, I’ll give you a raayeh. You know the story about the person mentioned above is true, because there is no mekor more neemon than the Rebbe. Yet when you are talking to the snags, you feel the need to equivocate – it’s a story you heard, so you know what I’m referring to, trying to be mashma that you, the enlightened Lubavitcher chossid, of course dont believe such things, and you give every two-bit rosh yeshiva equal standing with the Rebbe, Chad vesholom.
Seichel and Shlucha – you think that if you present yourself as “normal”, and shy away from “uncomfortable” truths, everybody here will like you, and then you can bring them closer to the Rebbe’s truth. You are just forgetting one thing – the Rebbe Maharash – lechatchile aribber! Stand proud and sing chassidei Chabad onu talmidei hoRebbe ashreinu, and fun desvegen verou kol AMEI HOORETZ ki Sheim Haveyeh niekro olecho! Veyoru mimeko! Teikef uMiYa”D MaMo”SH!
Yes, my kashe was spiked – with Chassidus, with Emunas Cahchomim, with bittul!
Shlucha – with all our ahavas Yisroel we still proudly say the nineteenth brocho which was added in Yavneh! We dont have to hem and haw and be politically correct and say that other kreizen also had tzaddikim and try to imply that they were even close to the level of our Rebbe – we are proud that we have a Rebbe who is the nefesh hakoilel, the Nossi hader, Mepech Hamoshiach Leoilom Voed! The Nesiei Chabad were special neshomois mishichmom ulemaala gevoihim miko ho’om, and bifrat the tzaddik hashvii hu Dovid beatzmoi! All the Chachmomim who want to compare him to this one and to that one, and even to frierdiker doiros, do you not realize that Moshiach is different?! When the Melech Hamoshiach is misgaleh bimeheira beyomeinu, and is the Nossi and the Melech and the Novi, will you also tzi your beards and say but how can he be greater than the Rashbo who was none of those things? Leave aside your kleinkeppelkeit before it’s too late! Yes there were feineh Yidden in other kreizen, and even tzaddikim, but we do not need to be ashamed to say that none of them could rihr un unzer Rebbin Shlita!
RebYid- what do you need translated?
SechelHayashar vi a deifen akumah – ich hob gegessen di kasha fun Tomchei Tmimim und gelernt gruntig vi der Rebbe Rashab n”e hut geheist! And you were still in diapers, if you were even born yet. Ver meinst du az du bist?!
Carpenter – should have said farentfer.
CS – why are you trying to bend over backwards to explain yourself to these people? Ah snag is ah snag! We just passed the Yom Tov of Rosh Chodesh Kislev which taught us az der Rebbe Shlita is gezunt, now and always, Melech Hamoshiach chai vekayam! Everybody had the chance to listen and be mekabel, and everyone still has that chance,but now after Gimmel Tammuz, in the helem vehester, the time for darchei noam is past! Those who will stubbornly refuse to accept the obvious reality of Who the Rebbe is, who allow the akrov of krirus to bite them, will remain with their gedaylim – oisoi hoish and the shoifech domim – lecherpos ulederoin oilom! If they truly want to learn they can open the hundreds of volumes of Toras Emes in the Rebbe’s Sichos and Maamorim. And leave behind the kindereshe naarishkeiten they learned in their places. But for a shlucha of the Rebbe to carpenter herself to them? Feh!