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pba- if it wouldve been slichos you woulda called R Elyashiv.
the last part, although my post was addressed to avi w, sorry, k.
gaw- but they turn it into much more. ayin shum, and what the rebbe said doesnt make it any easier to be dan likaf zchus.
avi k- and, as has been explained thoroughly by previous posters, their kovod was for his piety and greatness in torah, but in regard to his hashkafos, specifically li’inyan zionism, the geolim said that in this nikuda he went mishuga from ahavas yisroel. no-one id CV”S degrading his greatness, rather that a great person could still be a to’eh, as the gedolim said. I suppose you have the right to live your life following a to’us.lihavdil- do you believe in darwinism? no-one would tell you he was an idiot and wasnt an expert in his field, but his theory turned out to be false, too. but hey, go for it.
comments repeated by talmidim of their rabbeim should be allowed. differences of opinion are valid, but when people try to base themselves on an outcast from the hashkafic norm then theyre confused, not legit.
one more- the whole controversy about lubavitch doesnt start with the rebbe- it begins with hiskashrus and what that means. if you havent heard of it then you dont know the half of the problem.
im doing it- bare minimum-under 2 grand. and we make seudos for bochurim. but we only eat chicken once a week. so its a give and take. but BH its amazing.
GAW- or the satan has funny ways of convincing people and twisting their heads. by extension, you could claim that a certain figure who led a genocide against klal yisroel ,yimach shemo, also was misayeiya in creating the medina, but even avi k understands to a certain degree that bad actions by bad people are just that and no more. hertzl was a rasha and did bad things. zehu! maybe we should go live in uganda- at least that way no-one will make these ridiculous mistakes and be matzdik a rasha, and not only that, give him credit for things he fought against. Feh!
zdad- you really could sell yourself the brooklyn bridge. And I hate cliches- but sometimes…
Modern orthodoxy continues to blind itself to the obvious failings of their movement, denying even that its founder said that its right to exist depends solely on classic orthodoxy’s inability to thrive in america and the new world, and, having clearly been proven wrong, should be discontinued.
You’ve been at very few weddings. Sofo mochi’ach al tchiloso.
your ‘heilige’ medina.
Avi K- your post is laughable.
ok ill concede- judge him on his anti-torah way of life and values. judge him on the colossal tragedy that he caused in klal yisroel. forget the shaigitz.
Sam2- its not the geder. its when people adopt a rosa parks men-are-better-then-women and we’ll show you so by putting them in the back type of attitude, which is entirely not in the spirit of the geder. why dont you shry at people who sit separately at weddings? Why do the men get to sit near the bar?! Why dont women get to play in the nfl?! ridiculous.
Sam2-See, this is where the disagreement arises. The other side would hold that since there is a rather large tzad that a man can manage to find a woman attractive, its kidei to try and make gedarim that will hold that back. cuz once he’s holding at yaharog vi’al ya’avor its kinda late. Therefore, they advocate that separate seating on a bus is called seichel.
I dont get it. If your in kollel you cant have a happy marriage? brilliant, bloody brilliant.
Sam2- i think he means that if there could be issues with negi’ah like mayvee liday hrhur etc., it would make sense to avoid those circumstances even if they are at the moment muttar, for fear of the possiblities. And, i think the truth is, this is whats behind all the arguements here. one camp seems to want to assur anyhting that could maybe someday efshar bring about some form of kilkul, and the other camp wont assur a thing till you can bring 10 rayyos and teshuvos that its vadai ossur vi’unsho karres.This arguent will not disappear and it stems from basic hashkafic differences, so its entirely unproductive. One is letter of the law and one is spirit of the law. thats all there is to it.
And lets say only one of your kids gets baptized. still so pareve on the matter? You are trying to further the agenda of a man who hated torah and HKB”H. And any taaneh you bring from Rav Kook will be answered the same way that R Gifter answered his deviation from standard torah haskafa- that he went crazy from his ahavas yisroel. Thus, you cannot bring a rayye from him. Open your eyes to the words of the gedolim from the last 60 years, the ones who saw the medina, what it stood for and continues to stand for, and based there decision accordingly. The gedolim who died before there ideals came to fruition would be appalled at what you think they advocated for.
The guys kids got baptized and married goyim. Is that mifurash in your S”A? (Lidaytcha that Hashem only opposes things that are written in a s’if and theres no concept of spirit of the law.) get a grip.
You also have the right to remain silent.
go to flyporter.com- they usually have sales for cheaper. also, google porter coupon codes and you can prob. get a good sale.
WIY- see my last post.what you see as being a mitzvah done in a way too fool the satan could just as easily being the satan fooling you. thats when the sage advice of someone who knows him better then you , ie. a rov, should be asked. dont make cheshbonos that fool you.
zdad- your bonkers. I dont mean retarded, like the insulting way. I just mean that you continue to lie to yourself abee not to admit that people who dont live like you arent fanatics and that youre at the pinnacle of service to Hashem. hein hein hadvarim:Get a grip.
if you really think this’ll help the shidduch crisis- the torah also talks about being b’saddeh and marrying her. Think we should give that a try too?
zdad- the absurdity of your posts warrants that they dont be answered. pba?
B’India??
maybe they figure you want sunday to spend out with your kids/grandkids. or that 6 years olds have an early bedtime.
zdad- you continuously shoot off your opinions while being totally informe; don’t presume to compare the situation here in EY and in America.
Gaw- im not sure how familiar you are with the transportation system in yerushalayim, but the bus isnt an occasional expenditure, its a neccesity for daily life, and, as such, cant be compared to a big mac. Boycotts will not work because there is simply no alternative- its not like refusing to by a braun- its like telling you not to shave ever again! (my apologies if you have a beard-you still get the point)
health- im beginning to understand.
the real question is: are you looking for a rebbe or someone to teach you how to learn. thats also your answer.
Gaw-as has been mentioned before, when the chareidim attempt to open their own bus lines, Egged, with their monopoly status, has enough pull to get transportation inspectors to shut them down due to obscure violations. In the end, the chareidim need to get someplace, and succumb to the neccesity of taking a bus.
MDG- would be a tough but im learning nazir.
How did Yehudah ascertain that tamar was jewish?
ive never been to one but the general concensus of people ive heard talking about it is that ther fans are rowdier and drunker then any other sport. that would point to bad.
Health- Never woulda guessed. Guess you camouflage your age too well.
bpt-clearly youve never had the balding smelly flabby-and-showing-it female drivers. theyre no fun either.
For the record i do see it being a problem if the driver is too chatty. btu hey, im an extremist.
Health- your a bochur in your early twenties ot late teens just oozing with the hashkafos that your heilig’ rabbeim have taught you and the razor sharp wit that hurreving for the last two years has earned you. get a grip.
Abe- They thouroughly support chillul shabbos and alternateive lifestyles. Do you actually want them to stand up and say they dont want a liofe that has any kesher to Hashem? They already lead the state like that; you should be able to discern their intentions and priorities without it being broadcasted. And for once, stop fooling yourself.
oomis- don’t hate.
He’s not in denial. smokers are generally not in denial.
Health- the way you pick apart every sentence is annoying.
Health- It’s unhealthy; everyone agrees. He’s just pointing out that presenting evidence in a way that shows an obvious bias makes people blow it out of proportion.
i dated in yerushalayim and you have no real options. sorry mister.
honestly. i dont mind people telling me how to post.
the Vilna Gaon says in a sefer that was written and published before the creation of the state that on that date in history, Hashem would give a special shefa to klal yisroel, so great that it could bring moshiach. But, adds the Gaon, the reshaim will sieze the moment, the frumme’ wont be able to take advantage, and something terrible will happen on that day instead. and so the state was born.
honestly, for an american goy, hes got a pretty decent record.
abe- that because there are enough people who smokers can rely on and fool themselves. ma shi’ein kein with lard. interestingly enough, lots of people frum your camp watch tv and movies knowing that theyre gonna end up seeing or hearing or thinking things they shouldnt, but also wont eat lard! who wouldve known.
Gaw- maybe he meant back then; not every family owned a car and it couldve been deemed a luxury, whereas today its an essential. to prove my point, R’ Boruch Ber was pointedly against people having telephones. you can see that today bnei torah do own them, and theyve mainstreamed. so cars could be the same. And why do you think that R’ aharons grandchildren and sons in law had less of an understanding of what he held then you? they all did and do support kollel.
Sam2- R’ Elchonon said that one who argues with a rishon is a shoteh. so, in theory, ya, you could step off the curb in to oncoming traffic. And really, R’ Akiva Eiger bleibs tz”i or Hashem yo’ir eynay rather then arguing with a Tosfos. You should feel a bit our of youe league here.
gaw- im offended. joke.
i dont think that anyone views a president as a moral role-model. I mean, its the top political spot in the world, lets get real. honestly you can make smart decisions for your countrys benefit and be totally immoral. it just makes you a terrible person.