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Bowwow- i got 404s on both links.
Wont help you now, will it?
Obviously its disturbing, maybe even wrong. But if youve ever been inside one of their houses, seen howe they live, and understand their situation, maybe youd give in a bit. I dont think anyone here can imagine and really feel the level of poverty these people deal with, unless youve spent a shabbos seuda there. When people in meah shearim have bochurim for seudos, they give each bochur a pulke of chicken, and the family eats the chicken from the soup. thats the main course. You try it. then try it for twenty years. Then see how you feel. Also, people in America prioritize their yiddishkeit according to their emotions. In other words, because these people bug you (admit it), youd rather pretend that your kavanah in davening is more important. When they come to your door on a weeknight when youre spacing out and have all the time for them, do you welcome them in or get irritated and open the door so your kids dont see you ignoring an onee. Imagine what you would do if your favorite (insert person you idolize here) walked into shacharis. Would you force your head down, because davening is so important. Or, would you figure out the most muttar way to somehow acknowledge the presence of said person. The idea is, do most people here mean what theyre saying, or does it work for them to agree. Now dont start yelling at me that im besmirching klal yisroel, I just mean that we all need to take a good hard look at our motives when we ignore the mishulach.
one peanut contains enough calories to climb 50 flights of stairs. Thats what my science book said in grade school.
Lubavitch. and chatzilim bitam kaved. yuch.
zdad-your arguments are always so compelling.
You can ask R shlomo miller shlita from toronto.
as an aside, my father dressed up one year as a woman. He wore a dress with a shaitel and put a pillow by his stomache. And he had a rather large moustache.
yit- the same rebbi who would be callous enough to do what he did, did many other things that deserved our dislike. I happened to have shteiged a velt from his shiur, but this was really insensitive.
Its muttar if its a troll.
Its muttar if its a troll.
idk, but my mother takes care when baking part of S”M to write the hechsher and yoshon.
Hardy boys are ok. Do not go to the juvy section in the library.
far east- And, obviously, I disagree.
They dont. It should be done only when sufficient evidence of a problem in the community arises. Take internet for example. You could surf all day and find nothing objectionable, but enough marriages and lives have gone down the tubes for rabbonim to assur internet without a filter in certain communities. And even then only with the guidance of rabbonim. This case, I think was done with little forethought, and, as such, I agree with you.
No. Ask a rav. its generally not a good idea in yiddishkeit to decide things you’re entirely unfamiliar about on your own.
Sam2- Old argument, remember? Letter of the law vs. spirit of the law. But, in this case, I totally disagree. This isn’t spirit of the law, this is nuts.
I have no idea what youre talking about. Care to elaborate?
Shakespeare’s works are full of innuendo and double-meanings. when i was in yeshiva no-one in the class got the jokes. i have a thing for language and chapped them, i would sit there laughing my head off, knowing that the RY’s son sitting next to me would turn purple if he’d chap.
I didn’t say the most bekovivke clothes known to Man. The standard uniform of a yeshivamann is comrised of clothes that (until the world lost its mind) were considered the most respectable everyday wear. I’m not arguing anymore, you get my point, you just want to nitpick.
Alcohol is extremely healthy when consumed in large quantities.
I think it’s typical gneivas daas and ill tell you why, from personal experience. One of my rabbeim, one that the shiur didnt like very much, came into class the day after with a big bag. He proceeded to call each bochur up to the front to pick out a treat from the bag, from the mishloach manos he had recieved. Now, had all the things been candies or the like, then fine, who cares. But that wasnt the case. This rebbi was older, and didnt eat junk food. He gave away all the stuff he got from our shiur back to the bochurim. My family is not steady financially, but my mother goes the extra mile on purim, to show our hakaras hatov to our rabeim. You cannot imagine my horror when the bochur at the desk next to me picked out the fifteen dollar box of chocolates that my mother worked three jobs a day to buy for the rabbeim. I was never so insulted and disgusted, so under-appreciated. It was callous and wrong. Hu’rayya, I remember this bitterly nearly a decade later. Ya so, I think its wrong.
The Gemara gimmel amud beiz is mifurash that you can make a kabalas nizeerus by using the lashon of nazir from one of the minim which are assur to a nazir.
apush- you clearly did not read my earlier post where i said that every attire has its proper time. if you feel the need to wear jeans when cleaning for pesach, fine. If youre a plumber, go for it. My argument about it being a lower class beged was for everyday use, if your profession doesnt require it. Glad to have made myself clear. The uniform thing shtams from the fact that its more bekovidik’.
Itch- big mistake. the gemara in nazir there is mifurash that the pshat why this is a kabalas nizerus is from a gzeiras hakasuv. a’s.
Ridiculous.
Halevi- a goy, when bringing a korbanm on behalf of a yid, is not considered the mayvee of the korban, which means either its for him or he gives it to the yid.
itch- please quote which perek and halachah.
apush- you just made up a word. congrats. no, they arent exclusive, but jeans are still a no go. theres a difference between self-worth and dressing the part of a ben torah. jeans dont qualify.
If you dont wanna go, dont.
Thats where the people go to shecht their nedarim and nidavos.
I think we are ascribing undue teefkeit to mr. yaakov shwekey.
pba- fine.
we paskin lo mihanee. by korban pesach that you shecht al hachometz- R’ Akiva eiger on the rambam and the shaar hameleh deal with the issue. A”S.
apush- The fact that the world has lost sight of how to behave in a bakovidik’ manner doesnt mean we have to. The same way you wouldnt wear shorts to kol nidrei; although permissible, it just doesn’t feel right. Lihavdil, a president or CEO who lacks chashivus for himself and wears jeans doesn’t mean that they are bakovidik. When the goyish world still had some morals you wouldn’t catch an executive out of a suit.
147-It’s feasible to have special shabbos attire, even if the colors are the same.
Logician- Although it’s true that one can reverse all the effects of an aveirah, the level of tshuvah which is required is extremely difficult. Why would it be better to be start off worse?
Didn’t read previous posts. I think your opinion is uninformed and emotionally based, not with torah values in mind. The chazah about balei tshuva omdim bimokom she’ein tzadikkim g’murim oimdim has many pshotim to explain your misconception, as it is very shver k’pshuto. In the parsha about nazir we learn that a nazir has to be yazir atzmo min hayayin because he saw a sotah bkilkulah. The miforshim all ask that it should be the opposite; a person who saw a sotah shouldn’t need a geder, and a regular person, who hasn’t had the impression made on him, should. The Brisker Rav answered in one line “Si kumpt nisht tzu der nisht zen.”, which, loosely translated, means that all the gedarim person can make after seeing something bad can’t bring him to the madreiga he could’ve been at had he never had a questionable experience.
Furthermore, the Ramchal in Derech Hashem goes through the concept of “kol hagadol mechaveiro, yitzro gadol mechaveiro”. He explains that people on a higher madreiga, in your case a person who was never exposed, have a greater yetzer hara to do the things you’re doing too, it’s just that they don’t allow themselves to fall into the situation where they’d be oiver. He brings a gemara with Abbaye (can’t remember where) who saw an am haaretz go into the forest with an unmarried woman and wasnt nichshal. Abbaye siad that he wouldnt have been able to be oimid binisayon. He explains that Abbayes yetzer hara was so great being that he was a kadosh vitahor, and he only wouldnt be nichshal because he never wouldve ended up in that situation. These people battle the yetzer hara on finer points, like wasting five minutes of seder, because the y’h knows he cant get them into a situation to be nichshal in cahamuros. But the yetzer hara is there, and theyre that much greater. So I think that people who never saw the dark side are greater if they push themselves just as hard as someone who was exposed and triumphed. Exhale.
Who taught you, how to use, aposatives?
Dash- Your post is reminiscent of the kid whos mother told him “In a second”, who promptly counted to one and then began yelling she lied. Get a grip. A person who remains a ben torah and identifies with bnei torah should, and generally will, continue to dress the part. Obviously, if you’re a plumber or carpenter then circnumstances don’t allow for that.
NOMTW- Its extremely annoying to see people who have no clue what theyre talking about who go about thinking they can explain the whole situation, roblem, and addiction to everyone else. Studies aheen studies ahher.
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Except i dont think you can make piggul al tnay. Its the actual machshava that passuls, so even if you want a tnay, you still had the machshava. look in pesavchim samech gimmel aumd aleph in tosofos and in shu’t achiezer chelek beis siman 34 (?)
DY- It happened with the bais halevi. As heard in brisk chumash shiur.
NOMTW- spot off.
stop blaming yiddishkeit. blame the choitah.
Logician- No, they have. I’m not arguing on the seriousness of the matter, I just think it’s funny to give smoking such doomsday terms. From his post above, you might think he was talking about Iran being capable of wmd. That’s all I’m saying.
Josh- Its a mussar theory. It doesnt mean we’re gonna give roshei yeshivos stars on their shoulders. Its a way to show who we work for full time.
mytake- i didnt try to convince you. im telling you what happened. take it or leave it.
Avi you continually post the single most ridiculous argument ive ever seen on this site. If a jew had invernted speedos and the nazi military uniform, would that make them beged ivri? besides we’re not talking about “beged ivri” (I dont even know what youre referring to) rather what a yeshivamann should wear that designates him as a full time worker for Hashem. so what in tarnation do you mean?
Just play that lipa song “mitzva gorreres mitzva” and youll chap how many orgs. there are.