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rabbiofberlin I was not implying that being a disciple or a chusid of rav shach and the rav of satmar is the only recipe in being a frum jew. heaven forbid, there are and were plenty of other great rabbis out there! I was only implying that having a president represent us without respecting the minimum element of toras moshe is in essence futile, and doesn’t do us any good on a international level. I know people will claim that it is not so, and the arabs couldn’t care less etc. I beg for facts please, I don’t think that’s true. I think you could see a pretty strong element of increasing anti jewish the more the secular jews represent us. And even the Rebbe of Chabad didn’t want the leaders of Israel being ignorant, or secular jews.
I think anybody believing this theory has to have their head tested. There are so much more intelligent women then men. Women don’t tend to brag, act arrogantly or even seek fame anywhere as much as men. Its the way Hashem made it, the men thrive on fame, are motivated by it, without it most men wouldn’t do a thing. Its not for nothing that you don’t see much women being leaders in klal yisroel, women don’t need this element to thrive, their much happier to do it in quieter, more constructive ways.
I agree that the N.K. platform doesn’t stand any ground, and it is totally in the wrong. And is certainly not Das Torah, and they are actually hefich das torah.
Now since Medinas Yisroel is not running al pe das torah either. And this borderline min Shimon Peres is representing us around the world, it is worth noting what Reb Shach said when he was maspid the Satmarer Rebbe said, thank you Satmir Rebbe for reminding us that the Medina is only Bideved, and it wasn’t created al das torah, and we only engaged in the political side of it because it was already facts on the ground, but we could still forget this important factor, so he thanked the Satmar Rebbe for remaining firm in his opinion of the bedeved.
Now the infamous N.K. is all wrong and by far, way more extreme then the Satmar Shita. But a slight point is a slight point. You wanna be blinded be blinded, but it is worth noting a slight point. The Arabs and the Goyim around the world think the majority Jewish opinion is inlined with Shimon Peres. And since they hear a secular voice, that doesn’t agree with the Torah, they sit and wonder what do these secular Israelis that are representing that Jewish people, what right do they have to hold a part of the land over the arabs. Arabs claim the Torah is truth at least, they make up that they are the chosen people after we were punished, which is absolute stupidity, but they claim that secular jews that don’t believe in the Torah definitely don’t have any claim to the land.
We must make sure Jews remain safe in Eretz Yisroel. But we must try to at least demand Jewish Torahdigi opinions are expressed by the leaders. Is this asking for so much? Why wasn’t there at least a machu on this matter? I agree with Zalmon on this matter, only I think a machu should be made as well.
I for one think the point was missed here. The point is that as Zalmon was saying, that this is a sad precedence here, a man claiming to represent The Jewish people, and well the world definitely mostly see Mr Peres as the representative of the Jewish people, and he’s preaching information which definitely is at least questionable! This man definitely isn’t the kind of man we would want representing us, and having the Arabs judge us by. Even the Prime Minister who’s not a religious Jew knows that when he is representing the State of Israel he has to keep his tone more inlined with Toras Moshe, but this man just couldn’t care less. And this is what the Neturai Karta is refering to when they say we don’t want the Goyim to think Jews have questionable opinions and borderline minis opinions. We don’t agree to most of the Neturai Karta platform, but on this they definitely have a slight point.