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תפילה- לשון יחיד
תפילין – לשון רבים
Not תפילותSee aruch hashulchan end of siman 472
Dy
Just in case you weren’t joking, ‘chareidim’ is a matzah bakery.Joseph
Its not a problem, See טיב גיטין שמות נשים אות ב’ ס”ק אPeople do yourself a favor and look in the shulchan aruch ev”h 129 the beis shmuel says it is a name for men and women. (As is the case with a few other names) its irrelevant who uses the name more.
People, do yourself a favor and look up שמות גיטין in שולחן ערוך אבן העזר סי’ קכ”ט the בית שמואל clearly states that the name is for men and women. (As is the case regarding a few other names). Its irrelevant who uses the name more.
For a comprehensive article about nusach in today’s sidurim check the introduction to לוח ארז להיעב”ץ שיצא לאור על ידי רבי דוד יצחקי, its on otzer hachochma.
Avi k
What in the world does “לשבר את האוזן is no longer used” mean?!! In the frum world, where the words of the rishonim and acharonim are learnt, its a common term. Even a little kid knows it from learning chumash rashi, (look in rashi on the pasuk וברוח אפך נארמו מים). Who gives two hoots to what the “academy” says. Your comment stinks of ignorance.
Besides the ibin ezra explains the term לשבר את האוזן, its with a si”n not a shin, meaning לסבר, and not “to breake” as anyone who knows a little tana”ch knows, that many words could have either a samach or a sin, for instance: חרס חרש, ang could mean the same thing.Are you actually trying to sell the seforim, or just having a nice time in the coffee room?!
Please post titles of the seforim.
Anonymous
You are obviously losing your mind. Not only are you conflating the arguments, (like sizes, not talking in middle davening ect.) You’re mixing up who’s saying what you are trying to write against, (writing against fake maven, for what deyenu wrote). Just take a nice big nap, and maybe you will start making some sense. Stop the ranting if you can’t answer fake maven (he may not be so “fake” after all!).Anonymous,
I came back to this coffee room topic, and i simply can’t believe the stupidty of your arguments. Remember, for someone who holds that this murex thingy is the chalzon, then he is mechuyiv מן התורה to wear it. Its not a chumrah to him but a must, a hundred times more important then ניפוץ לשמה. Anyone who has (real) techeiles and doesn’t want to put it one, is מבטל מצות עשה בידים, and might be עובר the איסור בל תגרע.
From the way you write it seems you probably don’t know the difference between a מנהג and מצוה דאורייתא. And you also seem to think that one mitzvah is more important then others.
The way you are portraying people that wear this techeiles, is disgusting. I personally know a few people who wear it, they are ירא שמים, don’t talk in middle davening, say krias shema בזמנו (and go with size 24).
Im not saying all the arguments pro sound right, but try talking דברים של טעם, instead of stupidty.
Another thing you don’t seem to know, המנהג להקל בניפוץ.Mm
“It was completely a one sided presentation”
Don’t know why you say that. I also watched it, they interviewed rabbonim who don’t agree with it.Gaon
It seems to me that you know you’re stuff, (unlike so many others) so you must have seen the teshuvah were Reb Moshe wrote that כל שטח לחוד has ס”ר (meaning acording to his shitah 3 million).Joseph, Reb moshe says that there three million people in boro park, thats obviously something someone …… told him, and not a census.
Gadolhadorah-
Im happy that at least someone agrees with me! (And knows what “to karg” means!)thinker123: What does “karg” mean?
Its Yiddish for being stingy. (I’m not sure if that’s what you want to know).
My point is that usually after a couple of years the retzuas are worn out and peeling\cracked. Its possible to repaint them but they still wouldn’t look as new. Look, When a suit gets worn out we get a new one. I feel that the same should be with retzuas. You may disagree, its just my opinion.Just a thought. People tend to spend money on mitzvos that come a few times a year, for example lulav and esrog, but mitzvos that we do every single day, we tend to “karg”. It is not right. The mitzvah of tefilin is a very important mitzvah, even thou in some instances after many years its still kosher, but its usually not nice, (and in many cases i have seen unkosher). I feel that if we would cherish the mitzvah, we would “upgrade” them more often.
Tzvi hersh
They also keep other mitzvos. Maybe we should stop keeping the torah ch”vubiquitin
“I am always eager to hear more. IF you dont want to help me find it . no problem there is always google. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.”If you really are interested I already told you were to look. My point is if your lazy to go thru the topic, I’m not going to help you.
“Cmon that is the weakest excuse. You cant possibly believe that.”
You have another explanation? It’s a fact the bigger the gadol the less time he has. And because almost all people when they hear about it, they don’t believe it, [until they research it themselves], the same with rav chaim he is not going to spend his time on it.
“We may be going in circles. But over a thousand years of mesora says so.”
Huh??!! Your not going to find someone who disagrees with you. But what does that have to do with it, its very possible that now we found it. [as the maharil says that its possible].
“and the again of course there is the inconvenient fact that most Gedolim today do not wear it.“
And again you keep on leaving out the inconvenient fact that most of the gedolim were not mevarer. And from those that were, most came to the same conclusion: techeiles is back!!
Regarding Rabbi Resiman. Just look on the mentioned website.
“you quoted the Beis halevei earlier. I found the source I was looking for
R’ yoshe Ber quotes from his Grandfather (The beis Halevi) in Shiurim Lezeicher Aba Mari, chelek 1 page 228 that we dont prove based on research, when a specific item is required for a Mitzvah. This is why the Beis Halevi rejected the Radziner’s techeiles and the principle holds true with the murex as well.
Dont feel bad if you havent come across this in your research, it in no way proves you never went thru the topic at all. It is a vast topic. With many dimensions. there is always more to share. and now you know.”The בית הלוי I quoted is in the teshuvas. Regarding what you are quoting, [realy sorry but a know it already]. I usually try not to waste time on all the brisker bubeh maises, especially when thy are not compatible with the letter the בית הלוי sent the radziner rebbe, what is printed his the sefer. There he says a slightly different reason from what is said in his name בבית בריסק, and changes the whole perspective, and would not apply regarding the murex. So no, if have to pick between what the בית הלוי said to what is said in his name, its obvious the latter is out the window. [as would every sane person].
By the way, I don’t know if I’ll be wasting more of my time debating someone who never went thru the topic.Joseph-
Please reread fakemavens comment. The fact is that rav aliyashiv was not mevarer the metzius, as he says himself in the mentiond letter. Secondly, one of his biggest talmidim, rav Carp, wears techeiles.Gadolhadorah-
“To argue we should follow some practice because it is not forbidden and MAY have some redeeming spiritual value and/or provide some segulah is borderline “new age” hashkafah along the lines of the “healing” properties of certain crystals worn around your neck etc.”
Please think before you write. We are not dealing with a segulah only a mitzvah עשה דאורייתא, that predates the creation of the universe. As I wrote before there is a חשש ביטול מצוות עשה דאורייתא, and the isur of בל תגרע , so of course who doesn’t want to play it safe. Besides it almost ברור that we are dealing with the real thing. [let me just ask: how many esrogim do you use??]
Das yochid.-
The simanei Chazal are a strong argument pro the murex trunculus.Apushita yid –
In the same vein we shouldn’t wear tefilin, there is also 4 shitos. [FYI: the Tur only brings down shitos tosafos, same with TAZ, and שו”ע הרב .]
Regarding the method of tying, its not מעכב.Das yochid- please explain what do you see in the ישועות מלכו. You cauld have put up all 3 teshuvos?? [The murex is not a cuttlefish.]
Iacisrmma-
“thinker123: I think that is the point. We can find the chilazon but are we sure we know it is the correct species?”
I agree with you 100% what im saying is that we cant brush off the whole thing because we don’t have a mesorah what is the chilozan. If after a careful research we find it, we have to wear it.
Now back to ubiquitin
“Im not familiar with the Mahril you mention”
What?? Anyone who learnt a little about this topic would know it. So no, I’m not going to help you find it. Just learn about the topic before you write.
“Even if it exists. halcha isnt decided based on what the Mahril held. R’ Chaim Kanievsky said it wont be found until Moshiach comes”
Pardon me, I think that the maharil is bigger then rav chaim. Do you realize that the Mahril is usually the mesorah of Ashknaz? But its irrelevant, rav chaim told a lot of people, if you hold this is techeiles, you MUST go with it. So how could you bring as proof to your point. [as is known rav chaim has sedorim back to back, so no, he never went through this topic which is תלוי in a lot of things that are not בין כותלי הביהמ”ד]
“chas vesholam to be motzi laz on gnerations of kala Yisroel. They were yotzi the mitzva as am I.”
They were yotzah, of course. But now if we found the techeiles we are מחוייב to go with it. [“as I am” ??? who says you were??]
“The halacha is techeiles eino meakev as halavan.”
If you would learn the topic you would see that it has nothing to do with it. There are clear gemaras that we see the חוייב to go with techeiles if its obtainable. Besides I quoted clear sources who say what I mentioned. So “its not mine” either.
“Plus there are no sources that disagree. So who can?!!”
Ruba deruba of Gedolim can disagree both past and present
Very well, find me one who [went through the topic and] argues with them.
“Also see DY’s excellent source. thank you DY for supplying it.”
Nothing new, your just proving the point that you never went thru the topic at all.ubiquitin
I read your comments and I can’t make any sense of it. What שייכות does יבום וכדומה have regarding this topic??!! Tzitzits is a mitzvah for everyone to do. Now even though a person doesn’t have to put on a beged with ד כנפות do become mechuav in the mitzvah, but once you are wearing a pair of tzitzis and you don’t put on techeles you are being מבטל מצות עשה בידים בכל רגע as though you are wearing ד כנפות without tzitzis!! The בית הלוי says clearly that in such a case that you have techeles and you only put on white its an isurr דאורייתא of בל תגרע!! In the sefer ערוגת הבושם from one of the בעלי תוספות it says that if a person only wants to go with white strings מכין אותו עד שתצא נפשו ככל מצות עשה.
So its obvious that your whole pshetle makes no sense.
So to rest of your words
There are clear sources that state matter of factly that the murex is the חלזון התכלת. For example רבי אברהם הרופא בספר שלטי גבורים, and the חוות יאיר בספר מקור חיים. Plus there are no sources that disagree. So who can?!!
All the gedolim that you mentioned none of the were מברר הדבר. As they say themselves. R`chaim says to anyone who asks him that if they are sure thag this is techeles they MUST go with it.
Anyone’s who is interested to study the topic should go to techeiles. org and see for himselfThe premise that a mesorah is needed to be מקיים the mitzvah of techeiles is contrary to the das torah of the Maharil and more who say that its possible to find the chilozon. ואידך זיל גמור
Gefilte
“not everyone agrees that the Avos kept the Torah before it was actually given, as there are many complications with that”
Well chaza”l or of the opinion that they did keep the mitzvos (though there is a machlokes exactly which, when). So i dont know what you’re talking about.
“After all, understanding the reasons for mitzvos often helps us determine who/when/what circumstances the mitzvah applies”
False.
We pasken לא דרשינן טעמא דקרא so it would not help understand who when what.
But still its limud hatorah to (try) to understand the mitzvos. Just its not on a practicle sence. If you’re interested in knowing the mitzvos in the practicle implaction just open a gemara and learn day and night. And so with a שו”ע doing That is sure to help understand the mitzvos. But not writing
in a coffe room!