TheBigOne

Sam2, We will have to disagree on that because the implication of your position is that a Jew who eats a bacon sandwich in an open cafeteria every morning is not committing a c”H so long as he is doing it because of his taaiva rather than trying to promote bacon as kosher. Regarding mishkav zochor, almost all its Jewish practitioners as well as a majority of its non-Jewish practitioners are aware that it is a violation of Biblical law.

But irregardless of that point I brought a second rationale of this transgression being promoted in an increasingly widespread and increasingly public arena to advocate it as normative and as acceptable as a normal lifestyle.

benignuman,

1. You think the rabbi that was in the news is of the paygrade where he can asses a case from its news reports and determine that it warrants killing Jews?

2. You wrote: “If there is a way under the law on the books to execute the terrorists that murder the three Jewish boys, I would support that as well.”

Why, then, is not your finding it acceptable to execute the Jewish teens only limited to “if there is a way under the law on the books to execute” (which you know there is not)? Why are you placing this limitation only on potentially executing the Arabs?

3. And most importantly, in regards to my last question, why are you suddenly hesitant and wish to limit the application of the capital punishment for the crime I cited to go strictly by the books whereas you in the previous case (of a Jew killing an Arab) were readily citing allowances the law makes to apply capital punishment even where the strict requirements were not met? Just as you indicated the punishment could be applied even where it didn’t meet all the technical legal requirements for its implementation, the same principles applies in the crime I used as an example. Yet there you are getting all shy about that application. I submit, perhaps subconsciously perhaps not, it is due to the current secular societal environmental views of how good or bad each of these two sins are, that leads you to these two different conclusions. As far as it being a c”H to punish those committing that crime, that is clearly not the case. It cannot be a c”H to enforce Torah Law just because secular society considers it to be a mitzvah something the Torah considers to be of the worst (and a capital) aveiras. As you well know, the crime I cited is now widespread, a condition traditionally cited in halacha justifying executing beyond the letter of the law. As far as your point that such a punishment would not stop it, if this punishment was carried out on a widespread basis it certainly would severely reduce the instances of the crime and would absolutely stop it from being committed with public impunity where those doing it are vocal and open about it. Furthermore, executing the Jewish teenagers would also not stop murder yet you didn’t let that bother you in not citing that as a reason against executing them.