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ridiculous!
When I walk somewhere, I never get stuck in traffic. My estimated walking time never doubled because someone ahead stopped to think which way he really wants to go, or to tie his shoe. When I drive, the duration off the ride can double or triple, depending on many factors, including others’ consideration. Blocking a car and causing him to miss a light is worse than making him sit idle for 30 seconds. It has a cascading effect.
HaKatan, how do the Arabs come into the picture? The land was never theirs. It was in the hands of the Brits who decided to give the Jews both sides of the Jordan, and retracted more than half of that to placate the Arabs. The land was mostly uninhabited until Jews came in the 19th century, which opened job opportunities for Arabs.
If anything, the fact that they made trouble against the occupying British can be pointed to.
It’s hard to say they were Dochek the Ketz. They did not Daven too hard for Moshiach. This Shvua is not a carbon copy of the other two.
You probably mean that it takes away Lo Sirdu Ba’umos. Perhaps. I am not arguing on that. Lo Yaalu Bejoma still might be an issue, since that has nothing to do with the Umos.
If you want to use the famous, not too powerful, argument that since the Umos broke their part we don’t have to keep our’s, I won’t argue on that either. It is the idea of disregarding a Gemara as irelivant that I take issue with.
I call it not too powerful since it didn’t help the B’nei Efraim.
147, what does all that have to do with Yom Yerushalayim?
The Shvuos are from Shlomo Hamelech, as I quoted from the Rambam. The explanation is from the Amoraim, after the Churban Bayis Sheini. The problem is Ad Shetechpatz. Navi or not, the issue is going up before the Zman Geula. All the Jews knew that the Galus Bavel was over. There were Divrei Nevua about that long before. Ezra is considered a Navi, and whether or not he is Malachi, Malachi was around to be asked. The Jews went, or were supposed to go, because it was a Zman Geula. As per the Rambam, and anyone else who wrote about Moshiach, the Zman Geula has not come yet.
So, when exactly were the Shvuos valid? Until when? Where is this visible or alluded to in that Gemara?
Sam, I see that bigger picture of you. To put it in HaKatan’s words, I am discussing the academic. As HaKatan pointed out, we know that the Rambam did not dismiss that Gemara, although that is still far from calling it a corner-stone in Judaism. I’m personally not convinced they were violated, albeit there was intention to do so. Even if so, the Steipler said that what happened, happened. I think that is the majority outlook, that was drowned out by the louder one. I don’t think the Chazon Ish’s problem was the Shalosh Shvuos. He had bigger issues with them than that.
GAW, for that you should have quoted my last paragraph, instead. I don’t think you’re right, though. He was in America. Although people here had strong feelings for Israel, the Shita wouldn’t really separate them from the general society. For that he could have yelled more about secular education. Besides, saying that he invented a whole Shita out of thin air,a as a trick, is surely disrespectful. This is a large leap from what I said, that the organisation was Passul and he backed up the Psul with Lomdus.
Many colonies have vacant bungallows. What kind of crowd are you looking for? Do you want a big place or a small one?
I wouldn’t say that a circumstance calls for a new outlook as much as a new application of the old outlook.
The Gemara talks about people getting married and then going off to learn. That is worse than Kollel.
Rejection of secular education is very, very old. Finding a particular Sefer that trumpets a certain thing and saying that this is your way, is not called following a Mesora. It is the downside of Torah Sheb’al Peh being written.
American Chareidim have no issue with learning secular (non-Apikursus) topics, while we associate with the Israeli Chareidim who are different from us. This is an example of different situations requiring different applications of the same Shita. What we won’t find in any of the most open-minded Rishonim, is the merit and requirement to study Avoda Zara and Apikursus, especially before Milo Kreiso Beshaas Uposkim.
The Kesubah is not an Halacha Sefer. It is an agreement. The ultimate responsibility for Parnassa never changed hands. When push comes to shove the man gets a job. Actually, we live in a society where most women work. So, what exactly bothers you about somebody’s personal arrangement.
Sam, it does sound very week. However, what if it’s not Halacha per se but something meant to be followed, as are countless other Medrashim? The Rambam does mention that Gemara in his letter. He says to follow the advice of Shlomo Hamelech. In other words, it’s like a so-to-speak Shvua. It is a warning that Shlomo Hamalech is giving with Ruach Hakodesh.
The Satmar Rebbe, as we know, referred to the Shalosh Shvuos like a De’oraysa of the strongest caliber. His answer to why the Rambam doesn’t mention it, IIRC, is that the Issur of Shalosh Shvuos is a form of Kefira in the Geula. Therefore, the Rambam didn’t mention this particular Gemara that outlines an Onesh once he mentioned Moshiach and the Emuna in a Geula.
I don’t think the problems began and ended with the Shalosh Shvuos. The Communists and Zionist groups pulled very large numbers of our youth away from Torah and Yiddishkeit. Most European non-Frum Jews left the fold during that period. The Rabbanim witnessed this first-hand. There was basically not a household that was not affected by the new Ruach. This is obviously the driving force behind all the Lamdus.
HaKatan, Rav Kook didn’t say that about himself. It was said about him by someone who doesn’t view such a concept as out of the question.
I don’t think Rav Kook viewed himself as a trail blazer. He noticed the trend of people populating Eretz Yisroel and expressed his approval. He considered himself part of the Yishuv Hayashan, and he never officially broke.
So, he would tell you that his Hashkafa was not influenced by Goyim, while those who don’t see that as such a big deal would agree to say that he was. Your question hits a dead end Mima Nafshach.
So how about just bringing them up?
How about doing a duet in middle of the night out somewhere on a boat?
I think we had enough mishmash.
HaKatan, you are quoting that about Rav Kook from someone who would easily say this about his own Rebbe or any Rishon and probably the Amoraim.
I sometimes get email from a daemon.
Truthsharer, there are other options, between Satmar and Zionism. I would love to see a wholesome discussion of what exactly were the Shitos of the Rabbanim in the Aguda, the Steipler, the Chazon Ish, the many different Rebbes, and all others, regarding all aspects of Zionism, the state and the Shalosh Shvuos.
You can lie to spare embarrassment.
The Pasuk in the Torah is talking about Eidus. When the Gemara talks about not meaning a promise you are making to someone we Darshen Hin Tzedek, that your yes should mean yes and no should really mean no.
Simple conversational lying is a bad Mida, and is included in the Pasuk in a general sense. On this the Gemara says that Kat Shakranim are not Mekabel Pnei Hashechina.
When a nosy person is intrusively asking you something personal, you do not have to answer. It is best to avoid or skirt the issue if possible, or try to give misleading or hollow answers. When left with no choice, having said something that isn’t true, when the person doesn’t deserve the truth, does not place you in the Kat Shakranim.
“ If they did, presumably they would have found a way to avoid the Holocaust and still keep everyone Frum.”
Not sure if you know, but Reb Elchanan was very well aware of the impending Holocaust with its full impact. He spoke about it. He cried about it. It was very vivid to him. I know of other Baalei Ruach Hakodesh who were very well aware of it. One Tzaddik spoke openly about ‘rivers of tears’ before anything began, and tried everything possible to expand Torah so as to avoid the coming Gezeira. The forces working against Torah were stronger.
I know how Ruach Hakodesh and prophesy are related, but what does Ruach Hakodesh or prophesy have to do with omnipotence?
The musical introduction. It is usually nicer than the song.
It depends on your intelligence.
He doesn’t interpret the Braysa about not to look at somebody’s field. He ignores it.
It sounds like it’s a Shayla that is supposed to keep you up all night.
They are now holding in middle of different discussions.
Sam, the Sefer Chasidim describes Ayin Hara as being akin to Kishuf. He says this regarding Tevilas Nashim with someone else around, IIRC.
The Ben Ish Chai makes the analogy to taking medicine too often. It will stop helping and it would take more effort to get rid of the decease. The same applies to being extra busy with Segulos to get rid of Ayin Hara.
Although the Rambam’s view on Sheidim has absolutely nothing to do with Ayin Hara, we do see that he ignores it in the Sugya of Shutfin Sheratzu Laasos Mechitza.
Actually, I don’t think the United States or anyone else is fooled. I think they don’t care. Nobody has a realistic vision of Yeladim Viyelados… Every new administration feels pressured to show that they are making progress in Peace in the Middle East. The Israeli government knows it will make no peace but are pressured to show that they are not the obsticle to peace. The trick is to try to talk more that you act and to procrastinate. I think Bibi is a great procrastinator, at least when it comes to giving away land.
The question is, who is everyone trying to impress? The Navi mocked us for trying to impress our neighbors in vein. The Medrash says that all those who tried making peace with the Bnei Keidar landed up with Bizyonos. The Rambam also mentions that you can’t speak peace with these people. I doubt anyone thinks you can.
Why indeed is Chaticha Asura not an issue? We don’t apply it to a Safek?
That’s a great answer. I didn’t realize that it is definite in the first case that you know where it is. According to your Pshat, if you mix up this one egg, then notice a spot, and then it gets mixed with others it will also be fine.
Very good point! Now, what about Dochka D’sakina if you bite your tongue?
What do you mean by that? When we had one whole egg in front of us we had to Pasken on it that it is Treif.
The egg would have to be Batul Beshishim, not the blood.
I didn’t learn through those Halachos, but to be Nosen Taam to what you describe we can say that once you had the Shaila on a whole egg and had to render it Traif, it is a Chaticha Asura and we aren’t Mattir Chad Betrei. On the other hand, when the Safek is born on the mix you can still ponder its Issur and add that to the Rov factor.
If parents are to blame then isn’t it better to grow up without them?
It must be that she was carrying a blimp. How else would she suddenly land beneath her luggage?
Sam, it is better to slander one anonymous girl than to slander a group in order to feed a negative stereotype.
That Mashal does not apply. Having a point in one area doesn’t prove all others.
What is the point of this letter? Is this just another place to argue, over and over, the chewd up topic of zionism? I started reading the letter anticipating some new nuanced critique that will exersice logic, critical thinking, and judgement. Instead, I found this stale topic.
If you want to start a topic on the exact Shita of the mainstream Gedolim on the state, Aliya, conquering, Shalosh Shvuos, gratitude, servitude, hate, Kiruv, acceptance, Tisha B’Av, Shofar on Shabbos, Korban Pesach, Har Habayis, who builds the Beis Hamikdash, natural Geula, Moshiach ben Yosef, donkey, eagle, go right ahead and good luck keeping the thread open for more than three days. I would actually enjoy such a discussion, since the opinion of the mainstream Gedolim is vitually unknown, in my opinion.
Doesn’t the shuddering take away your attention from lifeguarding?
Torah, it’s a Derabanan, not a Chumra.
Reb Doniel, oh that’s so easy. Easy as Be’asa Bekutcha.
Actually, British humor is like the sharp answer we all have a day after we needed it.
What if the cow has a head of an egg?
Parents mean both.
What would Popa sound like if he’d have to churn out a column every week, as opposed to whenever he comes up with something?
For what it’s worth, I can also attest that it is his real name.
The Chafetz Chaim didn’t always personally follow his own ruling, since he had a Messora. Don’t just pick a Shita. Discuss these issues with your Rov.
My doctor agreed with Health.
Popa, that practice was discontinued, though.
It doesn’t work on anyone by anyone. Some people respond to only certain practitioners. There is also such a thing as self hypnosis.
Lev Aryeh, did you make that iPhone smashing video as well?
Tosafos Chulin 61
True. I left out Tevi for that reason. I am talking about where his maid asked him Shaalos about what to do with Taharos since she had a Safek Tuma at one point between Bedikos.
So there’s a chance that he would rather remain an Eved than become a full-fledged Yisroel, yet I’m misrepresenting the Gemara when I say that “The Gemara says that not necessarily would a slave desire to be freed”?
I am also referring to the many anecdotes that include slaves. Shmuel compensated his maid, Rebbe’s maid was highly esteemed, Rebbe Shimon ben Gamliel’s would ask him intricate Shaalos worthy of a Yarea Shamayim. There are others that don’t come to mind right now.
I don’t know the desires of an Eved Kenaani of a Goy, nor does it make a difference. The Torah was not given to them.