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HaLeiViParticipant
Actually, perhaps this is a good opportunity to thank The Frog for alerting me to the switch. I could have been like the turtle who took a nap.
HaLeiViParticipantPopa, c’mon, just continue playing your part.
HaLeiViParticipantSo then I am a skinny, big fat jerk, I guess.
HaLeiViParticipantThis would make them unclean but not forbidden. If they were used for Avoda Zara then it would be forbidden, but with the advice of a knowledgeable Rov it can be dealt with. If it was buried with the dead then it gets more complicated.
HaLeiViParticipantI don’t know.
HaLeiViParticipantPopa doesn’t learn like the turtle; he learns like the hare. He runs ahead, takes a nap, and runs ahead again. Therefore, if he is in a different Masechta he can’t calculate how much to catch up, to be up to date.
HaLeiViParticipantRashi is explaining from where the idea of Bedika originates. It is because of Bal Yera’eh. In practice, once we are Mevatel there is no need to do a Bedika Mede’oraysa, and it is Mederabanan that we are Bodek anyhow.
Tosafos also explains that Bedika is necessary because of the Chomer of Pesach that we see in the Torah.
HaLeiViParticipantHey one minute! So then it’s Challah Min Ha’isa. Unless you are Mechaleq between the Pe’ula and the Challos…
HaLeiViParticipantPopa, the order of the Daf Yomi is just like the Seder Hamishnayos. Look at the Meforshim there for a reason.
My Tfilon app made the same mistake like you, so two great minds…
Anyhow, you’ll probably have more time on Chanuka to catch up. Now you see how important it is to Shmooze here about the Daf.
HaLeiViParticipantSo he struggles with white shirts, too?
HaLeiViParticipantThe way I understand that Rashi is that the Neshama Yeseira causes the mind to broaden. The Gemara in Gittin says that you shouldn’t eat till your stomach is completely full, because if you get angry it pumps up your stomach and can harm it. So, if there is no danger of getting angry, thanks to the Neshama Yeseira, you can eat much more.
HaLeiViParticipantSo according to some, you’d have to also make a Borer Minei Mezonos.
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HaLeiViParticipantFancy words but bad sentences, in that translation from the Zohar Hakadosh — which is an odd idea in the first place.
Anyhow, Yalkut Reuveini is where I got what I mentioned earlier, that the Satan was tricked into thinking Esav was Dovid and was told that he will get him.
HaLeiViParticipantIt depends if we are Gores it here in Yoma. I mean, it doesn’t look like Rashi is Gores it, since he explains how we learn from the Pasuk to apply it all over. This will answer Tosafos’ Kasha as well.
HaLeiViParticipantThen how can you catch the ants?
HaLeiViParticipantAs somebody once asked, you are saying it for 50 years already and you still can’t get it right?
HaLeiViParticipantOh, HI! But what happened to your signature?
HaLeiViParticipantSo I guess we still didn’t grow out of it.
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November 20, 2013 12:05 am at 12:05 am in reply to: [Bumped] 11/18/13 – 7:29 pm (EST, Earth) #990162HaLeiViParticipantIn one day I see you are Doresh three names.
HaLeiViParticipantThanks! Finally someone singled (or is that, multipled) me out.
November 19, 2013 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm in reply to: ERROR: Could not establish a database connection #997621HaLeiViParticipantPerhaps some lucky hacker chanced upon the IP address of the database, if it is different. It could also be as zdad said, that there a lot of new visitors. While the hosting server can accommodate this the database engine might be less equipped. This has happened in the past.
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HaLeiViParticipantLABoy, How can I get hold of that, BTW?
November 19, 2013 7:37 am at 7:37 am in reply to: A story about Everybody, Nobody, Anybody, and Somebody #987881HaLeiViParticipantWhat about busybody?
HaLeiViParticipantHey ‘lil, are you Mitalmidei Shel Rebbe Meir?
HaLeiViParticipantRabbeinu Bachya says that giving your parents is the best kind of Tzedakka.
HaLeiViParticipantGreat idea. Give them extra on Erev Shabbos.
HaLeiViParticipantYou might be a bit too judgemental. Don’t worry though. There really are such people. It is still a possible achievement.
HaLeiViParticipantWhy in the world are you conflating Agaddah and science? You wouldn’t get this reaction about science. There are parallel conversations here and as I said, it was not a good idea to hold them side by side.
Saying that they weren’t aware of non-Torah concepts that they couldn’t be aware of has nothing to do with questioning their Torah. Melagleg Al Divrei Chachamim is an Halachic problem, and it applies to Agadda. We don’t Pasken Halachos based on Agadda, but that has nothing to do with rejecting it.
If I find a concept about Darkei Hashem in a Sefer of a famous Achron, while I might want to learn how he came to that conclusion, I wouldn’t say, this is disturbing; what are his sources.
HaLeiViParticipantLook in Shem Hagedolim. I think it is sometimes attributed to Rav Chamai Gaon, but I recall that historians have issues with that.
I really don’t think it said about him, Talmid Ha’ari.
HaLeiViParticipantWrath? He said your words are ‘disturbing.’
You also asked, oddly enough, what Rav Huna’s sources are. How does that square?
HaLeiViParticipantItche, the Arizal spoke highly of it but it is not from his Talmid. It’s from an early Rishon or perhaps a Gaon.
HaLeiViParticipantLayzer, they’re the problem!? Just read the negative comments here and elsewhere about Meshulachim, and all the wisecracks that Avaryanim managed to throw at an Ani. The fact that they have to invest so much to run such a campaign in order to get some Tzeddaka shows that a typed up sign in your Shul would not get you to donate.
In the ideal setting there would be no dinners, chinese auctions, colorful brochures, painted trucks and nagging Gabbaim. All we need is a note of what this organisation does and we’ll be knocking on their doors. Collectors shouldn’t need to go around the Shul. There should be a nice table set up for these Me’asim and everyone will come over and give Tzeddaka while smiling and nodding a thank you.
In this area there is a real Olam Hafuch. Those who spend every extra minute trying to make more money denigrate those trying to keep a Yeshiva afloat or sustain their family as money hungry.
HaLeiViParticipantHa. The quiet ones are the ones you don’t hear about.
HaLeiViParticipantUm, how do we take back one chair?…
Simple, pull up a chair!
HaLeiViParticipantSam, it looks like the bird reference was borrowed to show how things aren’t black and white.
The thing with not being seen is not optimal. It works when you say that something that you can’t see is not Assur and was not included in the Issur of the Torah. It is quite another thing to say that if you can’t see a phenomenon then it doesn’t happen, to the extent that the one it pertains to is considered to be in another class.
The funny thing with the Pachad Yitzchok is that if Rav Yosef is wrong then we should be Meikel, not Machmir. We Pasken like the Chachamim so if there is no difference between the Kinah and other bugs we can kill them all. YIPPEEE!!
HaLeiViParticipantDaas Yochid, who wrote that?
This whole issue has nothing to do with ROB, and I think it was actually an inappropriate thread to discuss this this it confuses the two topics.
To say that your Rebbe did not know about something uninvented in his time is fine. To say that you understand Torah better than your Rebbe is not.
If you have a Kasha because something sounds like it doesn’t add up, try to find or come up with a Terutz. If you can’t, try an Okimta. My own Okimta is that even if playing ball wasn’t literal Chillul Shabbos, they has major leagues on Shabbos, which is Mechallel the spirit of Shabbos and Yiddishkeit. The Rambam warns about Shabbos and Yom Tov not to turn it into a hang out day.
HaLeiViParticipantWhat’s the deal with emails and URLs, is the issue about automated robots or for privacy reasons? I notice that without the dot and the @ there is more lenience.
There isn’t any leniency. We don’t let emails through as part of the not contacting others policy. If an email is verified and useful and not posted as a link, sometimes a mod will let it through. Usually it’s a mistake.
HaLeiViParticipantThat is the way I understood it as well. While it is true that some Rishonim say that they are created from sweat, the Gemara does not say that.
The Gemara actually says elsewhere (BB 74b) that everything in this world comes from male and female. The Zohar Hakadosh also says this. This Gemara can parallel the Sugya in Chulin where we say Minei Kagavli, that it grew only from the fish. We apply this to an animal that is nursing, as well.
I said earlier that we shouldn’t say about Chazal what they didn’t say about themselves. They tell us that their Mekor is from the Mishna or Braysa and Masa Umatan. They never quote outside sources or went to ask unless it was for a timely issue. The Sugya in Pesachim, on Amud Aleph, is a very good example of that; one Braysa after the next. We often see how Rav Popa or other Amoraim derive anatomy or other facts from the Mishna. The Tannaim themselves had a big Mesorah of Halachos, and some where able to Darshen certain facts from the Torah, too.
The Rishonim clearly quote outside sources and are therefore limited to that. And yet, we still know that since it is written with Ruach Hakodesh, although they assumed certain facts that they heard, we can often find the truth from within their words.
There is therefore a very big difference between the words of Chazal, who were actually careful not to accept what they heard, and the later generations when they had to turn to outside sources, as the Rambam writes.
HaLeiViParticipantOne piece of good advice is to speak to a Rav about exceptions. In my Kehila, Aveilim partake in Simchas Purim.
HaLeiViParticipantRashi attaches it to Chanukah. There is more than one version of Maasah Yehudis. The expanded one has the taste and smell of a plagiarized fake. It has the whole Nusach Hatefillah of the Jews and of Yehudis. The whole Nusach doesn’t match up to any of our Peyutim or Tefilos. It is a conglamoration of Pesukim.
HaLeiViParticipantDaas Yochid,
Wonderfully put. I translate Ubriso Lehodi’am that He makes it His business to let them know.
HaLeiViParticipantWhen Amorraim spoke they weren’t speaking off the top of the head. They weren’t sharing theie musings. Rebbe Yochanan says in Shabbos about the Pasuk, Emor Lachachma Achosi At, that you may only say something when it is as clear to you as the Issur of marrying a sister. Rebbe Yochanan also famously scolded a Talmid for having a hard time believing a Drush that he derived from a Pasuk.
Mikra Ani Doresh is the final word. Rebbe Meir almost had Rebbe Gamliel removed from his post with a Drasha from a Pasuk.
HaLeiViParticipantSam, who mentioned Mesora? When the Gemara learned from a Mishna that honey is not from the body of the bee, that wasn’t a Mesora. That was Limud Hatorah and Okimta. The Maskana is what’s important. That is Torah Shebal Peh.
Some things are Mesora and some things aren’t. The Gemara tells us where things come from. When it is from a Braysa they tell us and when it is from Karchei Hayam they tell us, and disregard it at times.
Rebbe Eliezer taught Rebbe Akiva in one instance 300 Halachos on Koshir Keshu’in, which was a fraction of what he was Mekabel. Many facts come along with such a big Kabalah. They did not study future science, but the Ben Ish Chai says that they knew certain things because of the Sod, but not necessarily did they know geography.
I’m aware of that approach about the medicine Gemaros. It might be from Rebbe Akiva Eiger. That is the mainstream view of most Bnei Torah. I am merely suggesting that there is a very big difference between those and other Sugyos, and that Rav Shrira Gaon was referring to these Sugyos since it is in fact one place where they actually did get it from their contemporaries.
HaLeiViParticipantROB, I’m not sure what you saw in my words, but do you believe there will be diamonds double our hight Le’asid Lavo?
HaLeiViParticipantSam, the Sugya in Pesachim is a far cry from a scientific conversation. We all watch the sun going down, and they just felt compelled to say that it goes up? Why is there a Chachmei Yisroel opinion in the first place? The Jews had to set up their own observatories? (Besides, from our perspective it goes North, which is considered up as Rashi explains by the Meraglim IIRC). Also, the old excuse is that they got their science from the Goyim — although they neglected to ever mention that fact, and “Tanya” is hardly an allusion to a contemporary Goy. How does that square with this Gemara?
The salamander is a Mesora. It says it about Chizkiyahu. I’m sure you aren’t saying they made things up. Slifkin mentions in his book that there is a type of newt that can survive a fire for some time by oozing a jell. He then goes on to disregard that and says that he feels like an athiest in doing so. Let’s not confuse what the Rishonim mention with the status the Gemara gives it.
The mice might be about half decomposed mice or it can be about something from hearsay that they decided to discuss. I don’t claim that they knew all science. But their Torah is true and what they were Mekabel from Braysos or derived from them is true.
The medicine Gemaros are indeed what they heard from local travelling merchants. That is acually not followed. The Gemara in Avoda Zara says already that an Amora tried one of them and it didn’t work. Another merchant gave him different advice that helped.
This is what Rav Shrira Gaon is talking about when he says that they are not our doctors. They decided to include contemporary medicine Letoeles Harabim. These are not (at face value, at least) a Kabalah.
You can even find where they Paskened a certain Shayla based on a doctor’s Tevias Ayin, but not a Halacha Ledoros.
HaLeiViParticipantOne more note: Being Mechanech her was her parent’s job. You weren’t Mechanech your friends, don’t be Mechanech your wife. You can use your display of appreciation to convey what matters more to you.
Witholding it for a lesson is the worst reason to do so.
Shanna Rishona is actually about making her happy, not the other way around. I don’t know if you are aware of your own shortcomings or not, but people have these things. If it turns out that it will remain this way, work around it or with it.
You didn’t really gain each other’s confidence enough be able to discuss disposition changes without sounding (or feeling) like you are having second thoughts about the marriage.
HaLeiViParticipantPlease don’t use your great upbringing against her. Think of it this way, it is her feeling to have help and it iss your feeling not to. Why is one feeling better than the other? Go with the Meikil.
Although she says now that she’ll always need it, it doesn’t mean anything. You can’t imagine enjoying stake when your stomach is aching. And even if it turns out that she will always need it, back to the first sentence: don’t use your great upbringing against someone else.
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