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Popa, take it however you want, but I thought this was started by the Frog.
That is why the Minhag (of those who put on both) is generaly restricted to Rabbeinu Tam.
As to your earlier question, I understand it the way I understand many Derabanans. Until the Rabanan codified and solidified the Takana people did the Mishmeres Limishmarosai on their own and applied it according to their conditions. Perhaps with this too, it was never a crystalized Shita and there is an Inyan to both. Some did one way, some did the other way and others did both, or more.
This is why it was possible for Rashi and Rabbeinu Tam to argue about it. There were many varying Mesoros and both of them set out to set it straight once and for all.
The same is said of the Shvarim and Truah. There were two Mesoros and the Gemara says that we do both due to the Safek. But the Zohar Hakadosh says that there is an Inyan to both.
The Rambam says that the reason we use 12 is to be able to break it into thirds or fourths. This is the reason for the special number, 360.
Twelve hours of the day is based on astronomy and astrology (back from the days when they were one).
So they wore it non-Pashut Pshat. It is actually mentioned in the Tekunei Zohar, BTW.
Since we are actually made of higher stuff, and we know innately that we are meant to live forever, we feel the desire not to disappear along with the body. From the beginning of history people were obsessed with leaving an everlasting memory.
As explained here:
It is a fight for survival of your everlasting element. But, Mitzvos and Massim Tovim are what actually give a person what he needs to be everlasting.
Interviewer: Why did you choose to come here.
Student hopeful: Because everyone knows that this is the best place.
Interviewer: Indeed. And that is a very profound answer. You are in!
Numbers are far from infinite. They actually only go up until 9 (or F in base 16). The fact that theoretically you can keep putting on numbers and reciting more of them is no different from any other aspect to which we plug in infinity.
Created objects can’t be infinite but conceptually there is nothing wrong with a concept being infinite. There is nothing real about it. While travel-able space might in fact be limited, theoretically space can go on and on. This is because the idea we are describing is not a created reality that is contained within its given limits. It is a form of measuring. It never actually happened.
I don’t know why my being careful should bother you.
No. But his Mezuza was on a slant, like ours, according to the Yerei’im.
Isn’t it too bad? We don’t call Germans Duetch. We give them the English name. The Russians have a Russian name for them. Israelis call the US, Artzot Habrit (how would Israelis like if we call them Brits?).
Nobody would say something in Gehenom’s name. It might have the same definition in the dictionary but it doesn’t mean the same thing. The same goes for many other words. When I use one word my head is in the Beis Medrash; when I use the other word, my head is in the bathroom.
Not onto a Chamor?
Not being judgmental does not mean to equate your ideas with theirs. It means to simply be non-judgmental.
We don’t tell our children that what we are doing is not important and they could just as well be doing what the others are doing. We teach our children a much stronger message, that although what we are doing is actually very important, these nice people don’t do it and it is none of our business.
Chashmal means amber according to the Targum Shivim. Yechezkel said ???? ????, like the amber color within a flame. Electron means amber in Greek. Static electricity was first observed by the Greeks with amber, which is how electricity got its name. So I think this is a very Shticky choice on the part of Gordon / Ben Yehuda.
Relitively.
Are you saying that mentioning that the libels are false will cause anti-Semitism?
Yitay, I had that same question. Add that to my list. Also, if it was dangerous to be outside, as it probably was on any other holiday, people wouldn’t go out. You don’t have to make such a Takkana.
Why couldn’t they establish a much better Minhag, to stay in Beis Medrash all night just light Shavuos? The Gra advises to learn at home all the time, so I gather that people were able to do so. I also know that even if people didn’t have the whole Shas, they had Seforim. This “trick” of not learning is the last thing you’d come up with if you simply want people to stay home. In fact, if the Minhag would simply be to Daven Beyechidus, people would stay home and learn there. And again, this Minhag actually caused us trouble rather than the other way around.
One more question I have is, aren’t we talking about a ghetto? What are Goyim doing there?
Why was this Minhag in Hungary, Poland and Russia? The conversation of trying to figure out where this comes from goes back at least 200 years, since the Chasam Sofer quotes his Rebbe on this topic (and guess if he said it is just a way to stay home).
It’s one thing to think up thoeries, and it’s a lot of fun. But taking that as the reason, so much so that you can uproot the whole Minhag, is going very far. Look, if you don’t have this Minhag (anymore), I wouldn’t advise you to take it on, but mocking, or being bothered by an ancient Minhag Yisroel is unacceptable.
This should be put in perspective with the fact that much of what is being done instead of learning (playing chess, taking it easy) is often praised by some of the same people who are against Nittul as worthwhile endeavores.
I don’t think you have to work on yourself for this particular behavior.
It would probably be fun spending time in court or congress.
Because, as it says, R’ Chaim Al Tzavaro Veyaasok?
Golfer, the Megilas Taanis mentions 9 Teves without saying what it’s about.
Who was Mettamei the Matzeiva that the Avos used? Anyhow, you are responding to what you’ve heard elsewhere, because I did explain it somewhat differently.
Why is your Rav wasting Shiur time to talk about other religions if he holds you should learn on Nittul?
The word Nittul is a twist off the word they called it, which means birth, whether or not he was born now.
Back-engineering a Minhag is a nice thing, until you use that to uproot it. Perhaps it is a good time for refflecting that Torah is Kedusha and we don’t want any part in unholy Torah.
I use the word Nittul as a Remez to this. Chazal say, Kol Hayesser Kinittul Dami, an extra growth on a vital organ is the same as a part missing. Since the birthday boy added, we equate that with taking off.
If it would be about Sakanna alone, it could have become a time for any specific activity instead of Batallah. A Tefillah, Dreidel, Seuda or even simply to learn at home. In fact, this Minhag might have been dangerous itself. It was used in debates to show that we engrain hate and mock them. It is the Yeshivos that dropped this along with any Hanhagah not explicit in Halachah Seforim, and Inyanim per se were and are frowned upon. This reminds me of the debate in Yeshiva about learning Mishnayos for a Niftar. The Chasidim were Taaning that if you don’t like Inyanim you should learn Ketzos for a Neshama.
Where do you see that about Paroh?
There are two other points. This rule wouls only apply to a meal, since that is when foreigners would eat lamb meat. It was probably a general rule and not limited to when they are actually eating meat.
The other point is that it says about the Jews, Halallu Ovdei Avoda Zara. They weren’t foreigners anymore.
Oomis, look at the Targum by Yosef. They wouldn’t eat a meal together with foreigners since they would be eating what they worship. It always amazed me that they had such religious tollerance.
Anyhow, the Medrash is plain to see, in Rabbah and Tanchuma.
Do you mean Reb Nosson Adler’s reason?
Yeah, those kindergarten stories. Why don’t they teach us the Maharal that it didn’t separate in the strawa just that for the Mitzri it was blood andd for the Yid it was water. No changing.
Another analogy. Will you take the train or the ferry to Manhattan tomorrow? You don’t know (yet) and neither do I. But it is surely only one of them, and we will both (if I stalk you) know tomorrow.
Let’s say you pick the ferry (good choice!).
Even today it is true that you are going to pick the ferry. We can’t know this, but it is the fact. However, it is a truth about your choice. Your choice is forever, in that sense.
This is essential to understanding why being above time makes a difference. When someone hears that Hashem is above time, he can say, “Well I’m not, and if He knows what I’ll do then it’s decided already.” Therefore, the above is a first step to understand this.
Popa, so you really did become a Moony!
All three. Young, without children, Olam Habaless.
There are different types of Kares. There is Kares, Ariri, Misa Bidei Shamayim, and double Kares.
It is far from a Chassidishe Minhag. The Chasam Sofer had this Minhag as did the Shaagas Arye. It was not in Sefarim for obvious reasons. It was in Litvishe places too, but the Yeshivos ignored it.
Sam, only the Teimanim aren’t Sefardim, and nobody considers them such. The shape of the Sefer Torah is the dividing line.
I know, what’s the big deal with tying your tooth to the door? It’s a necessary process. Also, a kidney transplant without anesthesia is worse.
Well yallili only gives two options. (Yes, an example of “Jewish” music.)
Mordechai also had another name. He is Malachai. It’s a cute theorya that those names were like present day Hebrew/English names but it only accounts for two names, not seven or even three. Also, why would the Remez in the Torah be about his Persian name?
Do people really name after their AZs? Are there nercurys and rathos around?
Outside of outside.
Sam, I really don’t think it was a Hebrew name/English name thing. What about Avigdor, was that his Midyan name? What’s his Kush name (if…)?
People sometimes wonder what the source is for Gezel Shinah. But it is a Mefurash Mishna, ?????? ?????…
In music, we must now write, Specialdando.
Q: Girls, where do we say in davening, “Let us see with our own eyes”?
A: Uh, “re’ey na b’onyeinu”?
(Heard by Haleviah from a guest lecurer in seminary.)
That might address the earlier issue the Rambam brought up — Hechrach and Bechira. The world is complex enough and HKBH gets His way at the end.
It is for Sanhedrin to judge him, but they usually can’t. Where did you see Rachavam being referred to as a Rasha?
If you think there is intermarriage when it is easy to be a Frum Yid, do you think it will happen less when people the desire to be like the outside will have physical reallity?
By the way, besides for Kehuna and Melucha, Srara is supposed to be through votes. Chazal say that although Hashem chose Betzalel to be in charge of the Avodas Hamishkan, He told Moshe Rabbeinu to get the votes of the people.
This is actually a classic case of Ha Lan Ha Lehu. For the crowd that the Rambam is addressing it wouldn’t suffice not to bring it up, and for those with whom the Raavad associated there is no reason to introduce these patterns of Chakira.
As an aside, the Rambam mentions that the full answer is long and complex with many introductions. At least part of getting the fuller picture is understanding the concept of time being a self contained created reality. This comes with a slew of new questions that have to be addressed. It requires another way of thinking. This is why the Rambam says here that although he can’t get into the whole thing, just keep in mind the punchline, that questions about knowledge are based on our understanding of knowledge and in actuality this does not apply to HKBH.
Put it this way, the conundrum of Parah Adumah doesn’t really eat me up since I really understand Tumah in the first place. Perhaps if I would know what Tumah is all about, and why and how the Parah gets rid of it, the question of Metamei Es Hatehorim would fall away.
Here too, we know that we don’t understand how Hashem knows the future (I mean, He’s not a Navi) and we can’t even define what His knowledge really is, either. Therefore, questions about things that you don’t comprehend don’t apply.
Hey! What are you doing by Aggadah?
Say Parshas Ha’azinu. Daven for Emuna and speak out clearly to the Ribbono Shel Olam and yourself that you believe in Him and you won’t let go.
Truth is that the Rambam actually writes that the answer is long and complicated, although he mentions that Yesod that Hashem’s knowledge is not acquired like ours is, and that we can’t ask the question as long as we know that we don’t grasp the concept.
fkelly, I figured it gets thrown into every category anyhow. If I’d believe all the diagnosis in the Heimishe papers I would have Asperger’s, ADD and schizophrenia.
Good point, DY. Ocean Parkway is an accident prone place. Perhaps it’s because of the high curn and narrow lanes.
Thanks, Kindly Mod.
By the way, the above time Terutz answers it very well, to an extent.
One way of putting the question is that if my knowledge of your choice is like Syag mentioned, due to knowing you very well, then, perhaps unbeknownst to yourself, you aren’t really deciding. So instead we are answering that the prior knowledge is only based on the choice.
There is only the issue of saying that in some way, you are affecting Hashem ChV since you changing what He knows or knew, and it’s as if in some way He had to wait for you to find out. This is where the Rambam comes in, telling us that His knowledge is not gained the way ours is.
edited for clarity