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HaLeiViParticipant???? ????? means Jews. The Rambam and the Ramchal are both dismissing this view. There are enough differences between the Rambam and Ramchal. You don’t have to force a wedge where it doesn’t fit.
HaLeiViParticipantProbably Bava Basra, in this pattern.
HaLeiViParticipantMoshiach is coming today. My proof is that you don’t believe me. What greater Hesech Hadaas than that?
HaLeiViParticipantI have seen people that were never into toys until these things came out. I’m not really sure what it is about these objects, but there is something about it that pulls mature people into the wirlpool. Not just smartphones in particular, but as soon as camera phones came out you had grown ups going around snapping pictures of everything. Perhaps it is the cuteness of an all-able tiny device, and we are wired to like cute things.
HaLeiViParticipantBut that’s backward. Koach Deheteira means that if you were Meikel then you were obviously really sure of your opinion. Beis Hillel held what they held because that is the conclusion they came to, not because they were looking to be Meikel. Their Kula in Tuma is a Chumra in Treifos. Was it a flip of a coin which one they’ll be Meikil on?
HaLeiViParticipantCan I ask why you brought Beis Hillel into this? They have no say in checking strawberries.
March 27, 2014 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm in reply to: Can anyone help? Dont Judge a Book by its Cover… #1009603HaLeiViParticipantThanks for the credit, Besalel. But as you see, until you wrote what you did nobody understood the reference.
March 27, 2014 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm in reply to: Can anyone help? Dont Judge a Book by its Cover… #1009600HaLeiViParticipantThere’s also the Pasuk in Yeshaya about Lecha Simla.
Tapuchei Zahav Bemaskios Kesef.
Gam Evel Macharish Lachacham Yechashev.
Ve’es Hachazir…
HaLeiViParticipantSofar we have three levels on the table. 1 – Stories like Chanan Bisha, 2 – Stories like that of Sasson and Simcha, and 3 – A regular Maamar Chazal. On the first I can agree to disagree. If you want to learn that a funny story is just that, fine. About the second, I tried to convince you that it doesn’t make sense to say it was put there to be funny. But the third type is beyond.
HaLeiViParticipantWhat in the world are you stringing together?
The Rambam’s approach to most supernatural Gemaros, which the Me’iri followed, is not a secret. They explain the whole Sugya of Kamei’os similarly, that it is to calm the sick person. What has this got to do with the Gemara saying nonsense?
The referenced Shita is that even if Chazal didn’t actually believe in the superstitions they deal with, instead of trying in vane to eradicate the belief they worked within its framework. From this you want to jump seven steps and say that while learning a particular Mishna, an Amora decided to chime in with a joke? Doesn’t this go against Venofes Tetufena?
HaLeiViParticipantTell my kids to help.
HaLeiViParticipantI am fine with most of your examples, but I am repulsed at taking a statement of an Amora as a joke. R”L. What’s so funny? Any Drasha that’s above you is a joke? I’ve seen this attitude in the seforim blog and was likewise repulsed by it. If you want a good explanation of Reb Yosef can find one in the Semichas Chachomim. (We can start a new thread here to collect good and/or silly Pshatim.) Do you really think it is a Stira for Moshe Rabbeinu to have written about himself that he was an Anav? Did he really not realize that he was the greatest Navi? In order to be an Anav, do you have to fool yourself? Was Rebbe Shimon bar Yochai violating the requirement for Anivus when he stated his achievements? (Please don’t tell me that was also a joke.) Was the other statement about Yiras Shamayim also a joke?
While I do think there is a point and something to learn from everything you mentioned, either hidden or subtle, that is not so much my point. It was with these examples in mind that I purposely referred to our story of Sason and Simcha as Narishkeit. If there is no point to it then it is just a weird story of two silly people. On the other hand, if you take the story of the mother in law, it is an incident that you can do without but does relate something that happened. It is an illustration of what the gemara just said, that the Plaiton oil is dangerous. Chanan Bisha is likewise an incident about the Din, although there seems to be nothing to take from it. The story in Pesachim about Mayim Shelanu does show you how he used Lashon Rabbo even though it wasn’t what people were accustomed to. It also shows you their Temimus. But none of these are off topic silly stories of silly people, as in three-guys-walk-into-a-bar. This one is.
I understand your point of the style of a Drasha, but that’s what I was referring to by asking if you think the Gemara is a live recording. They might have sprinkled their speeches with humor but the jokes didn’t have to be written down for eternity. The Gemara is not a speech; it is an edited and streamlined edition of the Torah that was taught.
HaLeiViParticipantThe Gemara began with that but went on to talk about purposely being cryptic in order to train your family to think. Definitely typos, or writos, crept in. I am responding to what you are implying, that even the Amoraim didn’t put much effort into retaining it.
On this I can agree, that a mistake in Girsa of Aggadeta will be faster to happen since it can’t be crossed-checked with the Halacha as other Gemaros can.
HaLeiViParticipantAre you implying that a joke is better than Mah Na’eh Ilan Zeh? Were they worried that the joke might not survive the generations if they don’t put it in? Is the Gemara just a live recording of whatever was being spoken at the time? Can you make a Birchas Hatorah on this Gemara? Sure, humor is invoked in many statements, but just repeating a Narishkeit during learning because it’s funny is not something my Rebbe would do, although he has a great sense of humor. There is much to be seen in every Agadetta. Even if you don’t have the time to delve into them, you are missing out by dismissing these Gemaros as light-headed babble.
All that aside, this was not my point. My point is that even when the Gemara is quoting something cute that (at least on the face of it) was simply meant to be witty, we were carefull to quote it exactly. If some had heard it with one word different we mentioned that.
HaLeiViParticipantBesalel, you seem to be implying that the Amoraim didn’t put much attention to Divrei Aggadah. In Eiruvin 53b you will see the Gemara quoting two versions of Rebbi Avahu’s riddle, with a very small difference between them. So it seems like they did bother to get it right.
HaLeiViParticipantThanks, Mobico. I was also thinking something similar, that the Gemara was using this to illustrate the arguments as to which one is better. In truth, when good times strike, first comes excitement and then when you settle you will be naturally happy. However, the Jews in the time of Mordechai were first and foremost relieved from the Tzara before getting on to being excited about a victory.
So each one has precedence at different times. Similarly, each one has a menial application as well. There is nothing exciting about leaving your home but you can be happy nevertheless. On the other hand excitement can be found by small events too, as long as it is a change — such as getting water once a year.
A Min is one who only has Torah Shebichsav. Therefore, like those today who use scripture, it is bound to be shallow. When the Gemara wanted to put down this debate there was no one better to look for than two Minim with such names that will use Pesukim for their own prestige.
There must be a historical bent, Roman fighting, Pshat to all this, no? Like, these were really two legions arguing if they should go out directly to fight or sneak near the water. This whole Gemara is a secret code that Rebbi Avahu sent from his hideout.
March 26, 2014 3:04 am at 3:04 am in reply to: Can anyone help? Dont Judge a Book by its Cover… #1009595HaLeiViParticipantHa’adam Yir’eh La’einaim…
HaLeiViParticipantWhat if he asks if she wants to be his hand, his side or his Charufa? Does an Umdena create a Dibur by a proprosal?
HaLeiViParticipantIn the story of Rebbi Avahu the Gemara can be teaching us how to deal with silly questions. It is an illustration of Anei K’sil Ke’ivalto. But what is the first story about? Is the Gemara trying to add Simcha? Or Sasson?
HaLeiViParticipantBesalel, you aren’t saying a Pshat. You are changing a Girsa without much of a reason.
HaLeiViParticipantBut the teen way is to txt her, WYMM.
HaLeiViParticipantSetup a telemarket call for her: press 1 if you will marry me, 2 for more time, 3 to take you off this list.
HaLeiViParticipantThe way most people that I know do it, is they tell the Shadchan, “We are ready to finish. Are they?” If you want, you can leave a note saying, “Are you sure?”, on the table to be seen when you come home after the wedding.
HaLeiViParticipantImanonov, I think so too.
HaLeiViParticipantTrain a parrot to say, “will you marry me”. Then walk with her past its cage. (But she might answer “yes”, meaning the parrot, which will come back to haunt you.
Speaking of which, arrange with a professional Mekubal to come to her in a dream and ask the question.
Throw a rock into her window with a message attached.
March 24, 2014 4:25 pm at 4:25 pm in reply to: A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet #1009408HaLeiViParticipantBut it still remains to be understood why they didn’t head to land and instead spent hours over the water. I didn’t study the area though. Perhaps visibility was low and he simply got lost, especially if all instruments stopped working, including GPS and VOR.
Could anyone explain this arc business? I’m imagining that the ping only gives information on which satellite and the distance from it or maybe even the angle. If so, once you have three satellites you can pinpoint the source.
HaLeiViParticipantActually the crisis by Kayin and Hevel was over someone their own age.
March 23, 2014 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm in reply to: Random Q on Bedikas Chometz – Blind People #1008807HaLeiViParticipantThe Chiyuv is to check the best way possible. If you missed your chance by night you make a Bracha by day. But, probably he should rather hire a Shaliach to do it for him — especially B’asra D’yahavi Agra Ubadki.
HaLeiViParticipantI’m wondering, is a singles event a girls only event? If so what’s the idea of it?
HaLeiViParticipantAkuperma, the idea of the crisis is not that there aren’t any marriages happening. The problem is that there are people left over who don’t get married although they want to.
HaLeiViParticipantI don’t know if the ratio of our relatively small community is 1:1 (it sure isn’t in my house). Nor do I think that a crisis is born from one generation to the next. I doubt the growth is that much. But, as Popa said, your math is wrong. The quoted idea is as follows.
If there are five boys and five girls in generation 1, and the girls all marry boys from generation 0 while the boys marry five girls from generation 2, this would leave over another five in a situation where the population doubles in a generation. The ten boys in generation 2 will marry ten out 20 girls from generation 3. This will leave over 10 girls from gen3 in addition to the five from gen2.
HaLeiViParticipantTwist, so that picture in my Haggadah is you?
HaLeiViParticipantMy Heter is that I have to save the world. I shudder to think what you guys would do here without me. {Oh! Just thinking of it…}
HaLeiViParticipantJust for some perspective. I use Chaburah Matza, in which a group rents out the bakery and we bake it ourselves. Nobody is hired. it ends up being around $9/lb. Once you start hiring people I can only imagine how much more that makes it. (Obviously the bakery doesn’t pay rent, so I’m losing some accounting here.)
HaLeiViParticipant“It may change a potential spouses view”
And an active spouse as well.
“and make him/her drop the person”
Or, in the case of a spouse, deeply ruin the trust and the relationship.
“but it really isn’t who that person is”
Beautiful thought, and very good Chizuk.
Have you heard of growing stronger from your mistakes? If you think that applies here than you are agreeing that the mistake is very much a part of your identity. Not as a transgressor — anymore — but it is there in some color (either as ???? ?? ?????? or ???? ?? ???????). The choice is his whether he wants to be open minded or not. Do you believe in giving a son and daughter a say in their Shidduch? Why would your spouse have less of a choice?
It is starting to sound like you know the answer but wish it weren’t so. You seem to feel that the rejection won’t be based on a real understanding of how far you really are from your history. This is a true concern. People get repelled from shocking news. I believe Reb Moshe Feinstein said that after a relationship has developed, before getting engaged, is the time to disclose the uncomfortable stuff. You might want to get some advice of how to introduce it, and in how many steps, and when to start planting some early necessary introductions.
HaLeiViParticipantOh. Then the Halacha is that if you drank for 30 days…
HaLeiViParticipantActually, I did hear interviews from Crimean citizens and it wasn’t so clear cut. The Russians have been spreading the story about anti-Semitism, while the chief Rabbi refuted that. Nevertheless, the story picked up.
I don’t have any stake in this thing, but having Russian soldiers not wearing Russian uniform doesn’t sound so straightforward. Putin is now ‘saving’ the Russians and the Jews. I’m not sure I trust the whole vote.
HaLeiViParticipantThey might be, and yet fall for their baloney.
HaLeiViParticipantDo you remember Bein Arur Haman Lebaruch Mordechai?
HaLeiViParticipantWestern media has absolutely no idea when it is being fed Russian propaganda and when it is staring at the truth.
HaLeiViParticipantYou are talking about moving from one system to another. This means you will be switching rabbis, at least slowly. For the particulars you will have a rabbi, but as for your destination, you will be going on your own until you land.
Very often your current rabbi will recognise a sincere desire to move on and he will encourage you, and can give you guidance until you lock in to the next tower. This is obviously not always the case, though. Perhaps you should reach out to someone from your destination Hashkafa as a guide for rate of climb/descent.
HaLeiViParticipantTo know where a certain ‘mistake’ falls, between sucking a thumb and murder, requires judgment. If you don’t trust your own you can discuss that particular ‘mistake’ with (someone you trust/LOR/PhD/Popa bar Abby).
But do keep in mind that while having been Chutzpadik for a week wouldn’t define you, other things do. When a person has specific stuff in their past it is part of the wholesome picture of which a spouse wouldn’t want to be lied to.
March 18, 2014 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm in reply to: A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet #1009397HaLeiViParticipantSounds interesting, and makes a lot of sense. Just one thing. They say it was pinging the satellite for many hours. Perhaps, though, it was doing so from under water.
HaLeiViParticipantThat’s what I’m getting at. So you do agree that you would want to know about it, you just feel that it depends how severe a sin. You agree that the past is more than just a history book. My example was also about a real turn-around, which is why I set it long into the marriage, when you got to know him as a real nice person, which he is — now.
Well, most people would be quite horrified to find out one day that their close and trusted spouse had a very different past than what they imagined. I think it might help if you think about yourself finding out stuff about him a year into your marriage, rather than coming up with rational for someone else to accept you no matter what comes their way.
HaLeiViParticipantihear, are you kidding? Are we talking about running a red light? Mistake is a very nice name for sins but get real. Who you are now is made from who you were. And regardless of any reason the guy would want to know, a person’s history defines the person. One day you are married to this innocent person. The next day you find out that this very nice person duped you.
I know this makes no sense to you from this perspective so let’s look at it from another viewpoint. Imagine this real open-minded guy agrees to marry you. Three years later he finds out that you witheld this information and he is totally fine with that. He even goes on and on about how it doesn’t make a difference what you did in the past. Then you find out why. It turns out that he killed three people and threatened another two. But the next year on Yom Kippur he “saw the light”. He never cried like that before. He decided right then and there that he’ll run away, change his identity, and enroll in Yeshiva. He’s Mamesh a Mentch and a real Baal Teshuva. Besides for his obcession with sleeping with a weapon and always living near a border, he’s completely normal, and most important, a wonderful father.
Will you smile just as before, or better?
HaLeiViParticipantIf you want a healthy marriage I don’t think you want to have your spouse get surprises later on. Marriage is built on trust. Finding out that your spouse kept a big secret from you is not conducive to future trusting.
HaLeiViParticipantAl Teviloseinu
March 14, 2014 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm in reply to: The mechanics and provisions of the new Chareidi draft law #1008526HaLeiViParticipantBilbo, so you are saying exactly what Akuperma says here often. It is a war of ideas and is not about necessity.
So in an effort to bridge gaps, first all Chareidim had to be considered one group, then yell and defame them on national TV. When you’re done with that, destroy the work in progress and try things head on. Now, all Chareidim have very deep feelings for the army, and others have very deep feelings for (or rather, about) the Chareidim.
It’s sad when you let people take you for a ride. Many factions would have allowed a military sponsored summer program over a few years. Working things out was not on the agenda. In fact, the existing chanells were only sabotaged.
HaLeiViParticipantShoulders are getting sore. Maybe we should just keep our hands on our laps.
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