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cantor: So you resorted to financial extortion to maintain your place in that Yeshiva?
There is nothing personal about what joseph said regarding who is a Gadol. It is a fact there are (unfortunately) only a small number of Gedolim despite every yodle these days trying to make their favorite Rabbi into a Godol (usually for the purpose of attacking the real Gedolim, under the cover that they “too” are a godol.)
I also agree that the “lesschumras” screen name is at minimum a subtle attack on chareidim, and all the people who keep chumras. Who exactly are you saying should have “less chumras”, Mr. lesschumras? And why do you demand they have less chumras? And who are YOU to so demand? Answer: attack, attack, attack (when your ideas are failing.)
Itzik:
Its amazing that all the Gedolim opposed zionism (despite hte predictable religious zionists howls that are sure to follow.) This is despite their subtle differences in how to deal with the state once it became fait accompli. i.e. Brisk, Satmar, and the real Neteurei Karta opposed any interaction or cooperation while the Agudah, Chabad, Ger while similarly opposed to zionism felt it prudent to cooperate where necessary or beneficial.
Do you know if Reb Amram and all the old Yishuv spoke Loshon Kodesh, or whether they oppsed using Loshon Kodesh as an “everyday language” for Divrei Chol, like other Rebbonim?
While I completely understand YWN’s desire to be an open forum and intellectually honest (which it successfully is), there are halachas involved prohibiting expressing things like kefira, apikorsus, and the like. Posters like “torahis1” aside from violating all the basic precepts of Torah Judaism, is a hate monger. Is there really any reason his comments should be approved? I vote otherwise.
They should sing this heilige niggun in the Yeshivos.
Calling another Jew a Taliban or ranting about burqas, or calling someone a religious fanatic is out of the bounds of acceptable dialog.
Calling a set of Jews (Chareidim, Chasidim) bad, or saying that they are fanatics or perverts or whatever is also outside acceptable conversation.
It is examples like these that tend to escalate and overheat threads.
GiveMe ABreak,
I’ve seen worse than you (I think.)
Dear intelligent,
You wisely ask what mariner and blue shirt feel so threatened by in your benign posting. A good question indeed. It is from what is known in the medical community as an “inferiority complex.” They suffer from a condition that impels them to malign anyone, and any thought, that brings to a negative light the actions they live. Should they ever sense someone other than themselves behaving in a manner more consistent with certain societal norms, in this case Torah norms, they will immediately and impulsively respond with a barrage of negativity and criticism intended to boost their low self-esteem by, what they think, knocks down the good deeds of others that they feel threatened by.
Lets turn Question #5 around:
If the guy is uninterested, can he take the girl home early? And how does he break it?
Also, is it any different if it were the other way around (girl uninterested)? And why?
cherybim,
You seem to have become the expert on this obsession of yours about woman and blogs. Something about your writings don’t quite fit. One who sees guilt all over usually has something in his backyard. Is there something up your alley?
suraschier is absolutely correct. Too many people here denigrate the Torah when they don’t like what it says. (Usually in very subtle terms.)
So the girl opening the car door for the guy should be the same courtesy; there is no reason that it must be the other way. I don’t see why the guy should be opening the car door for the girl rather than the girl open the car door for the guy.
feif, and what about bars? Its just alchol, no different than what you could have at home? Nothing wrong with a bar too, you’d say?
And where is it written that it is a mitzvah to always “TALK ABOUT” something?
If you don’t like the discussion keep to yourself. Who is forcing anyone to participate?
Why do some people not like hearing about tznius? I guess it must touch a raw nerve. No one complains about too much talk about loshan hora. Yet the minute the word tznius is mentioned, some people get all bent out of shape as if it is some kind of forbidden topic.
Isn’t it tiring when someone asks you to keep repeating the same facts over and over (and still remains in denial!)?
Now were talking tachlis (instead of theory).
Thank You!
Much of what masquerades as “Jewish Music” these days, is neither Jewish nor music.
Before providing any information that may somehow be interpreted negatively by the recepient, it is imperative to first ask a competent Rabbi if it is permissible.
Its hard for me to imagine even a sane non-Jewish parent allowing his child unsupervsed (and I mean breathing down his back) access, considering the trash out there. L’Havdil a Yid!
Thinking, if you follow the gemara in Yoma daf pey vav and call out a rasha who pretends to be a tzaddik you better be prepared for all the liberals to call you a fanatic!
This is a matter of local (i.e. Shul) custom. I’ve seen it go both ways, and both minhigum are legitimate.
L’Havdil elef havdolos look at how the goyim show respect for their house of worship. How could a Jew do any less?
I completely agree with the sentiments expressed herein.
Helvai only people would shut their cell ringers anywhere (and there are many such places) it is inappropriate. Why must one be wedded to their phone as if dear life depended on it?
This is the most absurd point I’ve read in a long-time, but let me try spelling it in simple language to you since you seem to fail to get a grasp of plain black and white English, and the other posters have given up trying to follow your circular arguments and explain it. First of all the very same cadre of posters who suddenly are ostensibly giving tochacha in an area that no wrong was done, are the very same who displayed opposition to the stringencies of tznius in the first place. In the face of being unable to answer the points, point-by-point, they’ve stooped to manufacturing a fault where none exists. I just read through the entire thread contextually. Think BIG asked for roundabout age and marital status because it makes a difference in perspective regarding the issue of discussion. And the compliment clearly was contextually made for understanding the halachos clearly. Do you really expect anyone to actually believe that these very folks are opposed to mentioning age/status (or making a compliment) between genders for halachic reasons!? Especially where that information is useful for the topic? This is the prototypical chosid shoiteh situation. It is hardly hypocritical to mention these points while in full adherence to every tznius stringency in the book. I am willing to say dollars-for-donuts that the attackers are the very same folks that will have far less vanilla inter-gender conversations. The only reason they even bring up these points, is because they have no valid arguments regarding this topic. And they know that very good and well (as much as they will now deny it).
The first attacker made the most absurd statement. He criticizes any man who dares discuss tznius! Why? Because he claims it is untznius for a man to discuss tznius! This is patently absurd on its face. The next one says that its not everyones danger that some women are dressing untzniusly. That is equally absurd. Then someone criticizes anyone who dares broach any issues he deems “controversial.” He defines this as tznius, raising children, and a whole litany of other issues he deems controversial and therefore not allowed for discussion. According to him you must accept the most watered-down standards the biggest liberal comes up with, and “aloha” accept it.
You call that tochacha? I call that a joke. Perpetrated by a cadre of folks being unable to elevate themselves to proper adherence, so instead they try to bring down anyone else whose standards they feel threatened by (without the other person even imposing anything on them!) It is no wonder people don’t bother responding to these kind of circular arguments (that will now undoubtedly be repeated in response to this comment, using slightly new words), as they are repeatedly made instead of addressing the issue at hand. And the thing about this, it is so obvious and self-explanatory, that the only reason these folks keep making these same false points, is to try to put those who do support upholding the proper tznius laws on the defensive and to keep repeating themselves. And that is why they are ignored. The points were made. If you care about the Torah you will follow it. If you don’t care about the Torah you will find 100 different excuses why the mussar was wrong, the person who gave it was wrong, and whatever other drivel you can conjure up. And for the rest of us it is unbeneficial to exert additional effort in convincing, where clearly they don’t want to be convinced of the truth, or anything for that matter. And that is why you can have the final word, and convince yourself in your mind that you are right. Nothing will ever change your perception of what you think is reality.
And one final point. I see a few attackers call those who support fully upholding the tznius laws as “very frum, “frummer”, etc. It is very telling that these “very frum” posters never called themselves any frummer than anyone else. It is the attackers who identified them as being frummer.
lgbg:
Actually its a matter of law, not perspective.
Hey guys, I hit upon a brainstorm. If your so out of sync with the Yeshivish (aka Chareidi) community, why don’t you folks start your own site and try to propagate your left-of-center religious ideologies? Better than duking it out with a Torah-centered community that will never be convinced by your modern beliefs.
No hats or jackets required during prayers. Any man going by the title Rabbi must be respected to make converts. Relaxed tznius standards. Hallel on Israel independence day.
Now why didn’t one of you think of that until now?
A Ger can communicate with his birth-parents to the extent necessary to avoid a making a situation. But under ideal circumstances he should aim to limit his contact with them because, amongst other reasons, to prevent them from influencing him and his family with their goyish ways.
Ehrlicha Yidden always wear, barring extenuating circumstances, a hat and jacket in Shul by davening and not shorts and crocs. Some people (namely those that refuse to honor Hashem, the Kehila, the Mispallelim, and themself) may take offence and start yelling and screaming it ain’t so. But lets call a spade a spade and stand up for the truth without worry.
cherry, I think that a Ger breaks all his relationships with his pre-Geirus family including his parents; brothers-in-law; sisters-in-law; aunts and uncles. They are no longer considered his parents; brothers-in-law; sisters-in-law; aunts and uncles. And a Jew cannot socialize with a Goy.
nameless:
I’m sure you will! But you were wrong to call the idea that a woman belongs in the home as “sick, SICK, sick.”
At least according to the Mechaber.
nameless:
With all due respect, Shulchan Orach, as well as many others, specifically and unambiguously state that a woman should not be outside the home too much.
Feif Un,
How could anyone have said loshon hora or have been motzei shem ra you????
Said loshon hora or been motzei shem ra on Mr. Un? I mean, no one knows who you are (or the posters for that matter); you go by some quacky screen name; so who exactly is it being said against???
You can’t say loshon hora or be motzei shem ra on ANONYMOUS (or some fake name)!!!
Please, please, can everyone make up and be b’shalom? Pashuteh Yid, jent1150, mdlevine, josephf, Feif Un, illini07. Please????
Pashuteh Yid,
I think it speaks volumes that the Yiddishe “pride” you found it most compelling to mention are Einstein, Aumann, the Marx brothers, and Dr. Seuss.
My partial list (off the top of my head) that would first come to mind in any list I would post would be the Chofetz Chaim, the Baal Shem, the Gaon, the Satmar Rebbe, Reb Moshe, Reb Ahron, Rashi, Rabbeinu Gershom, etc.
BTW what is your “secular background” that you speak of?
Pashuteh Yid,
Such a question arises from ignorance. It goes without saying, and I’m certain I speak for everyone, that such activity that you describe is sick. Anyone who engages in it is from a lunatic fringe. That you should equate that with the holy mitzvah of tzinius, speak for itself of your views of the subject. (Its somewhat akin to asking a pro-lifer if he supports those who bomb abortion clinics. You want to defame pro-lifers?)
There is not a single group that shaves, that advocates mandating that for all Yidden. If you are blinded to the tzinius crisis (and if there ever was a crisis, this is it) and refer to concerns to alleviate it as “Burkification and Nunnification proceedings”, than you have a lot of soul searching to do, once you are out of denial.