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even religious zionists would vote likud because of that feiglin, and when netanyahu kicked him out of party list, that wsa end of dreams. vote IL ICHUD LEUMI, if all religious who vote likud would vote IL then IL would get many many seats

clearheaded thank you.

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see Rosh Rosh HaShonoh Perek Gimel:9

I agree Jothar. Which shitoh do you follow in regards to shikrus on Purim

Picks up. No matter what intent. Even if he wants to be mevatel the avoidah zorah (which he can’t because a Yid can’t be mevatel a goy’s idol)

Lets make a list of which shiur we think is most meikel to most machmir

AKA (From meikiel to machmir) NOTE THIS IS NOT MY OPINION RATHER AN EXAMPLE

1. Shitoh of Magen Avraham

2. Rambam

3. Orchos Chayim

4. Ran

Quit it with the hatzolah member idea already, please. there are few kids who make chillul Hashem, but you seem to have mistaken impression that I and Ben Levi advocate drinking until puking. I repeat the seder yom is a minority opinion.

Ben Levi just like the case where it is mutar bedieved to blow on Rosh HaShanah with a shofar of avodah zorah, even though it is a gezeiroh midrobonon that he is oiver. So it is indeed muttar to drink less than the shitoh midrobonon and is not a chillul Hashem Chas veChalilah.

Ben Levi I think that the Seder HaYom is a minority shita. Unless you like R’ Meir ‘choshesh lemiyutoh” aka. pay attention to the minority opinion I have herd most advocate either

1. Until one drops asleep

2. Until one can’t say Shoshanas Yaakov without losing place.

3. A bit more than usual.

The kiddush/chillul Hashem issue is dependent on how one drinks. One who drinks and behaves like an untamed monkey is going against the warning of the Mishnah Berurah, and causing a chillul Hashem, which is not atoned for by Yom Kippur.

I personally do until I can’t say Shoshanas Yaakov with no errors, but everyone is free to pasken as they want as long as we wanting to learn will stop getting bombarded with quotations from Hatzolah members!!

Listen, this is not a philosophical or moral discussion. This is halacha! Drinking on Purim is fine and is a mitzvah, to what shiur you decide. But a shiur greater than halacha allows is a chillul Hashem and an aveiroh. Sums it up for those not wanting to get into the halachic discussion?

This is Beis Medrash forum not Controversial Issues… (see decaffeinated coffee)

Thats what the Rambam and Maharil advise tomim

If parents allow it is different matter, but parents should be responsible and not damage children. Mekayeim mitzvah is fine, but many yeshivah bochrim completely get themselves DEAD DRUNK on Purim and make a Chillul Hashem by acting badly (The Mishnah Brurah says that one who acts badly under influence should follow the shitoh of the Orchos Chayim and only drink a bit more than usual) (A terrible Chillul Hashem which Chazal said that Yom Kippur dosen’t make caparah for), and justify themselves by saying “We’re doing a mitzvah”. Ironic right?

No one has a shitoh like that as far as I know… the Chayei Odom says thats the LIMIT you can’t drink to that state of drunkenness

the Yad Efrayim paskens like the Pri Chodosh, only he says that the story was put in the Gemora to prove that Rava is RIGHT and in its turn is a tiyuvtoh to Kamu Raboh veShachtey (Apparently the Yad Efrayim thinks that the story of the invitation of Raboh to R’ Zeira and the latter’s refusal indeed is part of Kamu Raboh veShachtey leRabbi Zeira)…

The Bais Efrayim as I understand him says that R’ Zeira’s refusal has no connection to Kamu Raboh veShachtey leRabbi Zeira, and so can’t save Rava…

I made a mistake in the quote of R’ Akiva Eiger… he dosen’t support the Radbaz and Rokeach, he is against them and says he dosen’t know why the mitzvoh is with wine…

But if I’m not mistaken there is a Gilyonei HaShas in Pesochim that the only rejoicing after the Beis HaMikdosh was destroyed is wine?!

Thats a complete stirah, cn someone pleasae help me here?

Rav Zeira needed a miracle because he almost died last time from overdrinking (Maharsha’s version of aggadata), or because drinking is dangerous (Orchos Chayim).

He was saved last time by a neis that Raboh became sober and realized Rav Zeira was almost dead, and he davened and B”H Rav Zeira lived.

Is that the answer you needed? If not, could you please explain me the question?

Jothar, the Chayei Odom and the Elyah Rabboh say the same… and chas vechaliloh I don’t doubt them and the Chofetz Chayim. I merely started this in order to provoke a halachic discussion