Takes2-2tango

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ZionGateParticipant
Keith,
We’re livening in a time where culture, good or bad, is being thrown into the garbage heap.
The progressive mindset , especially in academia and the arts is that great art, great books, great music, values, etc. from the past is mocked and in some cases demonized.
This holds true in the frum world also.
I learned in a frum, though not Chassidic nor strictly yeshivish yeshiva. Like most others, secular subjects were taught in the afternoon; sciences, literature, English, languages , etc. in high school.
Dickens, Shakespeare, poems, sonnets, plays …. and other classics.
All under the aegis of rosh yeshivos, rabbis, with parental approval. We took exams, and the dreaded Regents…. on the very desks where an hour ago, a big Talmud tome has rested . You’re correct in that there’s learning and value in reading history, studying the great classics and other great secular material. Just as smartphones/computers can used be used for negatives, so too can it be used for good.
Some rabbis known as “gedolim” also read theses books, and many more were very familiar with the history and classical music.
We live in an age of revisionism and outright lies masquerading as religion or frum, or whatever you want to call it. The famous Jewish publisher of the Talmud, Chumash, etc, which also publishes bios of rabbis have deliberately omitted this info. They have also refused to publish a RASHBAM in their new Bereishit chumash because of some mealy-mouthed excuse, when it was in fact published for hundreds of years.
There is now Photoshopping, pixelating and erasing photos of women whether they were mothers, wives rebbetzins or just old grandmas in magazines, rags, freebie tabloids, serious articles and individual paintings.
BTW, I’m FFB, and interestingly, a number of people whom I’ve known over the years who were, or came from BT families were in the tank with anti- secular book parade.
( Never let an ex—– smoker drinker, gluten , blintzes eater, drive you nuts) .
There’s good/bad , great/mediocre/…. atheistic/faith … sewage/gold … in everything.
Heck, you can see spirituality even in a baseball game when you set your mind to it.
Speaking of 1984 ,it’s almost here, in more than one way.
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You could not have said it any better. Thank you for not mincing words like so many commentators tend to do here.
Btw huckleberry finn was one of the most common book read in many frum high school’s in america during the 70’s and 80’s
And so was romeo and juliet. Then came the extremists and dictated to start using artscroll in high schools. V’hamavin yavin. $$$$

Up brim vs down brim?

“Front and back brim down hat”vs the “chabad center pinch hat”?
“Rabbit fur up hat” vs . “The beaver 2 sided pinch hat”?

When are all the heimishe store gonna stop selling the BOSCH mixer.
Bosch has a long history too. Ots a good thing wigs arent made in germany.

You do what u think is right at that moment in conjunction with his / her train-ing and leave the rest up to God. End of story!

Did u notice how many orgs popped up over night using rav shteinman and rubashkin to fundraise for thier own needs?
How about the latest for raising money supposedly to help out parents of OTD Children? I would like to get detail what the money is for.
Not quite sure what thats all about

yehudayonaParticipant
Ok, so I googled it. Monsanto says the guy asking the question is probably talking about the Seralini study, and then says peers said it was flawed and the publisher retracted the study.

BTW, it’s not just candy that from companies get from China. Check out frozen vegetables and even dry yeast.
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I agree other food products are imported from china. Reason i mentioned candy is because candy in its entirety is made in china and then sold as candy specifically for children. (remember tainted baby formula from china )Frozen veggies is first planted its not manufactured like candy.

You do what u think is right at that moment in conjunction with his / her train-ing and leave the rest up to God.

jakobParticipant
ever heard of supply & demand?

well now is a big demand for these fruits, so you get charged high prices
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Jacob. Every friday theres a demand for food. Would u be ok if friday prices were different then all week long?

My store is selling haddasim. Go figure.!
No not by the flower section but by the fruit section. This is exactly how false minhagim start. In 50 years your grandkids will assume these new minhagim and consider it halacha.

Many hold that with todays modern day sock its with modern day flooring its not a problem. Ask your LOR

YerushalmitParticipant
How about a SIL who thinks he can take over the time schedule in your house on Shabbos or demand list of other things….
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Do u care to elaborate. Its to comment with out having some specifics!

I agree 100%. I try not to be judgemental of other families, however, so I shy away from saying that so-and-so an issue (e.g., wearing a hat) is objectively unreasonable. Another family may think you are unreasonable for not letting your kid fry up bacon in your pan.

Have a wonderful Shabbos!
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Your statement about other people thinking its unreasonable to not allow your kid fry up bacon is a bit extreme. Personally i can tell u that its the small and almost meaningless thing that tick a boy or girl off, such as making a big deal about hair length , black hat / no hat, dark clothing vs light clothing,s tandard size yamulka vs smaller. wearing rabaynu tam tfillin vs not wearing them. When i say mundane i mean in the over all picture its mundane on the large chance of losing your child totally. Use your brains. God gave u them for a good reason. These are for the most part where children start to get frustrated from thier parents in yiddishkiet. It may not be obvious but it does eventually. Just like every yid has a pintelle yid in him/her so to that pintelle yid can become even smaller from such mundane things as i mentioned earlier. Also many if not most people who are frum by rote confuse halacha with chumra, mesora/ minhogim / vs home made yiddishkiet. First stick to the hardcore halachos and then slow wean onto chumris.
Concentrating on chumros with out doing the halachos properly is a recipe for boys and girls going otd. Same applies to grown adults.

mdd1Participant
Takes2…, ridiculous! Look in seifer “Chofetz Chaim “ in the first couple of chapters.
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Is that all you have to say to dispute me, is to look at the chofetz chaim?
Goes to show your maturity level. The chofetz never gave you the go ahead to dpolice OTD people. So stop spewing meaningless sentences of nothing!
If you think the chofetz chaim says something you think i should know then quote it by verse / chapter untill then dont bother .

Question:
To all holier then thous.
We all agree that hashem is our ultimate father.
When a petson does an avaira publicly or in Private , does hashem throw him to the dogs? Does hashem throw him out of the shul he once davenef in? Who are you to decide as a father to disown your son for being a ball avaira.
You as a father are a human just like your son . You too slip here and there in yiddishkiet .perhaps its only in private so no one sees you . But hashem sees you
Does he throw you to the dogs? Does he strike you dead? Are you better anf smarter then hashem who watches all you do behind closr doors? Think very hard before throwing your child out of your house. Just remember. What goes around comes around. Hashem works is very wonderous Ways

Unfortunately our chinuch system which most swear by has failed us miserably.

Considering the way some parents fail miserably in their duties, I would say that by and large the yeshivos and Bais Yaakovs are doing an excellent job.
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Of course you are entitled to your opinions but the sad fact is if you go around taking a pole and the person is not afraid to relay his true feeling (for social pressure reasons) you will have slot more who agree with me.

Are you talking about guys or girls who are closet OTD or “in the open” OTD?

Little FroggieParticipant
“..way back in europe/russia/spain/poland/italy etc. No mechitzas existed..”

Really? Maybe they didn’t daven or learn then eaither? Care to recall the story of the Satmar Rav when he was in Europe? – How someone was grinded in his own grinding plant, because he didn’t listen to the Rav’s warnings about having a Mechitza.
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Firstly the satmar rebbe was not a novi or a ban navi . He was rebbeh! Nothing more nothing less!
There’s a saying that when it comes to sipurei tzaddikim (tales of the righteous), if you believe every story you are a certified idiot and if you dont believe any of it then you are an apikorus.

Quiet and reserved is all relative just like cute ot beauty is relative . So that persons perspective could br different then yours. Also many girls who are known to be reserved actually become unreserved to a large degree when they hsve compatibilities eith the person they are talking to or dating. So its not so far fetched if she is different in the reserved/ area etc.

Do very Chasidish newlyweds walk in side-by-side into the hall?
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Since when are the chasidishe minhagim the go to answer for everyone else?
Chassidim chassidim clap on shabbos should everyone take on thier minhag?
Chassidim daven way past zman tfillah. Should we adapt to that too? Chassidim are more maykil when it comes to hilchos etuvin , should we adapt to those kulos?

Joseph, correct me if im wrong but way back in europe/russia/spain/poland/italy etc. No mechitzas existed at weddings! ,

Golden nuggets of wisdomParticipant
It’s not necessarily an issue of muttar or Assur, it’s a matter of menorah. Our parents and grandparents in Europe didn’t light up and therefore neither should we, it’s just like eating garlic on pesach, some things we just don’t do!
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Im not saying your grandparents did or did not light up. But neither do u. Just because they didn’t share that info with u does not mean anything. Trust me , in europe people smoked up things besides cigarettes. Also it wad common for women to smoke cigarettes too.

Is it unrefined for a ben tayrah to to walk around with his shirt tail out?
Id it unrefined for s brn tayrah to walk on the street with a towel on his shoulder on hid way to/from the mikvah?
Is it unrefined for a ben tayrah to smoke in public?

How about if you walk into an all kosher store with the awesome smell of fresh baked good but as you are walking down the veggie aisle you notice the stock boy stocking shelves with fresh and packaged romaine lettuce? As you all know, the government last week warned everyonr about the dangers of possible e coli contamination and everyone should stop eating it until further notice. . People were hospitalized anf a few died.
Question is. Should i trust everything else this store does if they deliberately ignore the government warning about a major health hazard?

JosephParticipant
Takes2, you’re confusing yungerleit with bochorim. Most bochorim, unquestionably, don’t own a car
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Joseph,
Just spoke to 3 bmg kollel guys and they all agreed that on average from all the handfull of parking lots associated with bmg more than 60% of vehicles belong to bochurim. Your welcome to do your own home work.