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I know I won’t be paying for a flight 😉 I think we may be paying cheaper prices, but I’m not sure.
I can tell you this, from our experience. We had two girls go to midrasha, one in Yerushalayim, and one in Beit She’an. Each of those places had a midrasha program for Israelis and a program for Americans. In both places, the Americans paid at least double (in dollars) to what we paid as Israelis. (For example, if one place charged an Israeli ?10,000, the Americans paid $20,000). I verified this myself with my own eyes at the time.
Moadim l’simcha!
I’m curious – you made aliyah. Are you going to an American sem program? If you do so, are you paying American prices?
Shopping613:
I still have trouble on my bagruts after being here 3 years . . .
If you’re taking bagruyot after only being here 3 years, you should be entitled to some leniencies – either taking them orally, or getting extra points added to your score.
To I said so:
The government provides new olim with free tutoring?
As olim chadashim, the kids are entitled to a certain number of hours of tutoring, which is supposed to be provided by the school. Of course, getting the hours may depend on how familiar the school is with the requirements. If you live in Beit Shemesh, where new families are constantly coming, I’m sure the schools are quite familiar with the legal requirements. If you move to a place that’s really off the beaten track, they won’t be familiar with the requirements. Either way, it’s up to you to work with the school and make sure it gets done. (That’s actually the way the schools work here – the teacher will not contact you if there’s a problem concerning your kid. You’re expected to call the teacher.) Also, we provided an additional tutor to our kids outside of school at our own expense.
and lenient with the bagriot?
This depends on how old your kids are when you come. If they’re young, they’ll have been in school for a number of years by the time they begin taking the bagruyot, so they probably won’t get any leniencies. My 2 oldest kids were older; they were here only a year or two before the process started, so they ended up with more leniencies.
If parnassah is so hard there, what keeps you there?
Hashem wants his people here; who are we to disregard His will?
If someone is motivated to work hard in order to live in Isreal, do you think that they’ll be able to succeed?
If you come with the attitude that you will do what you have to do to succeed, then you will, with Hashem’s help.
Another question, how much money does NbN really help with? do they help monthly at the beginning, give you a chunk of money to start off with?
I don’t know how it works now. When we came 8 years ago, we had to submit a long financial form to NbN to get a grant. They gave us the grant, and we used it mostly for our lift. If I recall correctly, there were one or two deposits into our bank account. Unless things have changed (and they may well have), there was no monthly check. I don’t know how much the grants are for nowadays.
Again, please remember that our experiences were with dati leiumi schools. I have no experience with the chareidi schools.
I work a full time job, and have a seasonal part time job. My wife works part time, as a virtual secretary for a doctor in the U.S. Yes, I make less than I did in the states, but our expenses are less as well. Our tuition was less (before the youngest graduated ulpana), our health insurance is less, our shule dues are less. A year in midrasha for an Israeli girl is certainly less money than a year in sem for an American girl.
Jobs are a matter of adjustment. Yes, you make less here, but the expenses are less – unless you have to buy each kid an apartment when s/he gets married, but that’s not my world. We manage.
As far as schools, yes, we had all three girls in a local ulpana. They received tutoring hours as olim, and I believe the two oldest were granted leniencies on their bagruyot because they came when they were 15 & 14 years old. I think the youngest also had some leniencies, but not as many as her sisters.
Zahavasdad, what is your definition of a “good job?” I’m curious.
Jerusalem reader, correct me if I’m wrong, but you’re writing about purchase prices in Yerushalayim. Why can’t you buy something outside of the city? Are you able to move? Other places and cities are less expensive. Have you looked in other places?
The OP, and the response from Mashiach Agent, both require serious replies.
[at the time, entering grade 10, grade 9, and grade 7], and Pepper the Wonder Dog. Your experience may be different.)
anyone who has not made aliya yet should do so ASAP
P.S. To Joseph, I would say please stop looking at the negative. Instead of saying “there are pitfalls,” why not extol the opportunities to learn and attend the world-class yeshivot and seminaries? I’m sure I don’t need to remind you that there are pitfalls in Lakewood, Boro Park, and Monsey as well.
What about Nusach Sefard So absolutely not a viable option:- How could anyone concentrate & give due diligence to silent Mussoph Amida? having to make sure to be up to place for Tekias Shofor.
I daven nusach sfard, and I daven at my own pace. When the shofar sounds I just pause where ever I am.
Please remember to get outside of Yerushalyim to see the country – there is holiness everywhere, not just in the city.
And what you’re serving ( im. Meat or chicken)
Or dairy or vegan.
How much learning do you currently have, and how much time are you willing/planning to spend for getting smicha?
Maybe try Shapell’s/Darche Noam – they have a smicha program. (You didn’t say if you wanted to learn in the States or Israel; Shapell’s is in Yerushalayim.)
Google Shapell’s/Darche Noam; I’m not sure if I put the link here the mods will let it go through. They’re funny about stuff like that.
DY
FWIW, bacon isn’t fleishig.
Technically, chicken isn’t fleishig either. What’s your point?
PBA:
Why are you stalking your coworkers while they eat breakfast? I haven’t the faintest idea what my coworkers eat for breakfast.
Because in the old country many of my coworkers would bring their breakfast to work and eat at their desks.
The last time we needed to print invitations, I did them on the computer with clear labels. My wife and I picked out a nice font, and I finished the printing in about 30 minutes. No muss, no fuss.
Ephraim, I don’t think meat breakfasts are common in non-Jewish America.
Bacon, scrapple, ham, headcheese, sausage . . . meat breakfasts are certainly common in non-Jewish America.
Wolf, I may have said this before, but I’m sorry for your loss.
I usually tried to move near one or more of the other aveilim, so we could say Kaddish at the same pace. The other person, in the beginning, had a real problem saying it, so I made sure to go slowly enough so he could say the words.
If anyone else wanted to say it faster, we let them, and just continued at our own speed. I think people understood what we were doing. I certainly never heard anyone complain that I said Kaddish too slowly. (The same, unfortunately, can not be said for times when I was shaliach tzibur – some complained I was too slow, others said I was too fast.)
I wear glasses, all the time. I did not consult my halachic authority as to the style or materials composing the frames. (They are metal, by the way.) It’s not a halachic issue.
I wear clip-on sunglasses over my frames when I go out, especially in the spring, summer, and early fall. There is too much glare to be outside comfortably without them. I did not consult my halachic authority before buying them, because it’s simply not a halachic issue.
It boggles my mind that a Rav or Rebbe would be so involved in deciding that metal frames are OK, but not plastic frames, or vice versa, or that sunglasses are not OK.
I did taste my wife’s cooking before we were married. I would come up to NY for Shabbat and sleep by her landlord, but we often ate in her apartment, usually with her roommates or friends from Stern. I knew of her culinary delights before we were engaged.
Is someone going to tell me that was assur?
This has already been discussed in the CR:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/sunglasses-are-not-tznius
Re Yontif, it’s like the English word “comfortable”, which is more commonly pronounced confortable or confterble.
I’m not sure where you live, but I’ve never heard comfortable pronounced with an “n.”
I wonder what you’d find if you looked back 800 years ago. What did people look for in shidduchim then?
A full set of teeth and hair without lice.
Having a minyan that I enjoy davening at. Feeling at home in two shules, with diverse members, nearly all of whom are pretty nice people.
I am happy that b”H I wake up every morning in Eretz Yisrael Hakdosha, along the border between Ephraim and Menashe.
Having a leaky water pipe fixed, so we have cold water, hot water, and water pressure, without the water meter spinning around and around . . . .
Cedar Point, Sandusky Ohio
Roller coaster capital of the world
I look at this list, and I see why my girls laugh at the sem girls when they come here.
The Shabbat/Chag minyan that I regularly attend does not do the mi shabayrach with names except on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. I think people would go nuts if the gabbi started adding extras into the davening.
What if it is possible to get the item he’s looking for online . . .
It’s not possible. The internet is assur.
However when “rabbunim” met with the rosh hakofrim Netanyahu . . .
I guess you don’t really get the lessons we’re supposed to learn during the 9 days, do you?
feivel:
You are correct. I should look at them more favorably, and it is something I should work on. Thank you for writing that out in a nice way.
Shabbat Shalom
Wolf:
Everyone has some reason why they’re late at least once in a while.
I’m not talking about people who occasionally come late because of life reasons. I’m talking about people who are habitually late, no matter what minyan or time of day it is. There’s one guy in the early minyan I attend who always (on a daily basis) wanders in between Barchu and Sh”E, with a cup of coffee in one hand and his phone in the other. Yet, despite coming in so late, he still manages to pack up and leave with everyone else. (I should mention that this is a fast minyan; 24 minutes start to finish.) How does he do it? I don’t know.
There are others who are habitually late as well, davening mincha by themselves while everyone else is singing L’cha Dodi, walking into weekday arvit while everyone else is davening Sh”E, that sort of thing. That’s what bugs me to no end.
As my dad z”l used to say, “They should nail the doors shut 5 minutes after davening starts.”
P.S. Wolf, you have two errors in your original statement. Yes, you mixed up their and they’re, but your sentence should really read “Everyone has some reason why he is late at least once in a while.” Everyone is singular. 🙂
Shabbat Shalom
In the almost 8 years since we made aliyah, I’ve killed two scorpions and two tarantulas in the house.
Why skip? Why not make the effort to show up on time?
Somewhat unrelated, but I am currently seeking advice on whether or not I am allowed to either shave, trim and wear a clean suit for a job interview scheduled during the Nine Days?
One does not ask for halachic advice on an anonymous message board; instead, one contacts his rav and asks a proper shayla.
Wolf, my condolences. I don’t know you personally (at least, I think not), but it seems that your mom raised a mensch.
I also didn’t say anything when others davened during my aveilut. I think there were 2 or 3 others in aveilut at the same time I was, and we just naturally took turns. A yahrzeit always took precedence (plus, I was glad to have the day off).
Regarding the OP, the yahrzeit days are a bit stressful, especially since I can’t visit the graves. However, I daven for the amud, bring some schnapps and nosh in the morning, and spend the day thinking about (and missing) the parent. I also sponsor the shiur I attend on the Shabbat before.
Well, is it true that everyone “must” wait for the rabbi before commencing chazoras hashatz?
In a shule where I used to daven, the gabbi would tell the sha”tz when to start, even thought the Rav was not yet finished.
As a member of the “greatest generation” I salute you for your service to this nation during the Second World War.
Thanks, you made me laugh. It wasn’t quite that long ago.
teenagers don’t like to clean
All three of my girls cleaned houses on Fridays during their HS years. They financed their post-HS trip back to the U.S. that way.
Why don’t boys work as babysitters and generally only girls do?
I babysat back in my HS years, in addition to cutting lawns and shoveling snow. As a babysitter, I earned a grand total of $1 an hour, which was the going rate back then. I knew several boys who babysat.
american_yerushalmi:
I’ve been living here for over 30 years, so I have some knowledge of what I speak.
I also live in E”Y; I also have experience with the schools here.
It’s takahmamash a very good idea to do extensive homework before moving to E.Y. because of the high tuition costs in the U.S.
We didn’t move here because of the loser tuition; we moved here because it’s a mitzva to do so. The lower tuition just happens to be one of the benefits.
Everyone has heard stories about families immigrating and their kids never fully integrating and ending up on the streets ….
This has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of tuition. It also, for the most part, has nothing to do with the schools, either.
CRuzer:
. . . one is required to daven a longer S”E.
Please provide an actual source for your claim, or tell us if this is your own conjecture. Thanks.
Besides the fact that yishuv ha’aretz is a mitzvah, just seeing these prices alone is enough reason to make aliyah. $8,900 for nursery school? You’ve got to be kidding me! $14K for eighth grade? That’s college tuition for a year!
You should definitely be careful to only buy from a certified hat store. Look for one that has a hechsher in the window.
Not just any hechsher, either – you need to find a Badatz hechsher.
When people specifically look for shules that have a weekly kiddish, do they normally join the shule and pay dues or give periodic donations to help pay for the kiddish? I mean, the money has to come from somewhere, right?
I occasionally drink grape juice during the week, but only if there is nothing else cold to drink in the fridge.
Someone mentioned that grape juice is expensive . . . it’s funny, but the American grape juice (Kedem) is cheaper here in Israel than the Israeli grape juice, if you go to the right stores.
Despite the fact that one of the poskei hador has forbidden short sleeved shirts . . .
Really? Who? I missed this one! Suppose a boy is in shidduchim and wears short sleeved shirts – is this worse than using a non-white table cloth on Shabbat?
thanbo, do you realize you’re responding to a thread that’s three years old? The OP could have already gotten smicha by now.
You tell the daughter in question that a dog is a better family member than a cat, and get her a Keeshond puppy from a reliable breeder.
And you don’t spell.
Smoking is assur.
Extra credit, of course, to those who manage to wash and bentsh again for Melaveh Malka after Havdalah.
Double extra credit to those who make kiddush at seudat shlisheet.
Depends on the neighbor. Some of our neighbors keep obviously vicious dogs, for reasons I don’t understand. Other neighbors have very nice dogs, and yes, I pet them. (I also walk a few dogs in the neighborhood, since I’m home during the day, and the owners are not.)
I should also point out that we have a dog, and she fits very nicely into the non-vicious category.