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If the Heter of Cholov Stam in America is because the goy would be scared to loose his business if caught switching cows milk with non kosher milk…
Then this incentive is no longer applicable with DD in theory, as they were caught switching and there was no consequence ( true the switching they did was between CY and CS milk and not Cows and pig milk ) , but now that they are willing to in their mind switch “the more kosher milk” with “the less kosher milk” they may feel no problem with switching an “ingredients” if need be like if they run out of cheese etc ( or like pig fat or lard for kosher oil to make donuts etc )
But all in all it seems some ppl here look for every excuse not to keep a siyag and even try to convince others not to…..perhaps those ppl are at the wrong site. Would you trust your kids to be watched by the goy in DD ? If not why would you trust your neshomoh with eating somewhere where they already got caught trying to fool the yid ?
I was once told by someone from the KIC (in regards to a restaurant that allegedly got caught switching something and hiding it from the rabbi)…..where there is smoke there is fire. There are so many options for kosher food owned and operated by frum ppl, why are you running to take a chance ?
zahavasdad you are missing the point, its not about the milk…its about the fact that they would lie and hide when they can like with something other than milk where it would matter more like the examples I gave above ( who is watching them on Saturday ? No mashgiach is coming in on that day )
Veltz Meshugener
Let me preface this with: My understanding is less than nothing about this or any Halachic topic.This is not the forum for final Halacha, our Rabbis are the ones to ask, I just want help to understand this until I ask my Rabbi. Please don’t infer anything from what I post either way. (or from anyone else here who is not your Rabbi)
That said, Isn’t The very reason for the Heter of Cholov Stam in America because the goy would be scared to loose his business if caught switching cows milk with non kosher milk ?
If yes then it would seem the reason for the Heter ( This incentive ) is no longer applicable with DD, as they where caught switching and there was no consequence, In addition now that they saw they can switch (in their mind) “the more kosher milk” with “the less kosher milk” they may feel no problem with switching an ingredient if need be ( like pig fat or lard for kosher oil etc )
IMHO today where you can buy CY milk almost anywhere in America why take a chance with one who has been caught not being truthful ? If you say you ( like me ) know nothing , perhaps its better not to post kulos that you don’t know so much about ( like me ) unless you do and have semicha on a public forum……So as not to run into the problem of Lifney Iver
In short always ask you Local Orthodox Rabbi for the Halacha in this or any case.
Respectfully
***Correction: This story above (and copied here below) happened at Kings Highway and East 10th and NOT on Ave P between McDonald and East 2nd ****
We noticed DD on Kings Highway between Coney Island Ave and East 10th was using the very same “Cholov Yisroel” milk container ( for those who asked for it ) with the same exp date every day for a long time, for a long time after the exp date, somehow the same bottle was always full and it never spoiled…mamesh a miracle
If they are willing to save a dollar by keep on refilling the same empty cholov yisoel milk container with cholov stam milk, and serve cholov stam milk to customers who clearly think they are getting CY milk, I wonder what else are they willing to save a buck or more on when no one is looking
We noticed DD on Ave P between McDonald and East 2nd was using the very same “Cholov Yisroel” milk container ( for those who asked for it ) with the same exp date every day for a long time, for a long time after the exp date, somehow the same bottle was always full and it never spoiled…mamesh a miracle
Also another “kosher” DD was caught putting an employee’s Bacon in the same microwave they used for customers …….that’s when they lost the chof k
In short I would not eat from DD even with a hechsher….unless a yid owns and runs it (which I don’t think is the case in any ) and a good hashgocha
If they are willing to save a dollar by keep on refilling the same empty cholov yisoel milk container with cholov stam milk, and serve cholov stam milk to customers who clearly think they are getting CY milk, I wonder what else are they willing to save a buck or more on when no one is looking