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I find it interesting that his idea of getting along is telling people to say nice things about him.
I am certainly not your student, you definitely, aren’t my teacher, and random advice is not the outcome of preparation so I have no clue what you are trying to say.
” Trump is turning ameracin politics into tribal corruption.”
Oh thanks for the comic relief. Trump lives on in people who hate him but you still call him out. Cute.
“Amusing to find such hatred for Trump even here.”
Yes, odd. But honestly they sound bigger than they are because everyone else has learned that there is no point in responding. They aren’t listening, and based on some of the last posts they aren’t even accurately reading what they are reporting. I was hoping they’d burn themselves out and find something else to talk about but it seems that every time Biden destroys something, they find a need to rant about trump again.
I thought global warming was a joke long before I knew what a liberal was, or who was running for president that year. I thought it was so ridiculous, and additionally out of line with Torah thought, that I was sure it was a joke.
So no, it aint nothing related to politics.“This statement reads like a “wink wink”. Like when one parent says no to a kid to show solidarity with the other parent, but the kid knows he’s getting what he wants from the first one.”
I went back to read that statement. I know nothing about the sources so I have no idea what trust to place in them or not but I will say that it did not read that way. That you just can’t be objective, and that disqualifies you. If you know you are throwing in 2% sheker or loshon hora to 98% truth you don’t have permission to proceed.
” learn for half and think how to summarize for the family the other half.”
This has got to be one of your most bizarre suggestions
So I don’t visit those websites and have no reason to. But if your point is visibility you forgot these:
The guys with 20 ft banners on their houses
The guys driving around with yellow flags
The guys in the parking lots
The guys in the parks in Israel
The guys in many chabad houses
The families I bring food to
The rabbi who gives me names to call about said food
The rabbis in the malls with the menorah
The rabbis on the newsYeah, a bit more accessible.
So can my 3 year old grandson. But I was using it to disagree with your not true statement. He just uses it cuz he’s annoyed and can’t think of anything intelligent to say
Thank you Mr. Tuna for illustrating that my points indeed are factual observations and not stereotypes.
And for calling all of us out for the comments of one angry man, exactly as you asked not be done.Proof, as they say, in the pudding
Well that’s a little silly. If they didn’t care what we thought, they wouldn’t spend 100’s of pages accusing us of sinas chinam.
“Chazal and Chabad, speak openly about tzaddikim being alive posthumously. This talk irks the non-Chabad.”
nah
nom – that rule doesn’t apply in this type of case.
If I fly a certain airline and am met with a set of experiences, it is fair to say that I cannot extrapolate that all airlines will share this outcome. If I go to a chabad house and there is tons of food and hundreds of people I can’t assume all chabad houses are the same.
But if you talk to many lubavitchers, read publications and see videos where the same philosophies or beliefs systems are stated, I may not be able to generalize that all lubavitchers love PR or all lubavitchers are into media but there would be no basis to wake up in the morning and say that, although they have all spread the same message, perhaps there is a whole group spreading a different message somewhere but keeping it so quiet that the message goes no where. And the absence of any push back from them would normally mean agreement but perhaps out of nowhere I should just poof, come up with an idea that perhaps really nobody agrees with this very loud, very public, very consistently unified group, they just don’t want to say anything against it. They hope the idea just falls into your brain on its own that maybe even tho you hear the same song over and over it may not be the real song.You can’t apply that to this type of situation.
TS Baum – you aren’t making sense. You say you don’t want to come out denouncing them but then you complain when people think they represent all Lubavitchers. How would I know that you don’t think that way if I only meet people who do? How would I know that you are not a single minority if I only know, meet, talk to, read about people who do think that way. You can’t have it both ways. If the loud and proud are speaking for you, and you make no move to argue, you can’t expect anyone at all to know the difference.
So basically if non chabadniks ask you about what you do, and your answers don’t shtim so they question it, then that’s machlokes and sins chinam?
You are aware, I assume, there is the concept of moshiach ben david?
Really? Where?
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Avira – strongly disagree. Just read GH and AAQs posts. The go to is to point out how lacking we are in our middos
Oh wise one, which part of that was name calling? You write nasty posts filled with names and adjectives that would put most potty mouthed kindergartens to shame and you don’t like it to be pointed out that your anger is unbecoming? Tough luck, life’s rough.
P.s.that was the issue at hand.“You have to stop stereotyping.”
I am not stereotyping. I am repeating back or responding to things being said here. When 25 chabadniks come on posting as chabadniks in these types of threads, and every single one starts calling out sinas chinam at nothing, it gets a bit coincidental. Except there are no coincidences. If I think Chassidim (non lubavitch) are wrong for davening after zman and start asking them about it and asking for proofs (i think it has happened here in the past), their response is usually to come back with some sources – either rebbes or textual. If I push and disagree they will probably tell me to have a nice life. Sinas chinam wouldn’t even be a thought.
But somehow, with lubavitchers that is the response here over and over again. And it’s baseless. And when a bunch of people over the globe throughout a decade all use the same invalid response, the assumption is that it was either implied, taught or fed to them as a group. It would be hard to coordinate an error on that level any other way.Your old fashioned pipe dreams used to just sound like wishes for the ‘good ole days’. Now you are sounding more like a man in his 90’s unable to cope with the turn of the century. Are you hoping for horse and buggies as well or just dreaming of a world that was?
And stop with the sins chininam thing. Everytime someone has a legitimate question on something you do you start screaming sins chinam. It happens too often to be coincidence. If a yid sees something he learned is wrong his job is to ask. Stop calling that sina.
“The way I understand the concept of going to a tzaddik or …”
Exactly. And that doesn’t shtim with your explanation of tzaddik government.
Extremists acting like animals and extremist teaching and spreading Kefira are not equateable
Separately, 192 Republicans voted no on a bill to staff up the FDA to help manage formula supply.
…on a bill
meant to address the ongoing baby formula crisis in the form of increased funding for the Food and Drug Administration. HR 7790 proposed a $28 million cash infusion to help the FDA address the current formula shortage and prevent future supply chain issues. DeLauro told NBC before the vote that most of the cash in her legislation would go to staffing up the FDA and bolstering its inspection force.Fixed that for you.
Very surprised at your misrepresentation.
Tochen according to who? I find the topic uninteresting but am always focused on people’s twisting of words, misrepresenting other’s opinions and throwing insults when they run out of things to say. To me that is always the tochen.
“Going to a tzaddik to ask for a brachah should be on the list of serving ‘avodah zara’, right? It would be signifying that he is the one who control eveything. Takeh.”
this is silly. it is one proof of what I said above, that you don’t have any idea how things work outside of what you have learned and lived. Why you would consider that an insult is interesting, considering it is a hallmark of the cheder education.
Do you think that when we go to a tzaddik for a brachah we are signifying that he is the one controls everything? Or are you saying that that is what you do so you assume we do as well?
Spoiler alert – that is never a consideration on either side of the tzaddiks desk.Baum – you hide it well
Marxist – I was specifically referring to him
Baum – it is so obvious you know nothing of the jews or torah world outside of lubavitch. Except what they taught you inside.
do you really think anyone can take you seriously with all that spittle all over your face?
It doesn’t. People argue about certain behaviors, actions and/or hashkafos that may be in conflict with Torah. If you decide to take ownership or offense than you’re missing the point. If what you do aligns with Torah than who cares what they say.
Confirming prior by missing information that disputed it 3 times is being blinded by hate. That wording just absolved you from taking full responsibility for it.
I didn’t mean they are concerning me, I meant they are of concern to me, in response to you saying they should not concern anyone
Where is the discrepancy? Their attitude toward religion is obviously no healthier than their spirituality. If it was they wouldn’t be so lost and inconsistent.
Please don’t be sorry, my impulse control is my problem alone.
I don’t know what you mean by keeping your personal devotion off the internet, it shapes every response. It is revealed in the words you chose and avoid.
I am glad you are comfortable around all jews, and I too don’t understand the need to posture unless there is a point to make. And sometimes there is, even if we aren’t liking it.
But your attitudes about religion not concerning anyone? Of course they concern me. You’re a Jew and your spiritual well being matters to me.“Nonchalant? I thought I was getting too heated. I deleted some posts instead of submitting them.”
I am talking about your attitude toward religion. You are talking about your posts. This happens a lot and takes too much tangential explanations to make a point. I try not to but in til the point when I can’t help it.
You can’t cope with a jew who makes poor money choices but you sit here trying to find ways around shabbos. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your lack of torah priorities are the worst chilul of all them
“But I’ve only seen yechi used roughly the same as na nach.”
total hogwash
that was a bit of a typo, tho it may not change your response. I meant your defense is weak. not that you are defensive. you seem to be saying that something isnt true cuz it sounds good to you. and if he thinks its wrong its cuz of his perspective. its not quite so simple and again, for you to say that people are just picking on chabad because they are different or cuz they are chabad is silly and so far from rational. If there wasn’t legitimacy on at least some level it would not hold up thru so many leaders consistently thru so many years. You are just being simplistic and non chalant because you find that comfortable and have already painted the rest of the religious world to be overdramatic, also because you find that comfortable, not because you are right.
Hatred blinds. And now that you know you are not immune you have an achriyus to do something about it
I’m struggling to figure out how that response connects to my statement
nom – I am not saying Avirah is right or wrong, but you seem to be grasping at straws. You defensives don’t all hold water.
Try again
Avirah – did you even read the article?
At least for him it’s just a side hustle
Jack- thanks for that
Wow. Guess you gave up on the “I just want to give a voice to the other side” and jumped right back to the make up my own facts and call you liars. Not just that but the insane twisting of the Republicans stance on killing babies. Or did you not know that those clumps of cells were babies? I forgot where you get your info.
I’m sorry you think it’s okay to insult people on a regular basis as long as you pretend it’s a joke. If this is the torah true atmosphere you create in your home than I feel sorry for you. “Hey kids, those black hatters may look devoted devoted to Torah but I have a list of faults for you to focus on. If we can label them as fake we don’t have to strive to imitate any of their selflessness”
How much of your trash talking do we have to listen to? It is amazing how you can turn any conversation or joke into a complaint about black hats, jews etc. I’m sure there are other forums that would love to hear complain incessantly about all the typical bigotry, personally it would be nicer to hear something less offensive if not actually positive.
“Would be helpful to have a confirmation of this, and would then serve me a reminder not to make judgments from fragmented and selected information.”
No it wouldn’t. You can’t stop yourself from trashing chareidim no matter how hard you have to work to make it real.Says mister reliable and unbiased…
“Every Jewish group says that about their leaders,”
No they don’t.
“They do not think much of what everyone else should be doing”
don’t think this is true either. Hence proselytizing frum people.
I am finding much of what you are saying her to not match at all with the things I have heard them say, experienced among them, but I did not spend overnights in yeshivos and a very large part of my community is mashichist. So with that being said – I disagree with your understanding of why people seem to care too much, in your opinion, about what they are doing. It is because they are doing very public things and representing Judaism to a lot of people in very public ways. If you do that, and it isn’t what it should be, then of course everyone will have their say. And that isn’t to say that it’s all wrong. But it is to say it isn’t all right. And I don’t like the way some of that “public” walk away thinking about Torah Jews and Judaism due to that exposure.
moishe – you are either clueless or have an odd sense of humor. care to enlighten us?