Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
“Why are Yeshiva bein hazmanim so long?”
theyre not. and just because you don’t want/need time with your kid to bond, be mashpia, check in on them, their progress, well being, state of mind and overall mental health, don’t impose that on me and my kid.Who decided to fog up the conversation with alcohol discussion? And what in the world is your point? In our communities we have bochurim arriving drunk to simcha, grown men stumbling out of shabbos morning kiddushes and teens collapsing unconscious from shalom zachor hopping. The thread wasn’t for naming every chabad thing that bothers you, it was an attempt to get answers to troubling practices and beliefs.
Your appearant frustration at people’s questions is misplaced.
@samthenylic,
Do you ever try be a source of Nachas to your parents? I guess not.So your thinking that’s an answer?
If your only response is a dig, don’t press submit. I brings your credibility to question
5ish, regarding the tefillin story, nobody is saying that we don’t need intermediaries. We are objecting to declaring the intermediary a kol yachol, claiming to know he had no yetzer hora and declaring him a partner of Gd.
I much appreciate your attempt to clarify your beliefs but, as you said you did not follow the thread, you may have missed some points being made that represent chabad very differently.
Kol tuv
I don’t know what killing yetzer haras has to do directly with the conversation.
me neither. I don’t even know where you got that from. DY already said what I was gonna say, that we weren’t arguing about giving a kvittel, davening at a kever, building a connection even with a “dead rebbe” as you phrased it. The problem is the other side of that. When someone makes a connection with a Rebbe who was niftar and makes bakashos from him, when it comes to be, the response of the petitioner is that the rebbe succeeded in pleading his case to Hashem. Nobody would ever say the words, “let me tell you about some personal experiences I have had with the Rebbe” when referring to a rebbe who died before they were born. I have not found SY or you to make such claims, but CS has made many like this (including that one). That was one piece of what was being addressed in regard to communicating with someone who was niftar, it was the impression of the role that niftar is playing.
Ive lost both parents and two sisters. When I have a bakasha for something that one of them lived thru or helped others thru, I will specifically call out to them in prayer begging them to advocate for me. I speak to them directly, though they have died, and I believe their negius to both me and the cause will have more influence before Hashem than the prayers of a guf but I don’t believe for a second that they are orchestrating the salvation through their oneness with Gd. They are advocates. Any salvation they bring is Gds doing.
I know you know this. I am not hearing that it is universally accepted. I am hearing disturbing comments to the contrary. Saying they are disturbing is not being mean, it is following Torah.
5ish- thank you for bringing up that point. There are countless stories about rabbeim of all stripes who did such miracles and nobody doubted any of it. The problem, again, is that CS will make the statement and then add the inference. She lists the miracles and then claims that it proves the rebbe’s equivalence to a Malachi, having conquered his y”h (not something a person is qualified to conclude) or oneness with Hashem. When the response was that we don’t accept the automatic jumped-to conclusion, she assumed we were denying that tzaddikim do this. Frankly, it just wasn’t even worth correcting her but since you brought it up…yes, rabbeim were capable of these types of miracles and there are endless stories about them. You are correct. It was neither unique to the lubavitcher rebbe’s, nor proof of the things CS (alone) attaches to it as fact.
This thread is like the embodiment of the expression “If you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas”
is this supposed to be a way of expressing what is bothering you and educating the ignorant so that they should become educated? Why in the world can we not get answers that don’t involve this kind of garbage? Not being Chabad, knowing Chabad or learning Chabad means everything I say is an attack and I can’t possibly be worthy of any of the information that you are so tightly guarding that you would rather treat me like dirt than share? Nice. I wasn’t aware of that. I always thought that there were answers and that asking the questions would be a way of attaining them.
This thread and the last have been such a sad awakening. And I DON’T say that as an attack, I say it with genuine sadness for all the information I thought was out there. and for the expectations that they were going to be shared, and for the knowledge I had expected to gain. and for the new understanding of how little us “outsiders” actually mean to you…..
For that reason, I don’t agree with using the pillow picture as a source of the problem.
then don’t, but your presentation of what you see as the argument is more than a bit off. Which is probably why you don’t agree with it.CS – I don’t think there were two questions, one about the picture and one about the bris. The question (NOT MINE) was about putting a picture where it IS NOT VISIBLE, which is done at a bris. This was stated, restated and restated at least three times so, again, I have to wonder if you are innocently distorting the questions (WHICH AREN’T MINE) or deliberately.
5ish – thanks for joining the attacks! Love when people call you names for not being learned. Although I say again that hearing it from you is surprising. If you think someone is missing information instead of deciding to degrade them, try explaining. I’m pretty sure it’s more halachically appropriate and it certainly would go further. If you and your buddies cannot shake the old impressions and will accuse every questioner of being insincere then you are in the wrong profession.
Illustrating the point, CS was asked by someone else about using a tzaddik picture specifically when it is placed where it cannot be seen. And the point of it not being seen was echoed by him and others. CS responded with a lesson on sight and the reasons for looking at a tzaddik picture. My first thought is to was to “resubmit” the question, emphasizing the fact that the ikkar was overlooked. A comment to the process, not the question or answer.
At least now I understand where the misunderstanding is…thank you. These are not my questions, these are questions that were asked and then not quite answered so, as I have often done on this forum, I was reiterating the actual question thinking I could make it more clear. Which is why I started with, “I am pretty sure that is a fairly common concept, the question has been, if you will go back to check it again, ” and i end with “the question was”, but i probably should have written, “the question had been” , or “their question had been”. Noted for future reference.
yes, exactly. on page three there are many posts from me commenting on how peoples questions are being avoided, how unfair the criteria are to get answers, how comments are being slammed instead of responded to, how there seems to be a double standard in the process, how we are unfairly expected to give respect before being given reason to do so, and how questions seem to be distorted.
youll probably be sorely disappointed when you find out that half of Lakewood is actually not using this therapy and many people never even heard of it. But hatzlacha anyway.
youre a funny guy. I actually am not bringing questions nor am i commenting on the responses. This is the second time you’ve said my response is because i am not happy with your explanaitions of Chabad practices but i haven’t asked about any nor responded about them. So you are either confusing me with someone else, or making it up entirely. My complaints have been about the way you treat people, degrade people, insult people instead of answering. I commented on your behavior toward people and your “defense” or knee jerk comeback was to insult me for my name, comments i never made about your “unfamiliar customs”, and some stupid fairy tale non related to anything going on here.
tip- if you want to prove someone is wrong about something, don’t personify their complaints in your response.
if you cant answer someone without your guns drawn then you are the wrong person to respond. It isn’t so odd that people would expect patience and clarity from people who’s lives are devoted to spreading their teachings. PLEASE, either stop with the sarcastic put downs, or find something else to do. Why cant you understand the premise of this whole thread – people who DO NOT agree with or approve of Chabad practices are ASKING for clarity on some of the points they HAVE BEEN TAUGHT are problematic. Do you want to give them clarity or do you just want to prove your middos seem to be lacking here. enough already. If you only speak to believers than this thread is NOT for you.
CS – I’m sorry that’s your upteitch. You couldn’t be more wrong. You are asking us to accept statements that our own daas Torah says is wrong while you should be allowed to say whatever you want and demand whatever you want. If you cannot answer someone’s question on the rebbes words without insisting that they give him the same legitimacy you do that is plain crazy. Why in the world do you think we are asking in the first place! Because we don’t know your reasons and would like to hear them. But every time we explain why a concept is something we have been educated against, you decide its called chutzpah and slam the door.
Well guess what, that is what WE were taught. How dare you ask us to shed the directives of our mesorah in order to give you respect that you can’t even give us the decency of defending? You keep speaking to us as if we are an audience that is supposed to just sit and listen and nod our heads when your words are clear, and raise our hands when we have questions, instead of learned people who have comments and disagreements. If you have legitimate responses, THEN GIVE THEM ALREADY! You were asked to explain concepts that are foreign to us. If you don’t think your beliefs are defendable then just say so.
SY – for the hundredth time, instead of spitting, try answering. You are so volatile that instead of saying, “I am sorry you have this false impression, let me clear this up for you” (which is what we have been asking) your response is, “you all make me sick and I expected nothing less and instead of offering you any information I will just tell you all what I think of you”
not too productive.
aww – speaking of gaava…
you just turned a potentially constructive conversation to garbage. And were actually complimented for it and encouraged. How pitiful. It seems that answering legitimate questions isn’t a possibility and that taking an opportunity to enlighten a bunch of people who have been misinformed all their lives is still not worth your time because in the end we are just a bunch of filthy misnagdim. Just as someone on another thread claimed you felt all along.You disgust me.
I am not sure why but it seems you think people are asking why it’s okay to ask rebbeim for brachos. I am pretty sure that is a fairly common concept, the question has been, if you will go back to check it again, how you are thinking you have gotten a response from someone who is no longer alive? We all daven by kivrei tsaddikim and HASHEM answers us. not the tsaddik. Even if He answers THROUGH the tefillos of the tsaddik. This idea of getting present day responses to present day specifics as if he answered is the question. And it is not a chassidus question as they do not do this once the rebbe has died.
I am still trying to tell if you deliberately distort the questions or if you really don’t understand them as they were written. On the chance it is not deliberate:
@syag I never said or implied I’m so smart and you’re all not.
that wasn’t my claim. you have made several comments about how your concepts are too deep for most of us and have commented several times that it’s too hard to understand. Mostly because someone disagreed and you assumed it was a lack of comprehension.
And like you said we are all frum yidden, so it shouldn’t be so difficult to expect respect for Torah as that should be a frum value
My mention of being frum was not made in this context. As you know, I brought up being frum as a way of explaining to you that we too have rebbeim and Torah giants and a mesorah and will also defend our Rebbeim and Torah so asking us to set aside what we know is right and wrong so that you can feel respected is not acceptable. If you think my mention of being frum was about being respectful, then you seem to have missed my most important point.
.About the brain reference, that’s Tanya perek beis. Concept of all yidden being one neshama is brought down in Zohar. And expounded upon in many places in Chassidus. Also Tanya perek beis.
You must be aware that it was not the Zohar portion I was commenting on, it was claiming the Rebbe is the brain. I said the comment is problematic and you answer with the portion that isn’t and bring sources. Is this a deliberate omission? Is this how all of our sincere questions will be “answered”? You claim xyz are attributes of the Rebbe, and as a source you bring that xyz exist. That doesn’t begin to explain your statement and I feel you are making a fool of our sincerity. If there are answers, why can’t we have them? If I tell you that a donkey told me who was going to be moshiach, and my source was that donkeys indeed speak as we see in parsha with Balak, that would be insulting, denigrating and a distortion of Torah. Please do not do that in answering our sincere questions either.
in a respectful manner.
As I said, you are asking for respect but not willing to acknowledge the disrespect to our own gedolim and talmidei chochomim. Please understand that.
Rather, he is Hashem’s messenger telling me what my lifes mission is. A personal message from Hashem – relayed to me via his Roeh Neeman. And if that’s what I’m meant to do, that means this is what I was created for and given my set of talents for. And if course, fulfilling my mission will help me live life to the fullest
that is not special for lubavitch. that is how we all do things and how we all see the messages delivered by our gedolim and rabbeim. The problem is the Rebbe is not alive and could not have told you that. He is not here to be a personal messanger and give you advice. and THAT is what is in question.
Please go back to answering Toi, his questions are valid, thought out and speak for many.
SY – for example – the line “All yidden are one neshama split between many bodies. The “brain” of the neshama, is the Rebbe.” steps out of the boundaries of anything most of us would consider a Torah thought. If we say so, is that an attack? are we allowed to defend Torah as well? if we don’t like it are we out for blood?
no need to respond, i don’t want to make a side conversation. I just think that you seem highly unaware of how you are coming across because of your expectations.
Ok, I think we need to clarify a couple things. SY – you need to just chill out. On the last thread, though there were legitimate questions, there was a lot of spewing and emotions on BOTH sides of the proverbial fence. But you need to stop throwing a fit and calling people out for blood because they are questioning concepts that they have been taught are WRONG. just as you are fighting against what you were taught is WRONG. So calm down.
CS – I would like you to step back a second and have some understanding for what you are saying that you might not hear (which will explain why you don’t understand the responses you are being given). When someone raised learning from sources that loose pants are acceptable for women approaches me about why I believe she is not clothed b’tzniut, that is not called an attack. And I shouldn’t need to have contractual agreements about the preface for our conversations in order to answer her. You are talking to intelligent, learned, Torah observant Jews who have been learning and following talmidei chochomim for generations. Giants in Torah. If they want to ask you a question about things they have been told are foundation of your observance, that THEY have learned are wrong – you are wrong telling them: they are too simple to absorb your lofty learnings (there are plenty unlearned and “simple” chabadniks too) , or theat they are being disrespectful. You may not understand how your comments about the Rebbe are very very belittling of all the great Gaonim of the generations in our eyes just as you feel our non acceptance is disrespectful to you.You are going to have to accept that non chabadniks are entitled to defend their mesorah and Torah against anything they feel threatens it, and your job as a shlucha here is to provide that knowledge that would teach them why they are incorrect in that premise. But to start slamming doors on people for not holding your rebbe in the highest regard, which would go against our own mesorah, while you are unknowingly doing the same is just wrong.
You may have to accept that there are people who have learned Chabad ways are wrong, they are asking you to give them information to change that understanding, and that the answer to all the questions CANNOT be expected to be: you are all too simple, you have to acknowledge who my rebbe was before i will tell you why you should, and you have to accept everything he says even if you believe that your years of learning have taught you different.
I don’t think you realize you are saying this, and I think you believe you aren’t, but that is how it is coming across. If you want respect for your Rebbe and your derech. then explain why, and allow people to respect their mesorah, Torah and gedolim as well.
I get the impression, by your thinking that their questions are different and thinking Toi had a question on chassidus, that you may not be able to have objectivity in regard to what behaviors are halachically appropriate. If you are raised believing that one can dub himself mashiach, how could you possibly understand how wrong it really is? Your answers are usually directed at how to address people’s views of your actions instead of how you can justify them.
“Of course food coloring and sugar, white flour are always recipes for hyper activity ”
Not meaning to derail but feel a need to clarify that those things are not always recipes for hyperactivity unless the child has a specific sensitivity that causes that reaction.
HI Shticky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Neither I nor my wife has any bitcoins. I think it is a fraud and when it crashes, many people will be hurt.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😉
Hi!! Always comforting to see someone from the alte heim
How’s your sister?“Whats up with the anti-bnei torah?”
I second that
Sounds like a lot of people are quick to condemn. I get the impression the OP is concerned about the disrespect her daughter has to live with, not lamenting the lack of kavod she is receiving.
It may be easier to say what you are looking for and I can tell you if it seems like a match.
I find that hard to believe…
absolutely 100% true for some people. Telling some people how much Hashem loves them just fosters the feeling that Hashem knows they mean well and accepts them for who they are, not always motivating change. For some people, knowing that the fires of gihenom await them for specific actions is enough to jolt them out of participating or going deeper into it, and refraining from the behaviors brings more clarity, thereby encouraging the person to stay away long term and grow further.
I’ve heard about it from speakers, seen it in others and experienced it myself. And if you read Dr. Twerski’s experiences with drug and alcohol addicts, he tells you that they have to hit rock bottom. They have to actually see the gihenom they have brought on themselves and their families because until you understand the severity of the consequence, you don’t have a strong enough opposing force to the pull of the addiction.
Joseph yelling at people is worthless, but legitamte Torah sources and Rabbanim teaching the firey consequences to certain behaviors and lifestyles is life changing. If not for you, then that’s you. Many people out there are not you.
untreatable does not mean it can’t be cured, it means there is no treatment. Bipolar Disorder has various treatments that can leave a person stable for years on end. If that is the case for someone, it does not matter that they are on meds, it matters that their behavior is predictable and that their condition is stabilized and they can be trusted to be a reliable spouse or parent. If you have found a successful treatment for BPD that does not involve meds then I wish you tremendous hatzlocha but please remember that it isn’t whether or not you are on meds that is important, it is your ability to function predictably and productively in society as a Torah Jew.
You obviously do not know a lot. Bipolar Disorder is untreatable. It can be controlled by medication.
speaking of not knowing….controlling with medication is a treatment.
There are many, many, many people with bipolar disorder who are very stable and are living very productive lives with their manic and depressive episodes far in their past.
If that is true of those with BPD, I have not yet heard of it.Picture this – I can only assume that the intelligent and worldly CR readers understood that it was not a comment on the slaves but rather on the incompetence of the rich pampered slave owners.
“People need to be more aware of illnesses like BPD.
A girl of boy with BPD doesn’t stand a chance on being a normal spouse without intensive therapy. (Therapy usually doesn’t help..) It’s criminal to marry off such a child!”Sounds like you are the one who needs to be more aware of BPD because the rest of your statement is false and a horrible disservice to the people with bipolar disorder who are very stable and are excellent spouses and parents.
(As per Daas Torah, I’m not in favor of pictures in general.)
as per daas torah I outright refuse“there are trolls who write posts for the sake of riling people up and causing machlokes regardless of their views.”
That’s not trolling. When David Duke publishes his Antisemitism, it’s not trolling; he really believes the stuff. It riles people up because he’s a jerk, not a troll.David Duke did not post for the sake of riiling people up. You mentioned the David Duke ilk in your post. I was mentioning others.
“Neville, this forum has its own slang”
Yes it does, but “trolling” is not CR specific slang. It’s a popular internet slang word which just happens to be misused a lot on this site.my only answer to that is that if you weren’t where you shouldn’t be it wouldn’t be bothering you.
there are trolls who write posts for the sake of riling people up and causing machlokes regardless of their views.
I didn’t mean wrong about posters listening to English music, I meant about her post not being shiach to kosher music. We haven’t gotten a CD in ages.
joseph – if youre gonna be nasty, at least be informed. you are totally wrong on this one
Meno – it doesn’t “have anything to do with” it, but if I used to subtract (in rough numbers) 12k for standard deduction and then 40k for exemptions i subtracted 52k off the top of my income. Now I will subtract 24k but not the 40k so it will only give me a 24k reduction in taxable income. An empty nester was deducting 12k with 8k in exemptions and will now deduct 12k, which means they come out ahead in that regard. don’t see how the doubling could make an empty nester not gain something by the doubling or how he meant that it was meaningless.
I can get you a calculator if that would help….CTLawyer – I hear what you are saying, and I would probably cry at the thought of you selling the compound I have grown to love, but i am still not sure you answered the question. The doubling of the standard deduction is MORE meaningful to those without exemptions as they can now deduct more, not less. I will have to lose out on thousands in exemptions but empty nesters come out ahead.
cotton was once the standard…but that is not the case anymore.
that’s cuz when the slaves were freed the plantation owners couldn’t figure out how to get the cotton picked so we only had enough to last us til recently and that’s it.
CT- not sure what you mean by this:
The increase in the standard deduction is pretty meaningless for Mrs. CTL and myself, we have no dependents.if you have no dependents then this standard deduction is more meaningful, not less. You get a 30k deduction instead of half that with no loss to the exemptions not being included.
Unless you mean that it’s meaningless because you choose to itemize. Which, thanks to the garbage Obamacare that messed over everyone except you and your family (may they live many, many long healthy years) the medical bills are finally exceeding my exemptions.
{sarcasm – except that brocha for your family}Joesph, it is true that a tax credit is more beneficial than a deduction as your deductions can zero you out but the credits are a cash in hand refund. The problem is that it isn’t $2000 for kids under 17. It’s $2000 minus education credits. and you can be supporting 10 unmarried kids without having a handful under 17.
It’s amazing that he was released within hours of the presidential commutation, on the very same day….. it takes at least days if not weeks
duh!!!!
it’s called diversion.
Do you think it’s a coincidence that the communities most affected by the personal exemption cut are the ones dancing and praising the president? I wouldn’t say that is WHY he commuted the sentence but the timing isn’t really hard to figure out.by the way, the aguda put out a statement with a nice explaination of where the tax bill hurts and helps.
and regarding the OP and thread title – this wasn’t about being an ohev yisroel, it was about NOT turning a blind eye to a trial gone bad. I don’t know that Rubashkin is innocent and letting him out for being Jewish would be just as dumb as keeping him in there for that reason. You either have fair justice system or you don’t. His prosecution was corrupt, it was proven and ignored, Trump did what Obama should have done years ago when the proof came thru.
I stand corrected, the standard deduction is increasing dramatically but personal exemptions are gone. Yes, that could be a hardship for some with more income
CT – once again it seems that your hate for trump makes it hard for you to see rationally or stay in touch with reality. You lauded the Obamacare which destroyed the ability for most of my community (and beyond) to get any health services because the plan was either a scam or they could no longer afford to take a sick kid to the doctor. I have a friend who ISNT low income who cant afford the endoscopy his doctor recommended. It goes on and on but you aren’t interested because you haven’t seen it yourself.
this line – “How many CR readers i the northeast pay more than 10K per year in real estate taxes, how many pay state and local income tax….deductions gone”
maybe i misunderstand your weeping, who’s paying more than 10K in real estate taxes? And deductions gone? only after 7.5 percent of your income if I read correctly. And frankly, the only reason so many of ended up not owing taxes was not because of those deductions, those deductions rarely exceeded the standard deductions which are now increasing.I feel sorry for your $20,000 loss….well at least I am trying to since I care about you and your pain, but you seem to be weeping for the rich under the guise of caring for the low income families without seeming to have an inkling of how their lives work.
You may have $20,000 less tzedaka to give, which is honestly an awful thing for you and the receiving charities, but some in my neck of the woods are waiting with bated breath for that extra $80 in their paycheck so they can buy some amoxicillin.