🍫Syag Lchochma

Haimy – I’m sorry for your frustration. You seem to want an answer for this crisis and pool of thousands but won’t allow for the possibility that not everyone agrees there is a pool of thousands. You believe the numbers claim so you want to know how others explain it away. Well it has been said many a time that not everyone buys into it so it doesn’t need explaining. Like the claim that there “probably are” 100’s of elderly women as well. There is not adequate validity to the numbers. If you want to buy into it, feel free. But don’t be foolish enough to assume there isn’t a different perspective.

A debate is about ideas, your comment was to “anti-nasi people vs rational explanation”.
Pretend someone you respect wrote my post and youll see what i meant.

The idea that you bring freddies list as any type of “evidence” is part of the answer to your confusion. You may not be aware that freddie will only “service” a very specific (poorly defined by some as exclusive) portion of klal yisroel. His list does not contain a sampling that can be generalized by any strech of the imagination into a representation of the real world.
At the same time it may represent the problem with the stats.

It’s a processing issue.

Last names aren’t first names. I have several Shabbos guests who have gone thru that process and it isn’t always easy. i would say first and foremost, you don’t demand anything, you ask. and don’t get hung up on it either or they may prefer not to call you anything. Just ask, use the name yourself, and in time it sticks.

“If he’s not on the level of the mir maybe one of the brisker yeshivos like reb avraham yehoshua or reb dovid (maybe reb tzvi) will be good for him.”

Huh??

Among other things

Two seperate posters, two seperate mazel tovs, one big happy family.

🙈 <whoops>
I meant mazel tov to two of our posters! I just didnt know if they wanted to be named. {Blush}

Two huge Mazel Tovs, one local and one overseas!!!!!

Correction – ONE of your identities on that screen name…..

Golfer you are talented! And you are kind in your mussar, you must not have learned said halacha.
😉

Back to my cleaning in your zchus…

Joseph, your inability to discern reality from self perceptions of reality is heartbreaking. To continue to spew motzei shem ra is beyond the pale. The only reason I can even tolerate it is knowing you have no credibility for truth here.
Even the way you twist this comment that he has NO problem with the Halacha but wonders if we are qualified to carry it out and you switch it to mean that he said it doesn’t apply as a Halacha. You are manipulative and dangerous. I have said for years that your posts should be deleted, you do more damage to the spirituality of people reading these boards than any modern day revisionist because you hide behind the cloak of chareidi-ism and a persona of being learned.

Shame on you.

No Joseph, you don’t get it. And it is disgusting to twist his words around and pretend he said something he didn’t. Just as it is disgusting when you, and a handful of others on this site misuse that Halacha as an excuse to trash people. It isn’t the Halacha being questioned. As Phil asks, when did you ever hear a story of the chofetz chaim berating or mistreating anyone in the fashion you are using. Or Reb Aryeh Levin, or tens of other authentic gedolim who knew the Halacha and people better than you ever will. Do you consider yourself more proficient in the mastery of Halacha than the Chofetz Chaim himself? How dare you accuse someone of not liking the Rambam when they complain about YOUR ‘derech’ of implementing it?
Some of you seem to use this Halacha in the same way the getting drunk on purim Halacha is used. You’ve selected this to be the one that you perfect and fulfill to the outmost.

you have a point that this doesn’t really belong in the news, let alone on YWN, but I don’t think this is about making fun of older people or aging. I believe the only reason for the mockery is the fact that she is a liar who kept coming up with lies and excuses why she has displayed atypical behaviors over the past years. She can’t bring herself to come clean about anything even when it’s out there in front of everyone. Being caught in (yet another) lie after getting away with so many is what attracts people to this ‘news’. As a therapist who works with people with poor or failing balance (and other therapists can weigh in here) I think more telling than a slip down the stairs, which seemed pretty slippery, was the response of those around her. When a person is known to be at risk of falling, there is a more apathetic/non crisis type response as you see from those around her. If she was slipping unexpectedly, the reaction/responses of the others in her party would have been quite different.

“Someone stocking grocery shelves, unless they are a friend or relative of the owner, In which case it’s usually getting paid to help out not a career, is usually not someone in the upper strata of society. That’s a fact. Does no good to deny it and nothing wrong with anonymously expressing your feelings that you would not want to marry them. ”

sure, klugeryid, nothin wrong with expressing your anonymous feelings about a non anonymous group of people. Nothing like assuming all guys in that position fit your own personal viewpoint and image of a job in your corner of a world. Nothin wrong with it at all, if you don’t mind being the kind of person who worries more about expressing their opinions than who they offend. Which, by the way, is just the kind of person I judgementally would cross off my list as a potential spouse for any of my kids in a heartbeat.

“without any major scandals,”
“a path to healthcare”
“bringing respect to this country”
” brought an end to al-Qaeda, ” ?????!!!!!!!!

and where exactly did you garnish this information? his autobiography maybe? Or maybe Hilary wrote a bio? Really?

So there are now a whole bunch of WhatsApp shidduch groups and the like where resumes are sent out to hundreds of people all over the world. Besides wondering why someone would actually agree to do that with their daughter’s picture…I have no interest in sharing mine. I have worked with shadchanim who have said that it is perfectly acceptable to refuse but these groups were pretty insistent and said they won’t work with me.

So here’s the question. I don’t care if they won’t work with me, Hashem isn’t limited to phones and internet. But what if someone sends me a random resume they got off the group that they think would be great for my kid? If they won’t redt the shidduch can I just take the name elsewhere? Do they have copyright or something?

11bd – good for you. you should really be commended. TAG is good at securing a smartphone and can tell you which phones are best for this purpose. Your best bet, I think, is to contact them with this question.

HaLeiVi – when you put up a fence in your yard to keep out your neighbors horse, do you test it’s efficiency or just hope for the best?

Nisht you made my day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“In my note above this one I argue that it is possible since we probably all agree that we can influence a departed soul through Hashem. Why then can the departed soul not influence us through Hashem? ”

Eli – I hear and respect your question. I don’t know that I am qualified to answer it completely but there are probably several issues involved. One of them being the ability for any person, any time to determine THE answer based on the page they land on, as well as the statement ,”My Rebbe told me to…” following such a process.
When Hashem sends us messages, we do our best to interpret them, and pray for clarity to receive the message correctly. I don’t relate the experience as “Hashem told me…” it is more appropriate to say “I believe Hashem is telling me…”. Hashem sends us signs all the time through nature and happenings and signs, they are abundant, and can provide answers to any question. To ask a living Rebbe for advice means having someone in this world who is a lot closer to Hashem interpreting and giving over Hashem’s desire/responses. If I am going to go with “signs” that need to be extrapolated from what lies before me, why not just ask Gd Himself? But if you are thinking that in this way you have “spoken to the Rebbe”, and that the Rebbe then spoke to you, than it is not the case of “a soul that has departed influencing us” as you claim above. It is much worse.

SY – how truly sad and unfortunate. No matter what goes on you just can’t stop talking about the hate that you want to believe is seeping thru here. No, we don’t keep going on to different things when one issue is refuted because the issue has not been refuted. The bottom line issues were not addressed appropriately. Yes, CS addressed them by saying “because”. But there were no answers given that actually resolved the halachik and hashkofik problems that were presented. You want to call that hate instead of addressing it, feel free. But that is not fair. You weren’t being hated. People had legitimate concerns and the answers did NOT satisfy their halachik and legitimate questions so they continue having questions and you keep calling it hate. So is it hate that stops you from leaving chabad? No, it is your learning, belief and upbringing. Are we entitled to a learning belief and upbringing? Appearantly not in your eyes. Everything is just hate. And jealousy.

So too bad, because aside from your impulsive emotional outbursts you were one of the only ones who was able to offer some learned and sane perspectives of your life and lifestyle. There was much to be learned from you about things we didn’t know. But if you can’t do it without all the sarcasm and name calling and mud slinging that you imagine to be thrown your way, and accusations of hate ad nauseam, it makes the conversation quite stilted. So the final tactic is to slam the door in a huff. Both of you together. And as you leave with your accusations of hatred, you hope that we somehow can live side by side. hmmm, through that closed door it may be hard to ever find out the answer to that, won’t it.

Iacisrmma – i didnt think this thread needed to focus further on discussing his spiritual lacking, i was trying to say something in his honor.

Woah!! I’m guessing you will rescind this somehow but you are actually claiming that you are declaring someone a tazaddik GAMUR and KNOW they have completely conquered their yetzer hora (not something any human can possibly know about another) based on having heard stories and listened to their speeches?!?! There are endless stories about such miraculous interventions by many many rebbes. You can’t possibly be saying those criteria are adequate for that declaration!! And if you are…I pray you speak for only yourself and not for the Chabadniks anywhere.

if your son was working would expect him to take a vacation 3 months out of the year so that you could spend some time with him and your grandson/granddaughter

you’re confusing me. Your OP was commenting on how the bein hazmanim they have is too long. Now you are asking if we expect someone to make their own. There is a considerable difference between supporting something that exists, and asking something incomparable to be instated.

What about you syag-do you take off from work 3 months out of the year so that you can spend the time bonding with your son?

um..yeah. I gave up working in hospitals for working in the schools so that I could be off whenever my kids were home to bond with them and be involved in their lives. In fact, after my first turned 1, my husband and I decided we would give up a second income altogether to be available to raise our own kids, to be home for them and to be available for school outings when parents were invited. So yeah. But totally thrown off about why that seems like a foreign concept to you.

Both of these arguments sound rather shallow and self centered. Its like saying “I don’t really care how much vacation time he has as long as he spends some of it with me”

This may be the most baffling comment of all. iacisrmma is self centered for wanting to spend time with his son, and I am self centered for wanting to bond with him and be involved in his life. {head scratch}

The comparison to other professions is just a diversion. You opened a thread to discuss the purpose or lack thereof of a system already in place, complaining you may have to spend too much time with your kids perhaps or some other issue. But taking off of a job that doesn’t offer that time is apples and oranges. And as far as I’m concerned, the higher paid executives, doctors, professionals etc are the ones who work less 9-5 shifts, not more.