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Is using the word “clearly” here a bit of poetic license? When you make a point and just through pieces of information and opinions together but express them as facts, do they magically become so? Here’s a bit of advice for you. When you see a video on the internet, it probably doesn’t provide you with all the facts. I know that that is a tough pill to swallow because we see people writing posts regularly that give definitive opinions on things they have no knowledge of, but trust me on this one. Those clips are actually not overflowing with objective information nor a clear picture of the facts.
Hey jaymatt! Very long time no see
ITFT – is there any reason your posts are so nasty? It’s really that awful for you that someone doesn’t support the Yiddish language that you have to resort to so much rudeness? this is not tough love, you must not be familiar with what that actually is.
You seriously throw a demeaning statement like this out – “Should those who are linguistically inept be deemed entitled to have an opinion of worth ?” when many of your posts are filled with incorrect spelling, incorrect use of punctuation and words and an obvious demonstration that English is not your first language.take a step or two back and pack up your slingshot. There are much more legitimate causes to defend.
anti Yiddish agenda! that takes the cake!
Cuz Yiddish is a world cause or a torah true hashkofa that people can have an agenda against it! brilliant!How about the fact that if someone doesn’t like something you do, your agenda is to call him anti torah and religion? How about the fact that you have tied chashivus to Yiddish so now you give yourself permission to knock anyone with a personal opinion against it. A perfectly valid dislike or distate. To the point that some of the posters have actually called degrading or derogatory terms/names to people who view it that way. Assuming those who don’t attach chashivus to Yiddish *must* have some serious anti Torah “agenda”, or at least an anti-semetic one.
Do these made up attachments extend to other things as well? Is there a chance those great defenders of Yiddish- in the name of defending the actual Torah – have just made up yet another venue for knocking people who just don’t quite make the grade?Apy – YES!!! That was exactly what went through my mind when the stupid thread got posted. 👏
Mindless hatred is a pretty strong accusation that does not seem warrented in this thread. And blindness is a two way stteet.
Coffee – i went to coed schools. I think that there were individual relationships that may have been platonic but nobody had only platonic relationships. There was always the awareness of someone you have eyes for or someone you think has eyes for you. It was always an undercurrent. And many platonic relationships morph out of platonic.
I heard that lecture decades ago and it rang true back then. I dont think anyone with a platonic relationship is having that relationship without already having someone else in their mind romantically.everyyidisspecial – thank you for standing up for many people who feel the way you do!
hi arwsf! I definitely remember you and second mammale’s post. think of you and your kids and wonder how life is going now. hoping you have all found some modicum of peace, at least.
hugs!
huju – not sure what you mean
Midwest2 – Nicely said!
Is there really a point to a thread like this? If you really aren’t approaching this with cynicism, there are much more respectful ways of wording the OP. Can we close this now before the arm chair comments begin?
I am floored that someone can make a joke out of this situation and that the mods can actually approve it. Is there anything funny about 12 kids stuck in a cave for months where a rescue diver has already died working on the rescue? Asking anyone if they have ideas is moronic, and people thinking they actually have ideas that the team of 1000 experts may have overlooked is crazy.
This thread is offensive and should never have been approved,icemelter – or should I say litvishechossid? Your unique but oft repeated rant gave you away. I thought it was one username per poster.
Most people around me are glad trump won and haopy with much of what he has accomplished. None are idolizing him, none consider him a role model, none have considered him predictable and dependable.
On the other hand, those who DONT like him, are hostile to the point of aggressive, not just toward him, but his supporters as well. I and others aroind me have experienced situations at work where the “haters of hate” have made thi gs so uncomfortable for us that we left the job or at least considered it. There is no excuse for that. Forget the fact that they excuse the clintons and obama for sick behaviors and political moves they made – if they were honest enough to be consistent Id have much more respect for them. They aggression and spitting angry posts all over the cr and out are at unacceptable levels of aggression and hatred under the guise of “hating hatred”.
Try printing these for your lawns to replace the other signs: “Hate has no home here….unless you dont agree with us”Mind over chatter – beautiful post. Informative, honest and easy to read.
Joseph has an excellent , foolproof method he recommends over and over. Just pretend it isn’t happening, actually insist on it, and POOF, there is goes!You never met me, but you know that my rov never said that. Okay. then how would further conversation be useful? And then you throw in three comments that you copied from my posts.
hey, whatever works for you.oh wise one, I beg your forgiveness for not allowing your attack to go without a response. How is it dribble to have different facts? And what part of your answer required a response? none. You said your piece, I believe you are wrong. You disagreed with me. I still have very good reason to know you are wrong, but there is also no point in saying so because the conversation isn’t going anywhere. just like it didn’t last time. If you ever look into the subject and feel like having an exchange, let me know.
yitzchok – thanks for attacking the screenname, a sure sign that you have nothing to say on the topic.
Joseph – You don’t have to like it but that doesn’t change the facts. And if the only way for you to refute the FACTS is by pretending I made them up then feel free. I don’t lie.
And speaking of sources, you’re the one with the imaginary statistics. Perhaps you went into a few neighborhood schools and said, “everyone who has molested their sister please raise your hand” ?yitzchokm and Joseph (who often are in sync) – wishful thinking isn’t fact. You have no clue. Many rabbeim have spoken in public stating that boys and girls bedrooms should not be on the same floor of the house unless the parents bedroom is there as well. This is the message from rabbeim and some poskim to the KLAL. So go to some other thread and talk about cigarettes or the joys of beating your wife or other allegedly torahdik habits and leave this one to people who have some knowledge.
“They must be rich if they only buy in the most expensive store, and only buy the most expensive brand.”
no offense but that was kind of a dumb comment…for lack of a more intelligent word
Absolutely, if it was appropriate. But i would first make sure my kid had his facts straight and then find the most halachically appropriate way to say it.
I marvel that you are stuck on the child either being rude or letting it go. If my kid was there he would easily have come to me and asked me, as an adult, to say something to the man. If there were no adults to ask, i have no doubt he would have said something respectful, apologizing for speaking out of turn and kind. He wouldnt argue back or shhh an adult. Is your inability to see more respectful options a product of not having any on the tip of your tongue? How then do you educate yourbown children to have respect?
DY – then it would be your responsibility to find out. You were told what the facts were but you are deciding that they were probably something else and basing the appropriateness of the response on your presumption. Teachers do that all the time – sorry, I mean bad teachers do that all the time and it can be very damaging.
BMG Guy – you are SO correct! This kid’s message may have been right but the kid was wrong. And the idea that there are people condoning his behavior just because the adult was wrong is absurd. If the kid was sincere he would have found a much more humbling way of wording it, knowing he is giving mussar to an adult. The SHHH at the end does not fit in to any defendable category and probably confirms that the first words were no more sincere than the last. I don’t believe for a second a child who is sincere about wanting to prevent a bizayon in shul would ever shush an adult.
Why do people thonk that someone asking for advice or opinions in the CR is “relying” on that information?
i think he said pretty clearly that he does not eat those foods if given the choice and that he does not display disgust to a host. Just because those foods elicit that response in him (and I am right there with him, as are other adults) does not mean he demonstrates the response at a hosts house. And if he said that, why can you not seem to accept it to be so?
I think it is fair to guess that a primary reason why you would not know about those types of food related responses is because you don’t share them so it would not necessarily come up. I have a handful of friends who dread rosh Hashana meals because fish heads turn their stomachs, as do sheeps heads and random other traditional items. We talk about it more then, than other times, and other people probably don’t talk about it at all.assuming we are adults, tho i do not know the exact criteria for that, i should be able to say how much i hate something without one assuming i could care less that they eat it.
woah Avrum – not sure why the hyperfocus on zdads food issues. Unless you happen to have been at a table with him and witnessed something inappropriate I’m not so sure it is your place to be reprimanding him on his feelings about food or how he handles it (based on your perception of how it played out). Your lack of exposure to this has little bearing on whether or not many experience it and since you probably don’t know him, you can’t really know what having him at the table is like. If people want to dicide that someones disgust with certain foods is an attack at their culture then maybe you can schmooze them up a bit about jumping to conclusions, potentially false accusations, judging favorably or a myriad of other wonderful things. And if you are just trying to enlighten him on their point, then possibly present it without the attached judgement regarding his preferences.
“Agreed, though such a visceral reaction to multiple foods in an adult seems unusual to me. ”
I don’t find it so unusual. I just don’t think you would know about it in many instances. I don’t think admitting it in the CR implies giving over that message to a host.iacisrmma – I second your whole last post.
Are you having a two-way conversation?
No. Wired isnt relevant to school children. Taking stimulants instead of sleeping adequately isnt relevant to school children. Do you understand the difference between wired and alert or well rested?
I also despise liver, but would serve it anyway. However if something made me nauseous i wouldnt consider bringing it to the table, just as i wouldny bring out something that made someone else nauseous. Instead of being self centered in our opinions of what other tables should have, we mY need to think more broadly. I agree with the viewpoint of maintaining tradition but not calling someone selfish for accomodating strong dislikes.
To help them manage, not focus. To make them alert when they are exhausted, to make them wired so they have the energy to maintain their focus when their reserves are depleted. Thats not the same thing as giving someone with a limited attention span the ability to focus.
Huh?
Midwest2-the schools are trying to get the kids dosed on riitalin for their behavior but doctors arent usually that stupid. They have diagnistic criteria. I do agree that many parents and schools are the ones putting the kids into situations were they display adhd type behaviors but they dont get mess from honest and *real* doctors wothout meeting criteria. Also, ritalin is speed. When a kid with adhd takes it, it helps him focus. If the kid doesnt have adhd the ritalin is not going to improve his behavior or focus. So one day on the sruff will probabaly be convincing. If it worked, than it probably wasnt wrong. Dont know if that makes sense, typing on my phone is annoying and the format makes it too hard to proof read.
Also, i know of one person whos life was made worse by the meds, and a huge number of kids whos lives were made worse by parents who refused to get them for them.
it is real but is still very difficult to explain. I would not have chosen to explain it the way it was explained above but even doing it differently doesn’t guarantee someone reading it online in 2 dimensions will understand it. Still that doesn’t change the effectiveness. It works when used by those who can benefit. Just like sensory therapy is hard to explain to many, and not even parents who live it can explain it well, but it is real and it works for kids with sensory issues. When parents insist on treating ADHD with SI treatment it won’t work, but not because it isn’t real or genuine.
I know there is an inyan about not telling anyone about the pregnancy in the first trimester because there is still a high possibility of miscarriage ch”v but I don’t know the source. I would tell my parents after that first trimester but didn’t tell anyone else until the 6th or so. We definitely didn’t tell any due dates because of what Midwest mentioned above, but not because people around me would worry, more because they became really irritating. Every time I made a call to family I would hear, “oh, I thought maybe you were calling from the hospital”, “gosh are you still waiting?”. Patience is sparce in those last days (weeks) so the barrage drove me nuts.
avi – you ask but then assume. We absolutely did our due diligence, which is why I knew the prices. We didn’t end up needed an extra suitcase nor were they overweight. Although I have never heard of an issue previously, they decided her carryon was too heavy. They wanted her to take everything out and we were able to move it to her suitcase but that brought it to about 3 or 4 pounds overweight. they insisted we then pay an “overweight fee” or pay for another suitcase. I don’t find them to be so inflexible when it isn’t seminary girls or yeshiva bachurim.
what area of the globe would you like to know about?
Avi – in regard to the luggage, by 7lbs overweight I am assuming he meant an additional seven pounds beyond the limit, not 7 total. And in American airports they talk pounds. I can tell you he is probably right about that story because I had the same thing happen to my daughter. we were told an extra suitcase would be $125. When her luggage was found to be 10 lbs over the limit they told us it would cost us $250 . I told them I am not paying $250 and that if I have to pay anything I will pay $125 and get an extra suitcase. They insisted that it would cost me $250 either way, and went on to insist that the agent must have been looking at a domestic screen or some shopping site because its $250. they would not let her take that luggage until we stuffed it into an additional suitcase and paid $250 in cash – as they told us they don’t take credit cards either.
Absolutely yes to both! i don’t like boiled meat so i used to make sure the meat stayed above the waterline but searing it first, especially with seasonings tastes so much better in my family’s opinion
wtp and mammele – I had similar thoughts. I think we all took the bait. and I have nothing to support this but I always thought he was closer to post seminary age than a post seminary parent.
“It doesn’t work like that. You really have no clue.”
Agreed. I was going to say that as well. And considering how many people he is painting incorrectly with that broad brush he should tread more carefully.Good doctors are careful not to know what type of insurance the patient has so that they do not act with bias. The is the practice most of my practitioners have used, some have gone out of their way to do so.
I don’t seem to have it but I sure am curious
“I will stop responding to your ridiculous baseless accusations towards me in your comments. You have demonstrated a propensity to put words into my mouth, then challenge them with the implied accusations of my being anti-halacha.”
“So your efforts to paint me on the wrong side of halacha are both dishonest as well as foolish.”
Hey, this sounds oddly familiar.
Joseph -We should not be advocating for sheker or g’naivas daas. I assume you were joking perhaps?
” Lets work towards that and worry any possible remaining girls later”
I’m in