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Ubiq – i completely agree. When there are threads that bore me or are pointless i just don’t open them. And if they could’ve interested me but became pointless, i just try to perk up a different thread. Why anyone needs to tell other people to stop is beyond me as well. Provided it isnt hurting anyone, of course.
dooms, your blind faith in fake research reminds me of those global warming people.
there are so many good recipes. Are you starting with plain raw chicken cut ups or whole?
“But Vaccine Court pays for “encephalopathy” so that is the diagnosis the Parents of Autistic Children use.
exactly. autism used to get funding so people MISlabeled children autistic to get them funding. Now they are saying they have encephalopathy to get funding. People are LYING to get funding. Get it? You are proving yourself wrong and don’t even know it!
There is No physical marker for Autism – it is diagnosed based on a set of behaviors.
again, yes that was MY point, not yours. People are assuming every kid with a blank stare is autistic until they find something else to name them instead. Dig yourself in deeper perhaps.
So you don’t know what you’re talking about.”
Well, not only do I seem to display a heck of a lot more knowledge than you about autism, research studies, neurology and encephalitis, you seem to have a very large group of intelligent people here who believe exactly that about you.
Like I said before, I am sorry for your loss. You obviously lost someone very close to you to vaccine injury or you would not be in such a critical state of denial. Normal, stable, balanced people don’t scream liar at people for weeks on end in leu of intelligent conversation. It’s just a fact. And I bet 2cents could pull up an online study to prove it.
dooms – I have no doubt the poor parents are intelligent and educated enough to know that their kids don’t have autism. I was asking about you!
dooms – I sure hope you are not thinking that a child in a vegetative state is autistic.
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Don’t do that. Don’t start making crazy non comparisons to make a point. On NO level is learning torah on any night equal to making a brocha on treif food!
nobody said it was a stirah. We said you need to do mitzvos for Hashem’s sake because He said so, and that act will bring moshiach. You said we need to bring mitzvos to bring moshiach. It is not our job to bring moshiach, it is our job to wait for moshiach. We do Hashem’s will, and HE will bring Moshiach.
” Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically. .. more than 2,100 families have received compensation for vaccine injuries…And more than half of those awards are for
brain injuries.”
doomsday you are too funny! It seems you don’t realize that you are bringing proofs against yourself!It has become very obvious that you do not understand autism if you think it is related to brain swelling or brain damage. Besides showing your sheer ignorance of medicine, anatomy and neurology you won’t stop offending people who care for people with autism. You are more destructive than any vaccine and don’t really give a darn about autism or the people suffering thru it.
YR – thank you soo much for responding! Firstly, it is absolutely true where i live. No exaggerating. I am happy to hear you dont believe it to be the case elsewhere. Seconsly, i would never say ch”v that they wouldnt daven for us, i meant that they do not come to any events ever. Not even a gathering for tehillim (i don’t mean they don’t want to daven dor people in our community, i mean there is no crossover)
There are certainly no lubavitchers in our schools, and rarely in our minyanim. When my neighbor had a shalom zachur i didnt even know, and yet we all share that type of news with each other.
Here’s an even odder thing. A family moved here from a tiny, barely existent city (that time i was exaggerating). The kids were excited to have frum neighbors and i was excited to have girls dressed bitzniut move in. My daughter often played there. One day there was some conversation that led to a tgird girl asking if they were mashichist (was a curious question, these girls dont really know any of the details) and the girl answered yes, but we were hoping not to bring that up. Since that day she has not invited my daughter in to her house, and she claims to be busy when asked to play. There was no insult due to the conversation (that has already been clarified) but she used to be the only lubavitcher who joined our kids games, now she just waves and passes by.Chossid – “Something making me think that you teach your kids to stay away from Lubavitche…..”
Grow upSechel- I don’t know what to tell you. This is how it is where I live and I know it’s not just my neighborhood (I am not in New York area). Nobody here tells their kids to stay away from the Lubavitchers, they don’t have to, the Lubavitchers won’t play with us. I work with an organization that distributes food to many many Lubavitch families in the community and there are two Lubavitch couples who volunteer because, in their words, they know we service a lot of people in their community and they know that their community does not donate or support our non-Chabad organization, and they think it’s awful.[sidepoint- I have never understood why they are totally insular and self sufficient in terms of everything they do or need (schools, Shuls, bikur Cholim, social halls), but rely on the litvish communities for tomchei shabbos and tzeduka services]
Thank you for responding, tho my question still stands. Unless it’s not seen in other places…
Syog: Every time you call autism ‘brain damage’, I wish I knew where you lived so I could slap you.
Are you saying you don’t consider Autism to be a Disability?
Huh?
If I Claim that a bagel isn’t a vegetable am I saying I don’t consider it food?Doomsday –
can I just get one little point across to you?Every time you call autism ‘brain damage’, I wish I knew where you lived so I could slap you. You are so clueless to reality that you have made quite the fool of yourself.
I just wonder if you are this ‘brain damaged’ in real life too.
yeshivishrockstar – It just occurred to me that you might be able (willing) to answer one of the simpler questions I had way back when CS first showed up that nobody will answer. I had commented on how segregated the lubavitchers are from the rest of us, even refraining from playing together on the block. They do not know the names of our schools or rabbeim, they do not attend our gatherings, even just emergency tehillim sessions. They are the only frum people in our community who segregate themselves, literally, from their neighbors . I am now very clear as to why they need to do it for preservation of their “teachings”, but my question is very simply – Are the kids taught outright to stay away from us and our kids or is it just implied somehow?
I have asked this question to lubavitch friends and on this site and have never received a response of any kind.
Blah blah blah yada yada yada
YawnDo you ever actually answer questions?
“But of course, if they aren’t Lubavitch, their Minhag doesn’t bother anyone…”
I wrote this 10 days ago, and it seems to just prove what I said about non Lubavitch minhagim not bothering anyone, it was barely noticed.”Oh chill! You have to stop jumping down people’s throats and calling them anti Chabad based on your assumptions! There are at least two reasons that I can think of for “not noticing” your comment and I’m not even a part of the halachic discussion.
1) the minhag of others who do this WAS addressed at least twice
2) THAT WASN’T WHAT THE TAYNA WAS ABOUT!! It was stated over and over (and over, but maybe you don’t bother noticing valid non Chabad points) that the problem was the hindsight heter for an issur. Maybe people get tired of having valid responses ignored (yes, you have done that as well) and taynas creatively reworded so they just didn’t bother responding this time.
You cant use “anti Chabad” as your excuse to not being patient, attentive or willing.
sheesh.Horrified- were do you come off making such a nasty comment? You disagree with someone’s hashgofos so you think they’re fair game? Considering one of your only 2 threads ever is asking people to be dan lkaf zchus I would say you really are out of line.
Chossid – I’m really sorry, I know you are sincere but you can’t answer peoples questions saying, “I know this is how it is because it has to be how it is because it wouldn’t be otherwise. And besides lots of people said so”
I will not argue the hair, nor anymore of these points because your responses indicate that you don’t really know the answer but you won’t accept anything other than you wish it was and want it to be. I’m seeing a lot of that here and it doesn’t leave room for response.Non-political-you are correct that things were different then. My mother also did not cover her hair at first but im lost on your oint. I am extremely grateful for everything we have, and i was not judging anyone. You see im the one who is willing to accept less than perfection in leaders. Im the one who lauds their status despite iweaknesses. I just dont understand nor can i condone whitewashing and outright fabrication of facts to make people into something they aren’t. Especially when their greatness lies in their humanity.
” (Although there are stories where people asked for promises from various contemporary Gedolim / Rebbes and were told if you want a promise, not just a Brocha, you can only find that by lubavitch. Don’t know if this is helpful because I don’t know by heart where to find it amongst the thousands of others, I just remember the story itself. But as it’s relevant I thought to mention.)”
no, not real helpful since I highly doubt it ever happened. Sorry.
A bit off the current topic – – I had posted this earlier but don’t see it anywhere so it must not have gone thru.
Some of the things that a few posters have said made me wonder about something –
It has been mentioned that there are many stories about miracles the rebbe did for people from all walks of life thru advice and brochos. I myself know individuals who have had such experiences when visiting the rebbe, both lubavitchers and non. I don’t think anyone refutes those claims. My question is, tho, are you aware that there are many many others who have done, and still do the same? Most (if not all) of the gedolei Hador, including Rav Chaim Kanievsky to this day have done the same thru advice and brachos etc. I even know much “smaller” people (unknown people who are huge talmidei chachamim and serve kehillow or yeshivos but are not widely known) who do so even today.This seems to have been brought by CS and chossid as “proofs” of the rebbes omniscience, so it makes me wonder if you/they are aware that this is something that we find across many many gedolim and tzaddikim of past and present.
“I can say without doubt, that I am far more respectful of “your” Gedolim than many here are of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Z”ya.“
I can say without a doubt that if our Gedolim considered themselves Moshiach (ch”v) we wouldn’t respect them either. It seems you aren’t understanding that connection.
There are 3 people I can think of who were very respected and wrote sforim and/or books and gave lectures and were held in high regard. When they suddenly made claims that did not shtim with Hashkafa or proper halacha, those that respected them immediately turned their backs. We practice what we preach and have valid tainas on those who would consider doing differently
And although I don’t know why I should bother explaining , I added the phrase “live for the kehilla” because that was a third catagory I was trying to include of people who are not Gedolim or rabbeim but are just that.
Sarcastic? I’m not sarcastic I’m floored! I’m baffled, puzzled and frankly I can’t even fathom such a scenario.But I <em>am</em> sick of you applying bad intentions to myself and others, which is why I would hardly think of you as respectful and why I try not to address you.
Thank you for your answers. I think those are among the first straight answers I’ve received here
So now I’m confused… neither of your answers state that she did in fact cover her hair. Does that mean she didn’t? Or that you don’t know? And what do you mean that hardly anyone saw her? Wasn’t their house open with constant streams of people as is the case with Gedolim, great rabbeim and people who live for the kehilla? Didn’t they have hundreds of shabbos guests? Didn’t the females who where desperate for Brachos and chizuk find a place at her door?
I ask because this is all I know about any and every great tzaddik in litvish and Chassidik circles, past and present, so I always assumed it was the same by the Lubavitche rebbe and Rebbetzin.
Yes, it does say online that vaccine causes autism, it also says online that Chanukah is the 25th of kislev. If something isn’t true there needs to be a better reason than it being online.
Side point, I don’t acknowledge failed messiah let alone consider it a source for anything. Also, I don’t know if the Rebbetzin covered her hair or not but I looked for those online pictures you mentioned and there is no question it is not a sheital. These pictures are old, none are recent, but they are definitely her hair.Chossid- none of us are denying anything from our own personal shittos. That’s the point.
Username- two points: you claim that you are respectful of my Gedolim but I am not of yours. You are alone in that respect.
Second, I said nothing about the Baal Hatanya, I commented on the leap that his words apply to your rebbe.There seems to be a lot of leaping here, tho usually not by you. Comments such as (just an illustration)” the Tanya says x so clearly the rebbe was x” or knowing a gadol spoke to your rebbe and stating, “so you see the gadol held of the rebbe”. This was my complaint, that a definition of a term becomes proof that your rebbe qualifies. And then when I don’t accept it as a proof, you go on about me disagreeing with the Tanya. Please read more carefully, or perhaps don’t assume my words.
I hear a lot about our alleged disrespect of your rebbe. As has been explained many times, if you listen carefully to what we know to be problematic in his words, you should be praising us for defending torah. Regardless of whether or not you agree with our conclusion, you have to accept that since it is our conclusion per Da’as Torah, our response is exactly what it should be.
“I hope you never say that Donald trump directs the affairs of America because according to you, it’s avoda zara.”
You seem to be grasping at straws
“Listen chossid unlike you who are still in the walls of Yeshiva, im in the Olam hazeh hagashmi, where I need to make life altering decisions many times and really do need urgent anders on a regular basis.”
k-cup, even more than the irony I find it highly unsettling that someone can need to make life altering decisions requiring urgent answers and they don’t talk to a live rav. That they are willing to depend on their own interpretation of selected passages hardly sounds responsible in “life altering ” situations.
” “Tznius and yiras shomayim are things that are all around and permeate every aspect of our lives…” Yes, yes, yes. BUT you can’t have kedusha IF you don’t have tznius in clothes.”
Okay, so here’s the problem. You may not understand this but Hashem doesn’t share his “books” with us. We don’t know which humans have sinned, we don’t know which have not. How you can even have the chutzpah to think you can determine your rebbes cheshbon in shamayim by looking at him and listening to stories is a huge disrespect to Hashem Who ALONE knows the inner thoughts of us all. Period.
Our gedolim and rabbeim are HOLY yidden, not because we think they are god, super human, or free of sin (something we would have NO way of knowing), but because they surround themselves in kedusha. Their yeshivos, offices, kehillas, speech, approach to others is filled with kedusha. And their homes are surrounded by and filled with kedusha thanks to the akeres habayis who is ALWAYS the personification of tznius is behavior and dress.
Did you ever meet the wives of our gedolim, did you ever read stories about them or talk to people who knew them? These women, the akeres habayis of our gedolim made sure their husbands were surrounded by kedusha. Which, as you see in the quote above above, is the souce of yiras shomayim and cannot be found where there is a lack of tznius.
“I”M STILL INTERESTED TO HEAR IN WHAT WAY CHABAD CHASSIDIM RESPECT THEIR REBBE MORE THEN OTHER YIDDEN RESPECT THEIR RABBONIM. ”
“A Beinoni is someone who is in such control of himself that he never sinned and won’t sin, but has to continue fighting the Yezter Hara the whole time.”Seriously? That is the “proof” that we dont respect our tzaddikim and gedolim!? Because we are honest about who they are?! Did you know paroah told the mitzrim he didnt go to the bathroom and they believed that, does that mean they had even more respect for their leader?
Apy- I thought I heard you say that you can’t imagine someone having a true emergency and being hesitant to call hatzolo and I was agreeing with you 100%. I added that there are people who will argue that point, but I personally believe they are not able to differentiate between emergencies (which people won’t hesitate calling for despite fees) and things people consider true emergencies but aren’t actually so, in which case they MIGHT hem and haw.
I absolutely do not think hatzolo has any bad intent nor would they try to reduce calls through this means. I just don’t think there are any scenarios of a true emergency where someone would hesitate.
Regarding my vote, I hadn’t cast one.
Mammale- thank you! I actually had considered calling you and golfer to weigh in on this.
Regarding the whip lashing…I don’t know. I would agree with you if it was just this comment but there have been too many degrading references to our Gedolim, learning, kehillos, Yiras shamayim, kavod HaTorah…you get the idea. But have no fear, she usually responds to these responses to her put downs with an “lol” , and a brush off about how I seem to misread everything she clearly states because how can someone without her level of hiskashrus really understand anything at all.
It’s a pelaApy- I’m not following. In the case of a TRUE emergency, Chas vshalom, someone would refrain from calling for help because of a copay or deductible? I’m trying to picture situation where Chas vshalom, someone’s having a heart attack lo aleinu, and in response to “someone call hatzalah” the person gasps, “no, i didn’t meet my deductible”.
You are exactly right, in a TRUE emergency they wouldn’t. But I don’t think people discussing the theoretical side of this are able to discern the difference between an emergency, and an event warranting a call to hatzola.
Yes Sechel. That IS what you said, and what you wish she said. But she didn’t say that. If she had, I wouldn’t have bothered commenting.
You accuse me often of twisting words, well I have to say I see a plethora of ,”s/he didn’t mean that”, “can’t you read? nobody said that”, “why is everyone jumping on nothing” etc.
Nothing we ever point out actually exists in your mind (plural your). If we have a good point against your rebbe we are being disrespectful to your rebbe and not deserving of an answer (forget that your rebbe is disrespectful to halacha), and if we have a good point about the ‘followers’/minhagim/manhigim they get brushed aside as not even worth addressing.
Interesting tactic (prepare for the bellowing/insults, the third method of dealing with pointing things out)
SH – with all de respect (and I do mean that), you are either missing the point or avoiding it. I hear your point and it isn’t a bad one. My objection was, I thought obviously so, the first half. If she had respect for others, and wasn’t so full of herself and her ways, she would have written:
“In chassidish non lubavitch society, dressing tznius is an indication of sensitivity to kedusha and yiras shomayim, with the addition of communal pressure. ”What she in fact said, and I am assuming you honestly missed it, was that the non lubavitch chassidish are dressing tznius because of communal pressure, not kedusha or yiras shomayim. What kind of stupid comment is that? How does she say things like that and wonder why people are offended. Your point was a good one and adding that the pressure CAN take away from the mitzvah is right on. Her comment is just more indicative of her illness.
“ In chassidish non lubavitch society, dressing tznius is not necessarily an indication of sensitivity to kedusha and yiras shomayim, but an indication of communal pressure. ”
How do you say things like that with a straight face?
And while they don’t respect them just as much as we respect the Rebbe (as you can see from the past 23 pages), they get pretty close
This reminds me of that joke where the hillbilly says, “nobody loves their mother as much as I do, after all, I married her”
Twist much? Of course the words aren’t used, he made up the title. The title was made up. Thats what Rso said several times.
“But to ask if we think that way and then get all riled up and annoyed any time its mentioned as a response to a query, without providing a serious rebuttal of why WE shouldn’t, is silly”
He did provide a serious rebuttal. Mire than once. Nameky that the title doesnt exist. He made it up !
Why do you pretend everything you dont like didn’t happen?“You’re dealing here with Yeshivish/Chassidish posters. These are people who really, really respect their Gedolim. And rightfully so. And while they don’t respect them just as much as we respect the Rebbe (as you can see from the past 23 pages), they get pretty close [1]”
Are you nuts? What kind of ignorance is that? You have the audacity to diminish our respect of gedolim? You seem to be clueless to the understanding that what you have done to the rebbes name and torah has probably caused him endless suffering in the next world, and continues to do so as you inch closer and closer to a”z in his name!
Bishtei-He wasn’t serious, he was being very sarcastic. My assumption is that it is on the stupidity of needing to make a law of this in the first place, or possibly tangos excitement.
Takes2- that was changed way back. You seem to be a few years behind the times
I am someone who is all for giving above and beyond, but i do think that was a lot to ask. Things happen and two sifrei torah are a lot to gamble with